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Old 24th June 2019, 11:49 AM   #3521
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Originally Posted by Axxman300 View Post
NASA is launching a Space-X tonight, 11:30 EST. You can watch it here:

https://www.nasa.gov/nasalive
Space-X is launching a Falcon Heavy which includes payloads for the USAF, NASA, NOAA, the Planetary Society, and others.

It isn't a NASA launch. NASA is covering the launch because they have a payload on-board.

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Old 24th June 2019, 12:20 PM   #3522
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And the mission is planned to relight the Merlin Vacuum engine several times. Four separate burns, IIRC. In a vacuum!
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Old 24th June 2019, 12:30 PM   #3523
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
And the mission is planned to relight the Merlin Vacuum engine several times. Four separate burns, IIRC. In a vacuum!
Merlin Vacuum engine.




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Old 24th June 2019, 02:34 PM   #3524
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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
Weenie, weedy and weaky, if I recall correctly.

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Old 24th June 2019, 06:08 PM   #3525
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Originally Posted by jadebox View Post
Space-X is launching a Falcon Heavy which includes payloads for the USAF, NASA, NOAA, the Planetary Society, and others.
And the ashes from the remains of 152 people.

https://www.newsweek.com/falcon-heav...-space-1445552
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Old 24th June 2019, 08:51 PM   #3526
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It's been delayed for about three hours. Obviously GumDisease is correct.
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Old 24th June 2019, 08:56 PM   #3527
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
It's been delayed for about three hours. Obviously GumDisease is correct.
Ouch!
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Old 24th June 2019, 10:15 PM   #3528
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Originally Posted by jadebox View Post
And the ashes from the remains of 152 people.
It is an entirely new option that we have these days, to become space junk when we die, and endanger the lives of astronauts and workings of satellites.
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Originally Posted by steenkh View Post
It is an entirely new option that we have these days, to become space junk when we die, and endanger the lives of astronauts and workings of satellites.

I’m a big fan of the “don’t embalm me, toss me in a cheap pine box and call it a day” process. Composting is an attractive option now that it’s becoming available.
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Old 25th June 2019, 04:44 AM   #3530
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Originally Posted by steenkh View Post
It is an entirely new option that we have these days, to become space junk when we die, and endanger the lives of astronauts and workings of satellites.
"Celestis missions are carefully designed to ensure that no orbital debris or adverse environmental effects occur in space or on planet Earth. Celestis flight capsules are attached permanently to a rocket stage or spacecraft that is already destined to fly into space. We are a “secondary payload.” Celestis capsules are never “released” into the space environment and cannot cause orbital or other debris. Earth orbital missions are designed to re-enter the planet’s atmosphere with the rocket stage or spacecraft and will be consumed entirely upon re-entry, blazing like a shooting star in final tribute."

-- https://www.celestis.com/about/legal...cal-framework/
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Old 25th June 2019, 05:07 AM   #3531
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Originally Posted by jadebox View Post
"Celestis missions are carefully designed to ensure that no orbital debris or adverse environmental effects occur in space or on planet Earth. Celestis flight capsules are attached permanently to a rocket stage or spacecraft that is already destined to fly into space. We are a “secondary payload.” Celestis capsules are never “released” into the space environment and cannot cause orbital or other debris. Earth orbital missions are designed to re-enter the planet’s atmosphere with the rocket stage or spacecraft and will be consumed entirely upon re-entry, blazing like a shooting star in final tribute."

-- https://www.celestis.com/about/legal...cal-framework/
So you're not shot into orbit but become a briefly blazing falling star.

In the daytime.

Meaning your brief bright light is swallowed up by sunlight, going unnoticed and unobserved by anyone. It makes for a nihilistic metaphor for human life itself, doesn't it?
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Old 25th June 2019, 05:26 AM   #3532
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
I’m a big fan of the “don’t embalm me, toss me in a cheap pine box and call it a day” process. Composting is an attractive option now that it’s becoming available.
Why waste the pine? Dig a hole and dump you in and 10,000 years from now a archaeologist will note your non-ceremonial burial but label it as religious anyway.
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
I’m a big fan of the “don’t embalm me, toss me in a cheap pine box and call it a day” process. Composting is an attractive option now that it’s becoming available.
When the Union Pacific "Big Boy" 4014 came to town, they tossed in the ashes of a guy from England whose final wish was to be mingled with the firebox ashes of the 4014. Whatever, um, toots your whistle, I guess.
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Old 25th June 2019, 06:04 AM   #3534
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Why waste the pine? Dig a hole and dump you in and 10,000 years from now a archaeologist will note your non-ceremonial burial but label it as religious anyway.
Damn it, now I'm contemplating inexpensive ways to troll any archaeologist who digs up my bones.

