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Old 28th October 2019, 03:41 PM   #481
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Fred me ‘ol mate, jonesdave116 bangs on about “no solar wind reading the surface” so no electrochemistry.

We have quite a potential difference in play at 67P, cheers J Deca, and we have sheds load of “ingredients” in a plasma solution.

https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/abs/2019/10/aa34666-18/aa34666-18.html

So.....ummmm

No?

Oh you mob are quite happy to postulate, from another postulate on the postulate that comets are left overs.



Anywho...
Why did you quote that? It has nothing whatsoever to do with electric woo. Stop quoting random stuff that has nothing to do with your woo.
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Old 28th October 2019, 04:04 PM   #482
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Exclamation The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88

The list of thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 with yet more insanity is getting too big for a single post yet again ! So time to condense it again.
The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

The usual insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. already addressed over the last 10 years.
The insane insults of the deceased Michael Francis A'Hearn by Sol88 linking him with demented dogma, etc.
Sol88's lies about the demented SAFIRE experiment about the Sun and a scientific experiment about the solar wind and Parker spiral
Yet more propaganda from the Thunderbolts cult on the insane SAFIRE project.
That conversation with Monty exposed that the already insane SAFIRE project is even more insane than collapsing the Sun to a white dwarf
Plasma has been explained to Sol88 many times over the last 10 or more years but he is too interested in drinking his cult's poison to understand that plasma is a partially ionized gas that is quasi-neutral. !
Sol88's totally insane lie repeated over many years that we have no mainstream model of comets when he cites papers on the mainstream model !
Sol88's totally insane lie that "The nucleus is thus a highly porous very dusty body with very little ice." is Sol88's insanity of comets being actual rock !
Sol88's utterly insane lie for over 4 years that MUPUS hammered into actual rock.
Sol88's persistent insanity of not understanding the difference between the surface of a comet nucleus and its interior.

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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insanity of confirming Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

ETA: A long weekend here and a spate of Sol88's persistent insanity means that I will not address every one of his recent posts. Readers of the thread can assume that every post from Sol88 over the last 3 days is Sol88's usual insanity.

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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insane lies about the mainstream to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

The RSI experiment measured the mass of 67P and confirmed that 67P is not Sol88's insanity of actual rock.
The "very little ice" in that quote is 14% to 33% ices by mass.
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's irrelevant insanity that spacecraft adjust their trajectory .
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Old 28th October 2019, 05:02 PM   #486
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's insanity is that comets are actual rock from rocky planets, not his delusion of "some form of rock".
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Old 28th October 2019, 05:07 PM   #487
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insane lies about real comets (his total insanity of no ices at Tempel 1) !
His NASA page Deep Impact states the detection of water ices on the surface of Tempel 1.
A total of 5 million kg (11 million lb) of water[41] and between 10 and 25 million kg (22 and 55 million lb) of dust were lost from the impact.[39] !
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Old 28th October 2019, 05:09 PM   #488
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Nope inferred ice.
The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Deep Impact states the detection of water ices on the surface of Tempel 1.
A total of 5 million kg (11 million lb) of water[41] and between 10 and 25 million kg (22 and 55 million lb) of dust were lost from the impact.[39] !
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's insanity that the density of dust grains is the density of comets !
Comets have high porosity (~80% measured for 67P). Anyone with 2 brain cells knows that if we take an insanely bad approximation of only dust grains that gives comets a density of a small part of density of dust grains. Add ices and the density is what we measure - an average of ~0.6 g/cc rather than the ~3.0 g/cc of asteroids.
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's usual insane lies about mainstream science.
We have been pointing out for years the basic fact that cometary coma stop the solar wind from reaching the nucleus. There is some debated mainstream ices and dust comet science that when the solar wind can reach the nucleus, electrostatic charging can eject existing grains (dust an ice?) from the surface.

