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Old 13th October 2019, 08:31 AM   #521
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All of these other progressives or semi-progressive candidates have niche strengths.
Nothing wrong with that.

Bernie Sanders just has broader coverage of the issues so he'd be preferred for the American left to get behind. I stopped following Kyle Kulinski a while ago though. He and his arrogant fanbase annoy me.
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Old 13th October 2019, 11:08 PM   #522
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Originally Posted by Delvo View Post
I'm going to put the last quote at the beginning, and modify it a bit to make it a more level-headed, less how-dare-you-think-differently-from-me version of itself:Take a moment to put yourself in the position of someone who would have written something like that, which just looks at the facts at hand, without looking for something to fling at somebody or drool on. Does it really, actually fit together & make sense to you? I don't see how it possibly can.

You saw somebody making a comparison between candidates & their platforms, and responded to that by lamenting the fact that people don't compare candidates & platforms without (this nonsense of) comparing the candidates & platforms.

Can you explain how what you're responding to did not already meet the request you made in the first not-scratched-through part in the quote box? Can you explain how the two separate not-scratched-through parts of the quote can possibly, even hypothetically, be compatible with each other at all? Or will we just get another round of "HE NOT LIKE WHO GINGER LIKE! GGHHRAAAWRR GINGER SMAAASH (keyboard)!!!!!!!"

From the point-of-view of fans of his, as discussed in a thread about him, yes. That's how preferences work: alternatives to the preferred choice are... not the preferred choice. I'm saving money up for a Ford Ranger. I suppose I could get a Chevrolet Colorado instead, but I'd rather get a Ranger.

I'm quite certain that you've known this all along, because everybody does and it wouldn't be possible for a functioning human not to. Why pretend to only just now be discovering this? Could it have anything to do with having a preference of your own, which itself would be proof that you're already aware that preferences are prefences? (And not being particularly emotionally well-equipped to handle people having different preferences from yours)

Now would be a good time to point out the quote in which that is claimed. Failure to do so will equal admission that you made it up from nothing but your own paranoid imagination. (And while you're at it, now would also be a good time to back up the accusation of sexism that you built in to the first quote, and failure to do so will also equal admission of the equivalent behavior on that subject, too.)

Again, as you surely already know and there's no sense in pretending not to, that's just how political choices work, and also how "spectrums/spectra" work: politicians get compared with each other, and whoever/whatever is the farthest in one direction or another on a spectrum becomes a measuring point for others that/who aren't as far in that direction to be compared with. Whichever compact/midiszed pickup truck has the most towing capacity in that class, the rest all have less towing capacity than that.
I've marked this post so I can come back to it and point out the bull **** language that exposes what you don't believe you said.
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Old 14th October 2019, 11:03 AM   #523
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Bernie denouncing Warren as a Capitalist might be the best thing he can do to support her.
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Old 14th October 2019, 12:28 PM   #524
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Bernie denouncing Warren as a Capitalist might be the best thing he can do to support her.
In the primaries, or in the general?
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Old 14th October 2019, 12:34 PM   #525
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
In the primaries, or in the general?
If you want to believe in the awesome power of the DNC and its backers - both.
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Old 14th October 2019, 02:21 PM   #526
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
If you want to believe in the awesome power of the DNC and its backers - both.
I don't understand what this means.

The way I see it, a plausible tagging of Warren as a capitalist in the primaries would reduce support for her, in favor of candidates perceived as being more "socialist" (or whatever). But the same tag in the general election, might attract some pro-capitalist or capitalist-tolerant support she might not have gotten otherwise.
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Old 14th October 2019, 03:53 PM   #527
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I don't understand what this means.

The way I see it, a plausible tagging of Warren as a capitalist in the primaries would reduce support for her, in favor of candidates perceived as being more "socialist" (or whatever). But the same tag in the general election, might attract some pro-capitalist or capitalist-tolerant support she might not have gotten otherwise.
We really just banking on the majority of democratic voters and then the US public being able to understand that all modern, western countries have "mixed economies" with both capitalist features and socialist-type features, and that Warren's plans are to optimize the former and slightly expand the latter.
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Old 14th October 2019, 04:55 PM   #528
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A new poll has Bernie down to 5% in Iowa after his heart attack. The big gainer appears to be Mayor Pete, who surged to 17%. Warren is at 25% and Biden at 22%.
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Old 14th October 2019, 11:14 PM   #529
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I don't understand what this means.

The way I see it, a plausible tagging of Warren as a capitalist in the primaries would reduce support for her, in favor of candidates perceived as being more "socialist" (or whatever). But the same tag in the general election, might attract some pro-capitalist or capitalist-tolerant support she might not have gotten otherwise.
The only serious argument within the Democratic Party I see against Warren is electability: the fear that Trump will manage to label her as a Socialist.
Having Bernie on record as her being too far to the right helps with that.
Warren's supporters know exactly where she stands, thanks to her many plans, so they only care about her public image insofar as it helps/hurts her electability.
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Old 15th October 2019, 04:41 AM   #530
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That "label" doesn't do any harm anymore, though.
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Old 15th October 2019, 04:57 AM   #531
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Originally Posted by Delvo View Post
That "label" doesn't do any harm anymore, though.
You could be right; I suspect you're wrong. But the thing is, neither of us actually knows. What you're sharing here is best know as wishful thinking.
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Old 15th October 2019, 03:29 PM   #532
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Actually, it's the result that was found in a couple of surveys recently, although I don't recall where.

If it were wishful thinking, I'd also say that "capitalism/capitalist" is no longer responded to as an automatic good, but I think it was 65% that still said it is. The shift in the general reception of one of these words has not been paralleled by such a shift in the other.

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Old 16th October 2019, 09:51 AM   #533
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Originally Posted by Delvo View Post
Actually, it's the result that was found in a couple of surveys recently, although I don't recall where.

If it were wishful thinking, I'd also say that "capitalism/capitalist" is no longer responded to as an automatic good, but I think it was 65% that still said it is. The shift in the general reception of one of these words has not been paralleled by such a shift in the other.
Wrong, that is exactly what America wants, you will never see a socialist in the office because America doesnt need or want that noise. MURICA!
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