"He was buried with a riddle carved on a stone tablet."

"What does it say?"

Quote:
Great wisdom and treasure will be bestowed upon the one who answers my riddle and understands its meaning.
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List the antonyms of these words:
  1. Always
  2. Coming
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Old 25th June 2019, 07:32 AM   #3535
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
So you're not shot into orbit but become a briefly blazing falling star.

In the daytime.

Meaning your brief bright light is swallowed up by sunlight, going unnoticed and unobserved by anyone. It makes for a nihilistic metaphor for human life itself, doesn't it?
The second stage does orbit for a while before it comes back down. Whether it comes down in daylight I can't say, but I see no reason to assume that. But it probably does come down in the middle of the ocean somewhere that it won't be seen.
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Old 25th June 2019, 07:53 AM   #3536
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On this past Friday's episode of "Savage Builds", Adam Savage attempted to resolve the engineering problems that crippled the Panjandrum during World War II. When he recruited amateur rocketry experts and started talking about the rockets mounted on the machine, I couldn't help but think "It's a good thing they weren't trying to use it in space."
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Old 25th June 2019, 09:04 AM   #3537
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
Damn it, now I'm contemplating inexpensive ways to troll any archaeologist who digs up my bones.

"He was buried with a riddle carved on a stone tablet."

"What does it say?"



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Old 25th June 2019, 01:21 PM   #3538
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
Damn it, now I'm contemplating inexpensive ways to troll any archaeologist who digs up my bones.

"He was buried with a riddle carved on a stone tablet."

"What does it say?"
I already plan to tell the orderlies in whatever old folks home or hospice I end up in about this treasure worth hundreds of millions, and ask one of them to take care of my map.
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Old 25th June 2019, 01:26 PM   #3539
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I think he's found a better home over on FES.
Someone misspelled FFS.
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Originally Posted by jadebox View Post
"Celestis missions are carefully designed to ensure that no orbital debris or adverse environmental effects occur in space or on planet Earth. Celestis flight capsules are attached permanently to a rocket stage or spacecraft that is already destined to fly into space. We are a “secondary payload.” Celestis capsules are never “released” into the space environment and cannot cause orbital or other debris. Earth orbital missions are designed to re-enter the planet’s atmosphere with the rocket stage or spacecraft and will be consumed entirely upon re-entry, blazing like a shooting star in final tribute."



-- https://www.celestis.com/about/legal...cal-framework/

That is splendid. I thought it was like the first proposals that I remember from years ago, where I believe the idea was that you would stay out with the stars for eternity.
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I think he's found a better home over on FES.
...
Ouch - my brain hurts at the stupidity there. I do not know how the few posters trying to explain real physics and the real world stand it.

A "Tatumsid" touting the same deluded videos that GV ignorantly touted and adding the insane lying video of a rocket exploding in the atmosphere being in space.
Tatumsid has some different gibberish, e.g. "back-pressure like drag". But GV's pressure gradient force delusion also appears - "No physicist or engineer can prove an equal and opposite force from gas movement due to pressure gradient force". No physicist or engineer will try to show this because they know that that is not what Newton's third law says ! The "equal and opposite force" is between pairs of gas particles.

The title of that Flat Earth Society thread shows how deluded the thread is: "Rockets cannot propel in space. Therefore no globe picture could have been taken".
Rockets do not "propel in space" - they are in orbit ! Even this thread about the "Rockets cannot propel in the vacuum of space" delusions does not stop rockets from getting into orbit. Yuri Gagarin saw the curvature of the Earth back on 12 April 1961. 06:18 UT (T+ 676 s) Gagarin reported, "The craft is operating normally. I can see Earth in the view port of the Vzor. Everything is proceeding as planned".

A delusion of "actors" when astronauts have died.