This is not anything to do with Sol88's utter insanity above.
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We have quite a potential difference in play at 67P, cheers J Deca,
From Jan's plots (e.g. Fig. 2) the electric field units for the color bar are 2.4 mV/m, and the color bar extends to 2.5.
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From Jan's plots (e.g. Fig. 2) the electric field units for the color bar are 2.4 mV/m, and the color bar extends to 2.5.
Yep. Just to save any confusion about which Deca et al paper we are talking about;

Building a Weakly Outgassing Comet from a Generalized Ohm’s Law
Deca, J. et al. (2019)
https://hal-insu.archives-ouvertes.f...71293/document

Other parts of that paper that might bear scrutiny from those who are struggling to understand it;

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To first order, for a weakly outgassing comet, the dynamical interaction that determines the general structure of the cometary plasma environment is representative of a four-fluid coupled system (illustrated in Fig. 1), where the solar wind electrons move to neutralize the cometary ions and the cometary electrons organize themselves to neutralize the solar wind ions.
The Generalised Ohm's Law model they are using..............

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Its limit of validity assumes typical spatial scales, λ, much larger than the electron inertial length, de, and the electron Debye length, λD,e, such that quasi-neutrality is satisfied........
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After ensuring that charge-neutrality is maintained (accounting for both solar wind and cometary plasma), we derive the total ion velocity, the total charge current and the total electron pressure tensor to retrieve the different terms that would appear in a GOL.
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Fred me ‘ol mate, jonesdave116 bangs on about “no solar wind reading the surface” so no electrochemistry.

We have quite a potential difference in play at 67P, cheers J Deca, and we have sheds load of “ingredients” in a plasma solution.

https://www.aanda.org/articles/aa/abs/2019/10/aa34666-18/aa34666-18.html

So.....ummmm

No?

Oh you mob are quite happy to postulate, from another postulate on the postulate that comets are left overs.



Anywho...

Oh dear, Sol doesn’t understand the difference between liquid and plasma. Sad.
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Another clue about the validity of the model presented by Deca et al is in the title of the paper;

.....Weakly Outgassing Comet.......

This is for ~ 0.3 l/s, at 4.0 - 4.5 AU. Their previous paper was looking at the comet at ~ 3.0 AU, with an outgassing rate of ~ 3.0 l/s. They do not expect this model to necessarily hold as outgassing increases;

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As the cometary outgassing activity increases, plasma-neutral collisions will play an increasingly significant role in shaping the ionized cometary environment. Collisions account for two significant processes in the context of mass-loaded plasmas: ion-neutral friction and electron cooling. When the gas production rate is high enough, plasma-neutral collisions eventually carve out a nonmagnetized region near the cometary nucleus. This region is shaped by electron-neutral collisions. Taking into account collisions will be necessary to extend this study for more active comets.
Electron and Ion Dynamics of the Solar Wind Interaction with a Weakly Outgassing Comet
Deca, J. et al. (2017)
https://hal-insu.archives-ouvertes.f...41244/document
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Fred me ‘ol mate, jonesdave116 bangs on about “no solar wind reading the surface” so no electrochemistry.
...
The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma continued in the electric universe theories thread.

Sol88's insanity of blatant lies about posters and posts.

jonesdave116 points out that Sol88 lies about the science he cites yet again! Which is suggested by the title of the paper alone: Study of plasma induced chemistry by DC discharges in CO2/N2/H2O mixtures above a water surface - no liquid water on the surface of comet nuclei .
This is plasma induced chemistry irrelevant to Sol88's insane delusions about comet.

Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms Sol88's insanity of jets as electrical discharges !
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hahaha "electric universe uk" writes the following to a tweet by comet interceptor:

We are wondering if copper will be used again this time, given its explosive discharge prior to contact with Rosetta.
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hahaha "electric universe uk" writes the following to a tweet by comet interceptor:

We are wondering if copper will be used again this time, given its explosive discharge prior to contact with Rosetta.
As a certain tennis player used to say; "You cannot be serious!"
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
hahaha "electric universe uk" writes the following to a tweet by comet interceptor:

We are wondering if copper will be used again this time, given its explosive discharge prior to contact with Rosetta.



