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Old Today, 11:57 AM   #2841
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
What is your position on the claim that a grand-jury-type proceeding is in every way a lynching? Grand juries don't actually execute people, that I know of.
It's stupid hyperbole. But I don't find it offensive because of the word "lynch", and neither did almost everyone else when anyone else did the same thing until Trump decided to do it.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
It's either this or we all go around the room agreeing that the orange man is bad yet again.
Dems really ought to co-op that saying. I'd buy an Orange Man Bad ballcap.
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Old Today, 12:10 PM   #2843
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
Dems really ought to co-op that saying. I'd buy an Orange Man Bad ballcap.
Nah, settle for just buying or growing him a pair.
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
By that standard, CNN never says anything.
No, that would be by a different standard that you just made up.
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After Bill Taylor's extraordinary testimony yesterday, how the hell can Zig, Prestige etc defend Trump?

Do they really believe this dedicated public servant was lying and that Trump and Rudy are telling the truth? How many career professionals who have extensive histories working in both Democratic and Republican administrations have to confirm what they did as well as the summary the White House provided to come to an honest conclusion?

There is a point somewhere isn't there? When you have to admit your spouse is cheating on you? Do you really continue to question that point after you discover him/her naked in bed with two other people?
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And no one has even metioned Trump's incredible act of appeasement to Putin and Erdogan this morning.
Trump has betrayed basic US interests in the Middle East. I am astonished how the hell Republcians can continue to support him after this Munich level disaster.
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Old Today, 12:46 PM   #2847
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
After Bill Taylor's extraordinary testimony yesterday, how the hell can Zig, Prestige etc defend Trump?

Do they really believe this dedicated public servant was lying and that Trump and Rudy are telling the truth? How many career professionals who have extensive histories working in both Democratic and Republican administrations have to confirm what they did as well as the summary the White House provided to come to an honest conclusion?

There is a point somewhere isn't there when you have to admit your spouse is cheating on you? Do you really continue to question that point after you discover him/her naked in bed with two other people?
Three words, Deep State Conspiracy and the whole GOP is bought into the narrative. There is literally no evidence that would sway their opinion IMO.
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Old Today, 12:50 PM   #2848
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Three words, Deep State Conspiracy and the whole GOP is bought into the narrative. There is literally no evidence that would sway their opinion IMO.
It's not so much the Deep State Conspiracy crap , but fear of being primaried if they oppose Trump that is driving the GOP in the House to be such butt kissers.
In the senate, there are signs of a few crack in Trump's GOP wall. A lot of them are not up to reelection next year.
And you might want to tone down the Eeyore routine. Helps nobody but Trump.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
GOd, you really have written off democracy as dead in both the US and UK have'n t you.
I hate to say this, but your Eeyore routine helps nobody but Trump and BoJO.
I'll change my tune when I see evidence to the contrary. I thought that selling out the Kurds might cause the GOP to grow a backbone but after a couple of days of mild rebuke, they've pivoted to be firmly behind the President.

Edited to add.....

Though I agree that apart from a few nutjobs, they don't actually believe his nonsense, it is about not being primaried. President Trump is a symptom, not the cause.

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BTW interesting the athe high school level political theater in the House has distracting attention from Trump's total capitulation to Putin,Erdogan, and Assad in the Mideast?
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
BTW interesting the athe high school level political theater in the House has distracting attention from Trump's total capitulation to Putin,Erdogan, and Assad in the Mideast?
...and here's me thinking that the GOP were against selling out the Kurds.
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Three words, Deep State Conspiracy and the whole GOP is bought into the narrative. There is literally no evidence that would sway their opinion IMO.
Which of course is nothing but conspiracy crap now piled three miles high.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
After Bill Taylor's extraordinary testimony yesterday, how the hell can Zig, Prestige etc defend Trump?

Do they really believe this dedicated public servant was lying and that Trump and Rudy are telling the truth? How many career professionals who have extensive histories working in both Democratic and Republican administrations have to confirm what they did as well as the summary the White House provided to come to an honest conclusion?

There is a point somewhere isn't there? When you have to admit your spouse is cheating on you? Do you really continue to question that point after you discover him/her naked in bed with two other people?
I think it's safe to say that no matter what Trump does there will be people out there that will defend him. There are people that defend Nixon to this day.