The usual "NASA" delusion when rocket science was well established before NASA even existed.
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Ouch - my brain hurts at the stupidity there.

<respectful snip>

A delusion of "actors" when astronauts have died.

The usual "NASA" delusion when rocket science was well established before NASA even existed.
I wonder what proportion of posters on there are poes ...
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Last night, as I watched Falcon Heavy lift off, I smiled as I thought about Gingervytes and his preposterous claim that "rockets cannot work in a vacuum because there is no air for the exhaust to push against".

Again, I smiled, even more broadly, when the side boosters separated, and when the second stage engine lit up to propel the payloads into orbit, and as the fairings fell away to come back to the ocean for recovery. I enjoyed watching as the side boosters came back to The Cape for a specular tandem night landing at LZ1 & LZ2, and although I understand how difficult it is to land the centre core, I was still a little disappointed that it didn't happen this time.

I laughed out loud when I saw the second stage engine shut down and then relight not once, not twice, but three times, as it deployed a whole raft of cubesats and experiments into different orbits.

After it was all over, I felt sad, but not for myself. I was sad for all the delusional people like Gingervytes, whose worldview is so completely ******-up, that they may never know the thrill or the excitement of enjoying the live viewing of ground-breaking advances in space science that are taking place right before their blind eyes.
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Oddly enough, I was thinking much the same thing from a different angle, as I was reading a blog entry about some of the greatest photographs ever made. One mentioned was the seemingly unspectacular Hubble Deep Space image here. It looks of course just like a bunch of stars in the sky until you realize what's shown. If you held a pair of needles at arm's length, the field of view of this picture would be about the size of the point where they cross. Within this tiny field of view, what you see are approximately ten thousand galaxies, each of them containing millions of stars, at distances of 7 and a half to 10 and a half billion light years from here. Just this tiny little slice of the universe.

The Gingervytes' of this world seem to think the universe so puny you could bounce off its edges at the end of a long day trip. A cosmic flapjack with lights on the ceiling. What a lot they miss.
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Last night, as I watched Falcon Heavy lift off, I smiled as I thought about Gingervytes and his preposterous claim that "rockets cannot work in a vacuum because there is no air for the exhaust to push against".

Again, I smiled, even more broadly, when the side boosters separated, and when the second stage engine lit up to propel the payloads into orbit, and as the fairings fell away to come back to the ocean for recovery. I enjoyed watching as the side boosters came back to The Cape for a specular tandem night landing at LZ1 & LZ2, and although I understand how difficult it is to land the centre core, I was still a little disappointed that it didn't happen this time.

I laughed out loud when I saw the second stage engine shut down and then relight not once, not twice, but three times, as it deployed a whole raft of cubesats and experiments into different orbits.

After it was all over, I felt sad, but not for myself. I was sad for all the delusional people like Gingervytes, whose worldview is so completely ******-up, that they may never know the thrill or the excitement of enjoying the live viewing of ground-breaking advances in space science that are taking place right before their blind eyes.
That's the things woo merchants like Gingevytes ignore, courtesy of the new commercial launchers and the cubesat and nanosats the number of people involved in spaceflight is growing exponentially. Countries that could only dream of getting into space are building launchers and mounting missions and yet Gingevytes would have us believe these people are part of some vast conspiracy to do, something and all because rocket science is just too hard for him...
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Space-X is launching a Falcon Heavy which includes payloads for the USAF, NASA, NOAA, the Planetary Society, and others.

It isn't a NASA launch. NASA is covering the launch because they have a payload on-board.

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Yea they’re covering something alright
Yes the lunch, including ignition of the second stage above a 100 miles.
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Old 28th June 2019, 02:28 PM   #3548
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Yes the lunch, including ignition of the second stage above a 100 miles.
Repeatedly, at that.
Conspiracy theorists do indeed live in a sad, sad world.
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Yes the lunch, including ignition of the second stage above a 100 miles.
Breakfast!
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Lunch!
..... launch (click)
Launch? No!!!
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Yea they’re covering something alright
What exactly is it, in your weird world view,that you think they are covering?