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The plasma physics around a weakly outgassing is only slowly beginning to be understood by the analysis of data from Rosetta RPC and new numerical modelling. This mission has opened a new window in space plasma physics.
also tusenfem.



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It was assumed that this was created by a kink-like instability created by the current flowing along the field lines down the tail (see also Ip & Mendis 1975). Later Ershkovich & Heller (1977) also discussed these waves in tails of comets Morehouse (C/1908 R1) and Arend-Roland (C/1965 R1). By modelling the cometary tail as a cylinder they found the dispersion equation for helical oscillations and that the phase velocity was close to the estimated Alfvén velocity. It should be noticed that these waves were observed in the far tail of the comets, for example at distances R > 0.1 AU down the tail for comet Kohoutek, whereas Rosetta did not venture out beyond 1000 km.
How long are comet tails again? Cylinders, helical, and currents! Imagine if counter rotation was also discovered...sound familiar.
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Another clue about the validity of the model presented by Deca et al is in the title of the paper;

.....Weakly Outgassing Comet.......

This is for ~ 0.3 l/s, at 4.0 - 4.5 AU. Their previous paper was looking at the comet at ~ 3.0 AU, with an outgassing rate of ~ 3.0 l/s. They do not expect this model to necessarily hold as outgassing increases;

Quote:
Quote:
As the cometary outgassing activity increases, plasma-neutral collisions will play an increasingly significant role in shaping the ionized cometary environment. Collisions account for two significant processes in the context of mass-loaded plasmas: ion-neutral friction and electron cooling. When the gas production rate is high enough, plasma-neutral collisions eventually carve out a nonmagnetized region near the cometary nucleus. This region is shaped by electron-neutral collisions. Taking into account collisions will be necessary to extend this study for more active comets.

Electron and Ion Dynamics of the Solar Wind Interaction with a Weakly Outgassing Comet
Deca, J. et al. (2017)
https://hal-insu.archives-ouvertes.f...41244/document
So what’s the go here?

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ABSTRACT doi:10.1093/mnras/sty2869 In a cometary coma, the ion-neutral decoupling distance, sometimes referred to as the ion exobase or collisionopause, can be defined as the cometocentric distance, rin, where ions, initially moving with the neutral outgassing speed, have a probability of 1/e of not colliding with neutrals on their subsequent journey radially outwards. We present an analytical model for calculating this decoupling distance in the presence of a static radial electric field. We show that for a logarithmically decaying potential, the value of rin can even decrease to ∼15 percent of its field-free case value. Moreover, already at this distance, the effective ion speed can be expected to markedly exceed the neutral expansion velocity. These analytical results are in line with previous numerical calculations, adapting similar but not identical field profiles.

The presence of a non-negligible ambipolar electric field and limited importance of ion-neutral collisional coupling are further supported by observations in the diamagnetic cavity of comet 67P/Churyumov–Gerasimenko by plasma instruments onboard Rosetta that reveal ion speeds several times higher than the neutral expansion velocity.
On the ion-neutral coupling in cometary comae Erik Vigren and Anders I. Eriksson

Deca or Vigren?
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So what’s the go here?



On the ion-neutral coupling in cometary comae Erik Vigren and Anders I. Eriksson

Deca or Vigren?
What are you talking about now? Care to explain? With some actual science?
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also tusenfem.





How long are comet tails again? Cylinders, helical, and currents! Imagine if counter rotation was also discovered...sound familiar.
Nope. Please explain. Looks like more unscientific word salad to me.
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I have started a new thread, Apparent inconsistencies in our scientific understanding of comets:
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I am starting this thread out of frustration at the lack of relevant content in the The Electric Comet Theory /SAFIRE Part V thread.

Initially that thread - or rather, its predecessors - kept more or less on target, and there were many posts on electric comet models etc, and discussions thereon.