The fact is that is the Phil Ken Sebben of politics. Completely clueless, completely useless, but for some reason people are just drawn to do what he says. Mostly because he's an alpha(style) male and people equate money with intelligence. I have no idea why, that's just what they do.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
It's not so much the Deep State Conspiracy crap , but fear of being primaried if they oppose Trump that is driving the GOP in the House to be such butt kissers.
In the senate, there are signs of a few crack in Trump's GOP wall. A lot of them are not up to reelection next year.
And you might want to tone down the Eeyore routine. Helps nobody but Trump.
That is the beauty of the Senate. The 6 year term with election cycles that are staggered. The founders wanted the Senate not to be too heavily influenced by the momentary whims of the electorate.
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Originally Posted by The Don View Post
Three words, Deep State Conspiracy and the whole GOP is bought into the narrative. There is literally no evidence that would sway their opinion IMO.
And yet the deep state' career professionals are backed up by the White House's own release of the summary of the call, Rudy's television interviews and the Press Secretary's admission which was clearly an excited utterance.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Did he just admit that military aid was being withheld?







And then he wants to prosecute the Press for publishing unflattering articles about him.
He did. His staff are now running around in circles yelling and waving their arms in the air trying to work out how to spin this.
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Trump thinks that the Russian Army moving in to positions previously held by the US and the Kurds being forced out is somehow a big success.
Everything he does is a success. He's the most successful President ever.
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I read the first take at outrage being “Using the term ‘lynching’ is horribly offensive”. I took that as universally bad.



Then, whataboutism set in, where it was pointed out how many others have used the term in the past, including the newly outraged Democrats.



So the first take was modified to read “Using the term ‘lynching’ is especially horribly offensive when President does it”.



That seems to me to have moved the goalpost. But these things are never black-and-white, so I appreciate some may view it differently.
I just avoid **** like that. It's arguing about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. Trump is ignorant, criminal, dangerous, impulsive, vindictive and unpredictable. All qualities you don't want in a President.
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“I give away my presidential salary. They say no other President has done it. I’m surprised, to be honest with you. They say George Washington may have been the only other President to do that.”
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At $400,000 a year, Obama earned just over $3 million in eight years. Trump has spent about THIRTY times that golfing in 2.5 years. It doesn’t even make sense to try to draw comparisons between these two sets of figures because they’re so wildly different.
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Republicans who don't show absolute obedience to Trump are human scum who are, thankfully, dying off fast.

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President Trump on Wednesday excoriated so-called Never Trump Republicans as "human scum" as he seeks to solidify Republican support of him amid an ongoing impeachment inquiry.

He singled out his administration's special envoy to Ukraine, William Taylor, who a day earlier sat for closed door testimony with those lawmakers the impeachment inquiry and delivered damaging testimony about the White House's efforts to pressure Ukraine for political purposes.

"The Never Trumper Republicans, though on respirators with not many left, are in certain ways worse and more dangerous for our Country than the Do Nothing Democrats," Trump tweeted. "Watch out for them, they are human scum!"

"Never Trumper Republican John Bellinger, represents Never Trumper Diplomat Bill Taylor (who I don’t know), in testimony before Congress!" Trump tweeted about 45 minutes later, bemoaning the lack of transparency in the impeachment proceedings thus far.

"It would be really great if the people within the Trump Administration, all well-meaning and good (I hope!), could stop hiring Never Trumpers, who are worse than the Do Nothing Democrats," Trump added. "Nothing good will ever come from them!"

Trump earlier this week complained that Democrats leading the impeachment investigation were interviewing individuals he hadn't heard of before launching into a tirade against the "Never Trumpers."

"Don’t forget, many of these people were put there during Obama, during Clinton, during the Never Trump or Bush era," Trump said at a Cabinet meeting on Monday. "You know, you had a Never Trump or Bush. You have heard of those? Those people might be worse than the Democrats — the Never Trumpers. The good news is they're dying off fast."
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Trump Tweets

Never Trumper Republican John Bellinger, represents Never Trumper Diplomat Bill Taylor (who I don’t know), in testimony before Congress! Do Nothing Democrats allow Republicans Zero Representation, Zero due process, and Zero Transparency....

....Does anybody think this is fair? Even though there was no quid pro quo, I’m sure they would like to try. Worse than the Dems!
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...and here's me thinking that the GOP were against selling out the Kurds.
A few of them might object. But selling out the Kurds is just a small part of the picture. For better or worse, Trump is signaling that he wants to cede U.S. influence in the Middle East. Maybe he’s even correct to do so. But I’m not sure the Senate is going to let him do this forever.

He’s also pulling the U.S. out of influence in the Western Hemisphere by apparently dropping any objection to a Soviet - er, Russian -backed dictatorship in Venezuela.

So in effect he’s withdrawing not only from the fight against terrorism, but also from any Cold War-like relationship to Russia. And I’m not sure the intelligence-military community is going to allow that to happen. If he wanted to just bring *all* troops home, would the powers that be let that happen? *Are* there any “powers that be”? Maybe not. Maybe the U.S. will happily become a splendidly isolationist former world power with all of its mighty military devoted to policing the border and nothing else. I doubt it, but I don’t know. It looks to me that this is where Trump’s policies would lead. It looks more like a coherent policy than anything else I’ve seen from him. Turn the U.S. into a giant resort with surplus food-making capability - a playground and bread basket for the global dictatorship club.
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Republicans who don't show absolute obedience to Trump are human scum who are, thankfully, dying off fast.