Do tell.
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Yea they’re covering something alright
Quiet. Grown-ups are talking.
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Yea they’re covering something alright
No proof yet of rockets being unable to work in a vacuum.
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Yea they’re covering something alright
Back for another coat of Shellac™, eh?!
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I know it's silly even to think about this stuff, but I was reflecting on GV's theory that rockets work in atmosphere because they push off the atmosphere. But isn't air compressible? I mean, you can't get much thrust with air as anyone who has ever had to bleed brakes would know. And then, when you think about it, isn't there just as much atmosphere in front of the rocket as there is behind it? If the atmosphere is hard enough for the rocket's exhaust to push against, why is it not hard enough for the front of the rocket to push against too? I don't understand how, under GV's theory, rockets can ever work anywhere. If a rocket were made with a blunt nose of equal area to the outlet, wouldn't it just sit there?
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Old 28th June 2019, 05:22 PM   #3556
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Originally Posted by BowlOfRed View Post
Breakfast!
..... breakfast (click)
Lunch!
..... launch (click)
Launch? No!!!
My bad I forgot the a.
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Old 28th June 2019, 05:28 PM   #3557
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For SpaceX to fake a launch would take an impossible effort of gargantuan proportions that would have almost no chance of not being exposed.

1. The launch is visible for miles all up and down the Florida coast and well inland, so everyone living within visual range in the area would have to be "in on it". That is a few million people

2. Those at The Cape can, with their own eyes, see the launch; they can see the rocket rise, see the booster(s) detach (which happens in space), and can see the booster(s) return, re-enter the atmosphere and land, and can see the second stage engine ignite.

3. Everyone in 2 above, can also follow the live TV transmissions that are broadcasting exactly what they are looking at themselves.

Faking all this would be impossible.
Faking it 75 times without ever slipping up, is less likely than utterly impossible... and this is just SpaceX

Then you have ULA, Orbital ATK and Pegasus..the would have to be faked too, and that just the USA

Then you have numerous other countries and organizations that have government or private launchers currently launching rockets and at combined cadences one one every few days -

Russia (Baikonur, Roscosmos)
China (Jiuquan, Longmarch)
India (Sriharikota, SLV)
Europe (Kourou, Ariane)
New Zealand (Rocketlabs, Electron),
Japan (Tanegashima, HIIA)

If space is fake, and rockets don't work in a vacuum and its all a big conspiracy, then everyone in the world is "in on it", except the conspiracy theorists
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Old 28th June 2019, 06:05 PM   #3558
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Originally Posted by halleyscomet View Post
Damn it, now I'm contemplating inexpensive ways to troll any archaeologist who digs up my bones.
Having been one I've been contemplating that for some time now.
Still havn't come up with a killer idea yet
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Old 28th June 2019, 06:19 PM   #3559
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
For SpaceX to fake a launch would take an impossible effort of gargantuan proportions that would have almost no chance of not being exposed.

1. The launch is visible for miles all up and down the Florida coast and well inland, so everyone living within visual range in the area would have to be "in on it". That is a few million people

2. Those at The Cape can, with their own eyes, see the launch; they can see the rocket rise, see the booster(s) detach (which happens in space), and can see the booster(s) return, re-enter the atmosphere and land, and can see the second stage engine ignite.

3. Everyone in 2 above, can also follow the live TV transmissions that are broadcasting exactly what they are looking at themselves.

Faking all this would be impossible.
Faking it 75 times without ever slipping up, is less likely than utterly impossible... and this is just SpaceX

Then you have ULA, Orbital ATK and Pegasus..the would have to be faked too, and that just the USA

Then you have numerous other countries and organizations that have government or private launchers currently launching rockets and at combined cadences one one every few days -

Russia (Baikonur, Roscosmos)
China (Jiuquan, Longmarch)
India (Sriharikota, SLV)
Europe (Kourou, Ariane)
New Zealand (Rocketlabs, Electron),
Japan (Tanegashima, HIIA)

If space is fake, and rockets don't work in a vacuum and its all a big conspiracy, then everyone in the world is "in on it", except the conspiracy theorists
Channeling GV, you can see it tilt over after liftoff. If it was really going to space it would go straight up, but it has to avoid the firmament/dome. Seriously, he's said that repeatedly.
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Old 28th June 2019, 06:42 PM   #3560
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Originally Posted by bknight View Post
My bad I forgot the a.
You had me going there. I really thought SpaceX was going to give out a free lunch!


Now I wonder if there ever was such a thing!
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