For quite some time now, however, the thread has had ~zero such; rather, ones like this, from earlier today:



I hope this thread can be a place to discuss apparent inconsisencies in, and ask questions about, the contemporary understanding of comets. Scientifically.
I hope this thread (The Electric Comet Theory /SAFIRE Part V) will, from now on, be reserved for discussion of electric comet models, SAFIRE, and closely related topics.

Here is my understanding of what some of the key elements of all electric comet models are:

- comets origins are the solid surface of Earth
- they are created by giant lighting bolts
- such as are common when Venus comes within ~tens of thousands of kms of the Earth
- most are young, say a few thousand years old
- comets are solid rock
- comets exhibit cometary behavior due to the passage through the intense electric field which is centered on the Sun
- AND their high static charge
- AND their highly elliptical orbits
- comet tails and jets are caused by EDM
- water observed on comets is due to electrochemistry

Please feel free to add other key components that I may have misssed.
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Here is my understanding of what some of the key elements of all electric comet models are:

- comets origins are the solid surface of Earth
- they are created by giant lighting bolts
- such as are common when Venus comes within ~tens of thousands of kms of the Earth
- most are young, say a few thousand years old
- comets are solid rock
- comets exhibit cometary behavior due to the passage through the intense electric field which is centered on the Sun
- AND their high static charge
- AND their highly elliptical orbits
- comet tails and jets are caused by EDM
- water observed on comets is due to electrochemistry

Please feel free to add other key components that I may have missed.
Ahhh, you see Jean, that is why you needed to start a separate thread! Because the above claims re the EC have already been shown to be wrong. Trivially. Therefore, the last thing EC proponents want to do is to discuss their 'model'! As it has failed horribly, as expected. In fact, it had already failed when T & T produced their 'poster' to an IEEE meeting, in 2006 (which was never presented, I believe).
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Ahhh, you see Jean, that is why you needed to start a separate thread! Because the above claims re the EC have already been shown to be wrong. Trivially. Therefore, the last thing EC proponents want to do is to discuss their 'model'! As it has failed horribly, as expected. In fact, it had already failed when T & T produced their 'poster' to an IEEE meeting, in 2006 (which was never presented, I believe).
Indeed.

If no one wishes to try to present, and defend, any Electric Comet Theory (or anything to do with SAFIRE), then this thread will drift down the main page, and eventually exit, to be found by only those who search for it. Just like sooooo many other electric universe related threads (and indeed those related to plasma cosmology too).
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On the ion-neutral coupling in cometary comae Erik Vigren and Anders I. Eriksson

Deca or Vigren?
Why not read Deca's latest paper;

Building a Weakly Outgassing Comet from a Generalized Ohm’s Law
J. Deca, Pierre Henri, A Divin, A. Eriksson, M. Galand, A. Beth, K.Ostaszewski, M. Horányi (2019)
https://hal-insu.archives-ouvertes.f...71293/document
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sool88's insane worship of his demented cult prophets., in this case the cult insanity of Birkeland currents wherever they imagine them with Donald Scott and his delusions.
A summary of Donald Scott's EU delusions supplied from Sol88's posts.
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's persistent insanity of asking about mainstream ices and dust comet papers.

For others:
The answer is Deca J., et. al. and Vigren, et. al.!
We have detected a diamagnetic cavity at 67P. Both papers and the quotes state that the detected diamagnetic cavity exists !
Both papers give similar mechanisms to create the cavity. Decca: "plasma-neutral collisions", Vigren: not "ion-neutral collisional coupling" (so including plasma-neutral collisions).
Vigren has the extra textbook plasma physics of a non-negligible ambipolar electric field not mentioned in Deca.

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also tusenfem.
And I stand to what I write.
Nevertheless thus guy mixed up missions and thought that the outside of a satellite is covered with copper.


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How long are comet tails again? Cylinders, helical, and currents! Imagine if counter rotation was also discovered...sound familiar.
yes you are a great wordsmith, but then again "praatjes vullen geen gaatjes"
you throw around terms as if you know what they mean or as like the combination of words is somehow profound (anywhere else outside your head)
but nothing qualitative, let alone quantitative is coming from you or the EC gang
fortunately with you, the antimathemagician, we don't need to hear the silly "the math fir thus plasma physics does not exist yet"
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jd16, RC, tusenfem: would you please, please, please not post in this thread any more, except to propose electric comet theories (or models) or discuss any which have been presented? Ditto re SAFIRE?

