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Old Today, 02:02 PM   #321
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Originally Posted by Garrison View Post
The Kurds are forced from their homes, the Turks get everything they wanted, even now the ability to use all those IS prisoners as leverage for future US concessions, and Russian power in the region is enhanced. The US in the meanwhile gains...?
Another Trump Tower in Turkey.....
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Originally Posted by Garrison View Post
Oh knock it off, there was a stable situation until your god-king Donald decided to destabilize it and the only people gaining are Erdogan and Putin. Trump cost the US influence and trust and pushed one of the USA's few reliable allies in the Middle East into the arms of Assad with a policy he enacted without consulting his own military. If you can name one thing the US gained from this move go right ahead and point it out.
If a Democrat had done what Trump did, , Ziggy would be screaming his head off .
But I guess aiding and abetting ethnic cleansing is fine in Ziggy's book. After all Dear Leader is incapable of error.
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Statements from trump in his presser

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We've secured the oil and, therefore, a small number of US Troops will remain in the area. Where they have the oil. And we're going to be protecting it, and we'll be deciding what we're going to do with it in the future.
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Eight long years after President Obama's ill-fated push at regime change, U.S. troops are still on the ground in Syria. More than half a million people are dead, hundreds of thousands are terribly injured, and millions more Syrians are displaced.
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Now people are saying, Wow. What a great outcome. Congratulations.
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Originally Posted by Garrison View Post
Oh knock it off, there was a stable situation until your god-king Donald decided to destabilize it

No there wasn't. There was an occupation by Kurdish forces due to a heroic fight they did with the US coming in at the very last second against ISIS which wouldn't have existed in the first place without the US bolstering Turkish moves. The last time this unstable sutuation was about to break up was late 2018, when I said this about it. This time it worked and what is apparently growing out of it is not a zero sum, it is a win for all, and Trump has to get some credit for playing along nicely on a plot that of course was thought out in Moscow, where they still are capable of strategic thinking based on a true understanding of the world.
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Oh knock it off, there was a stable situation until your god-king Donald decided to destabilize it
The situation was not stable.

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and the only people gaining are Erdogan and Putin.
Perhaps. I'm open to arguments that this was a mistake. But again, what were the US goals here? What strategy were we supposed to be pursuing to reach those goals? I can't get a straight answer from anyone. And now you're blaming me for even asking. Yeah, no. I don't accept the answer that this was a mistake without any coherent explanation of what we should be doing and why.
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