Linky.
Oh goody-goody gumdrops. Another group to scapegoat. I’m happy to see this because I want Trump to feel besieged from all sides. He’s not sure he even has a loyal White House contingent.
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"It would be really great if the people within the Trump Administration, all well-meaning and good (I hope!), could stop hiring Never Trumpers, who are worse than the Do Nothing Democrats," Trump added. "Nothing good will ever come from them!"

He is not even sure of his own Cabinet.
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That is the beauty of the Senate. The 6 year term with election cycles that are staggered. The founders wanted the Senate not to be too heavily influenced by the momentary whims of the electorate.
They also didn't want the Senate to be elected.
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Trump Tweets

Never Trumper Republican John Bellinger, represents Never Trumper Diplomat Bill Taylor (who I don’t know), in testimony before Congress! Do Nothing Democrats allow Republicans Zero Representation, Zero due process, and Zero Transparency....

....Does anybody think this is fair? Even though there was no quid pro quo, I’m sure they would like to try. Worse than the Dems!
Ah, turning on his friends, now. Well, well, well ...

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In federal appeals court today, Trump's attorneys argued that he could publicly murder someone and not be punished while in office.
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...Trump's attorneys argued that he could publicly murder someone and not be punished while in office.
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In federal appeals court today, Trump's attorneys argued that he could publicly murder someone and not be punished while in office.
I listened to the entire hearing. Not only that but if Trump pulled out a gun and shot someone on 5th avenue NY authorities couldn't apprehend him.

Their argument was absurd. The President had ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY not only from prosecution but from any investigation. Only after impeachment could the President be investigated. Now, I might concede that the President may not be prosecuted while in office, it is risible to suggest that authorities cannot investigate.
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They also didn't want the Senate to be elected.
Not until 1915 were all Senators elected. Before they were selected by their respective State legislators.
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In federal appeals court today, Trump's attorneys argued that he could publicly murder someone and not be punished while in office.
I would like to think that he would try that. On Fifth Avenue in NYC too. First victim: Himself.
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BTW interesting the athe high school level political theater in the House has distracting attention from Trump's total capitulation to Putin,Erdogan, and Assad in the Mideast?
None of whom are particularly friendly to Israel, especially Assad who is beholden to Iran. But somehow supporting Israel is a primary concern of Republicans.
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I would like to think that he would try that. On Fifth Avenue in NYC too. First victim: Himself.
Clearly it would be self-defense.
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I listened to the entire hearing. Not only that but if Trump pulled out a gun and shot someone on 5th avenue NY authorities couldn't apprehend him.

Their argument was absurd. The President had ABSOLUTE IMMUNITY not only from prosecution but from any investigation. Only after impeachment could the President be investigated. Now, I might concede that the President may not be prosecuted while in office, it is risible to suggest that authorities cannot investigate.
You have to wonder why they even made it
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Now, I might concede that the President may not be prosecuted while in office
Don't. It's a DOJ memo, not any written law, and because of the argument put forth in front of that judge, that memo has been called into question.

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Not until 1915 were all Senators elected. Before they were selected by their respective State legislators.
Yeah I know. I think they should've kept that. Not everyone needs to be elected and not everything should be up to a popular vote.
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None of whom are particularly friendly to Israel, especially Assad who is beholden to Iran. But somehow supporting Israel is a primary concern of Republicans.

If you look at the Israeli press, they are scared as hell about these developments...with good reason. There are signs that Erodgan might now go full scale "Death to Israel" to increase his claim to be a major power in the Islmaic world.
COmmon opinion is that Bibi has been played for a sucker by Trump.
And, btw, some of the evangelicals convulutions to show how this is somehow good for Israel are funny. There is now a huge contradiction between their blind support for Israel and their blind worship of Trump,and they are not handling it very well.
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You have to wonder why they even made it.
To drag out the process. There is little doubt that whatever ruling is made it will be appealed to SCOTUS.
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To drag out the process. There is little doubt that whatever ruling is made it will be appealed to SCOTUS.

But it is such a crappy argument;they could have dragged it out with a better one.
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But it is such a crappy argument;they could have dragged it out with a better one.
Like what? They had other arguments as well. They argued since it involves POTUS it belongs in Federal court. Otherwise POTUS would see a deluge of state prosecutors potentially going after Presidents. One of the judges pointed out there were lots of federal courts that could do the same anyway and it hasn't happened. They argued that this was all subterfuge in an attempto to obtain his financial records.

But basically the main theme of Trump's argument is that as Potus he should be immune from any investigation.
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