Instead, why not post to the new thread, Apparent inconsistencies in our scientific understanding of comets?
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jd16, RC, tusenfem: would you please, please, please not post in this thread any more, except to propose electric comet theories (or models) or discuss any which have been presented? Ditto re SAFIRE?

Instead, why not post to the new thread, Apparent inconsistencies in our scientific understanding of comets?
If Sol88 posts his usual insanity here, I will reply pointing out that it is his usual insanity. That may involve informing lurkers about our scientific understanding of comets.
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I have started a new thread, Apparent inconsistencies in our scientific understanding of comets:


I hope this thread (The Electric Comet Theory /SAFIRE Part V) will, from now on, be reserved for discussion of electric comet models, SAFIRE, and closely related topics.

Here is my understanding of what some of the key elements of all electric comet models are:

- comets origins are the solid surface of Earth
- they are created by giant lighting bolts
- such as are common when Venus comes within ~tens of thousands of kms of the Earth
- most are young, say a few thousand years old
- comets are solid rock
- comets exhibit cometary behavior due to the passage through the intense electric field which is centered on the Sun
- AND their high static charge
- AND their highly elliptical orbits
- comet tails and jets are caused by EDM
- water observed on comets is due to electrochemistry

Please feel free to add other key components that I may have misssed.
Oh, know I see your problem jean tate.

At least you got rock correct.
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Indeed.

If no one wishes to try to present, and defend, any Electric Comet Theory (or anything to do with SAFIRE), then this thread will drift down the main page, and eventually exit, to be found by only those who search for it. Just like sooooo many other electric universe related threads (and indeed those related to plasma cosmology too).
Classic.


Circle the wagons boys!


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The plasma physics around a weakly outgassing is only slowly beginning to be understood by the analysis of data from Rosetta RPC and new numerical modelling. This mission has opened a new window in space plasma physics.
tusenfem


And you arrogant zealots think cometary science is settled.


Or better still and since the the lad is on this thread, are you able to explain The following cryptic comment
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This mission has opened a new window in space plasma physics.
How’s ideal MHD holding up since we started this thread?

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In the regions where the electron pressure gradient dominates a strong ambipolar electric field is present, e.g., near the outgassing cometary nucleus [43,44,49]. Here the electric field can do work and accelerate electrons parallel to the magnetic field towards the comet [Figs. 2(i) and 2(j)]. Hence, providing further evidence that the ambipolar electric field generates the suprathermal electron population close to the comet[7,43,44].Notethattheanalysispresented here cannot exclude an extra electron acceleration source through lower-hybrid waves [50]. In addition, in the perpendicular direction [Fig. 2(j)], a symmetric structure is not expected because of the near-comet cross-field acceleration, i.e., the beginning of the pickup process.
Oh, it CAN do work now, as I said it does.

Like electrochemical reactions.

Removing rock to dust.

I just happy I’ve been shown, by some great thinkers, to be correct.


And

I more than patient enough just to sit back and let’s the people that get PAID to write peer reviewed papers, come up with a new window on space plasma.

Strong double layers!
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Originally Posted by tusenfem View Post
And I stand to what I write.
Nevertheless thus guy mixed up missions and thought that the outside of a satellite is covered with copper.




yes you are a great wordsmith, but then again "praatjes vullen geen gaatjes"
you throw around terms as if you know what they mean or as like the combination of words is somehow profound (anywhere else outside your head)
but nothing qualitative, let alone quantitative is coming from you or the EC gang
fortunately with you, the antimathemagician, we don't need to hear the silly "the math fir thus plasma physics does not exist yet"
Well you did publish this statement
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5 Harris and co.

In a region where oppositely directed magnetic fields meet, a current sheet will be generated, by necessity of Amp`ere’s law:
Also from tusenfem

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This kind of structure is reminiscent of the helical waves in cometary tails that were first observed at comet Kohoutek (C/1973 E1, 1973 XII, or 1973f) by Hyder et al. (1974). It was assumed that this was created by a kink-like instability created by the current flowing along the field lines down the tail (see also Ip & Mendis 1975). Later Ershkovich & Heller (1977) also discussed these waves in tails of comets Morehouse (C/1908 R1) and Arend-Roland (C/1965 R1).

For all comet tails ya reckon?

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Comet C/1996 B2 (Hyakutake) Edit
On May 1, 1996, the spacecraft unexpectedly crossed the ion tail of Comet Hyakutake (C/1996 B2), revealing the tail to be at least 3.8 AU in length.[10][11]

Comet C/1999 T1 (McNaught–Hartley) Edit
An encounter with a comet tail happened again in 1999 when Ulysses flew through the ion tailings of C/1999 T1 (McNaught-Hartley). A coronal mass ejection carried the cometary material to Ulysses.[11][12]
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Is this looking thru this
Quote:
new window on space plasma
?


I’m not good at the math but there must be massive electric currents threading the solar system. Do they radiate in the radio spectrum?
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Content not relevant to the topic of this thread, electric comet theory (and SAFIRE) snipped.

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This is getting pretty darn weary, Sol88.

Indistinguishable from spam, wouldn't you say?

I've been reading some of the threads jd16, tusenfem, and Ziggarut provided links to. There is (or was, the account is banned) in the Cosmoquest Forum with the same name as you (Sol88). Many posts by that person strongly resemble many of your recent ones here. Interesting. Almost as if there's been no developments in the past several years!
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's insane lie that JeanTate only got the rock part of the electric comet insanity right.
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Here is my understanding of what some of the key elements of all electric comet models are:

- comets origins are the solid surface of Earth [mostly correct]
- they are created by giant lighting bolts [correct]
- such as are common when Venus comes within ~tens of thousands of kms of the Earth [mostly correct]
- most are young, say a few thousand years old [partially correct]
- comets are solid rock [correct]
- comets exhibit cometary behavior due to the passage through the intense electric field which is centered on the Sun [correct]
- AND their high static charge [correct]
- AND their highly elliptical orbits [correct]
- comet tails and jets are caused by EDM [correct]
- water observed on comets is due to electrochemistry. [partially correct]
My "[...correct]" comments added from the publicly available electric comet insanity that we have been discussing for 10 years now.

The electric comet insanity is comet origins are the surfaces of unnamed rocky planets which have to be Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars.

The electric comet insanity is that Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars whizz around the Solar System blasting each other with giant lighting bolts. But Earth violates the Thunderbolts cult insanity by not obeying their demented laws of physics and remaining in roughly same orbit for billions of years !

The electric comet insanity is that some of these giant lighting bolts were witnessed and recorded by us in myths.

The electric comet insanity is that comets are solid rock with either no ices or "little ices" depending on the day and which demented prophet we ask.

The electric comet insanity is "comets exhibit cometary behavior due to the passage through the intense electric field which is centered on the Sun" via "high static charge" caused by "highly elliptical orbits". It is that electric field that tears solid rock apart into the tiny dust grains and even gases that make up comet coma and tails.

The electric comet insanity is that EDM is the mechanism that sculpts the solid rock surface of comet nuclei to form the dust grains and even gases as above.

The electric comet insanity from Dr. Franklin Anariba is more than just "water observed on comets is due to electrochemistry". The cult has water being produced on comet surfaces by electrical discharges. Anariba's delusions are mostly about comet coma and their composition. He takes the cult insanity of comets being solid, charged rock and spins his own fairy stories about comet. Dr. Franklin Anariba's EU 2013 talk makes it very clear that Anariba has fallen for the demented cult's electric comet insanity. Giving a talk at a conference of deluded cranks suggests that Anariba is a deluded crank.

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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

For others:
tusenfem wrote mainstream physics in his paper:
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In a region where oppositely directed magnetic fields meet, a current sheet will be generated, by necessity of Ampere’s law
and
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This kind of structure is reminiscent of the helical waves in cometary tails that were first observed at comet Kohoutek (C/1973 E1, 1973 XII, or 1973f) by Hyder et al. (1974). It was assumed that this was created by a kink-like instability created by the current flowing along the field lines down the tail (see also Ip & Mendis 1975). Later Ershkovich & Heller (1977) also discussed these waves in tails of comets Morehouse (C/1908 R1) and Arend-Roland (C/1965 R1).
Anyone can read that the subject is current sheets and electric currents inside comet tails.

But we get Sol88's insane statement about electric currents everywhere inside the System !
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I more than patient enough just to sit back and let’s the people that get PAID to write peer reviewed papers, come up with a new window on space plasma.

Strong double layers!
Nope. Not seen, not expected to be seen. Neither you, nor anybody else in your cult, knows the first thing about plasma physics. You are a bunch of Velikovskian loons, with zero understanding of any of the relevant science. That is why you are totally ignored by real science.
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Well you did publish this statement

Also from tusenfem




For all comet tails ya reckon?

‘Cos wiki


Is this looking thru this
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I’m not good at the math but there must be massive electric currents threading the solar system. Do they radiate in the radio spectrum?
Not only are you not good at maths, you do not understand Jack about any of the relevant science. Hence why nobody takes you seriously. Stick to Earth orbiting Saturn, or whatever idiocy you believe in. Leave science to those that understand it. That does not include anybody in your cult.
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At what point does a thread in the science forum get sent to the woo area? Ever? I can't tell the two sub-forums apart.

Too many of the threads I see here are frickin stupid.

How are these threads so popular if so many people think they are bull? Can't people ignore the morons and trolls? I guess it's like Reality TV - people just can't stop looking at idiots doing stupid things.

Just a suggestion: move such threads. The "science" in this thread, for example, has been thoroughly debunked, therefore this is not science. If it ever was it sure as hell isn't now.
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The thousands of insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. since 6 July 2009 from Sol88 about his cult's electric comet and electric Sun dogma.

Sol88's usual insanity to derail from Sol88's insane religious dogma that comets are actual rock (no ices or a demented fantasy of "little ices") blasted from rocky planets by electric discharges between planets including recent times (witnessed by us!) and that these rocks discharge in a massive solar electric field. This insanely tears the rock apart and puts gas and dust into the coma and forms their insanity of jets as electrical discharges !

Sol88's insanity that pointing out how insanely irrelevant his posts are is us "circling the wagons". Sol88 has not posted anything except insane lies about his demented electric comet dogma for a long time. The majority of his posts for the last few years have been insane lies, delusions, insults, etc. about mainstream comets, astronomers, posts and posters,.

Sol88's insane insults of posters.
We (his "arrogant zealots") know basic facts abut the real world unlike Sol88. No science is ever settled because always questioning science is the part of the scientific process. Scientists collect data to test science. There will be missions to return samples from comet nuclei because science is never settled. There will be manned missions to comets because science is never settled.

Sol88's insane lies about what he quotes.
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The plasma physics around a weakly outgassing is only slowly beginning to be understood by the analysis of data from Rosetta RPC and new numerical modelling. This mission has opened a new window in space plasma physics.
This is easily understood English.
Before Rosetta, the physics of plasma interactions around comets relied on data collected remotely, e.g. on Earth. Rosetta gave us a massive amount of local data about comet 67p over 2 years.

Sol88's insane lies about ideal MHD.
We do not discuss ideal MHD with an insanely ignorant supporter of a demented cult and its dogma. Ideal MHD has stood up for 60 years not the 10 years since the start of this thread and is still valid within its documented limitations - then we have resistive MHD!

Sol88's insane delusions of "electrochemical reactions" and "rock to dust".

Sol88's persistent insane double layer delusions.
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