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Old 18th September 2019, 08:08 AM   #81
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And what do we do when he's out of office? What's to prevent him from sending MORE secrets to allies or enemies? I don't count on Republican senators to be queasy and even if they are they won't DO anything.
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Old 18th September 2019, 08:19 AM   #82
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
And what do we do when he's out of office? What's to prevent him from sending MORE secrets to allies or enemies? I don't count on Republican senators to be queasy and even if they are they won't DO anything.
You can't count on anything aside from death and taxes. But my general appraisal is that when Trump is out of office, the GOP will go one of two ways.

1) We were always against him anyway! He's really a democrat, you know, friend of the Clintons! Look at this conspiracy theory!

In this case, they won't have any problem prosecuting him after office.

2) We go deeper into Trump style politics, in which case, Trump sharing some state secrets is very low on our list of active concerns.
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Old 18th September 2019, 08:37 AM   #83
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Trump is no Kingmaker, simply because he doesn't want anyone else bu himself to be the King.
Once out of office, he might still go on promo-tours In Red States for one candidate or another (for the right price), but i don't see him shilling for a presidential candidate.
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I think it is more likely the GOP begins the "we aren't looking backwards, but forwards" spiel, and blaming democrats for the deficits. They never take responsibility for anything that might be perceived as negative.
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Old 18th September 2019, 08:38 AM   #85
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
I think it is more likely the GOP begins the "we aren't looking backwards, but forwards" spiel, and blaming democrats for the deficits. They never take responsibility for anything that might be perceived as negative.
Yea like with W.
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Old 18th September 2019, 11:31 AM   #86
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Originally Posted by The Great Zaganza View Post
Trump is no Kingmaker, simply because he doesn't want anyone else bu himself to be the King.
Once out of office, he might still go on promo-tours In Red States for one candidate or another (for the right price), but i don't see him shilling for a presidential candidate.
Ivanka.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Ivanka.
She would be good, but not as good as him. Don't believe me, ask him.
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Old 18th September 2019, 01:10 PM   #88
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
And what do we do when he's out of office? What's to prevent him from sending MORE secrets to allies or enemies? I don't count on Republican senators to be queasy and even if they are they won't DO anything.
Though you're probably right, I think if senators were bothered by Trump's blabbermouth tendencies they would not make a lot of public pronouncements about it, so I wouldn't assume their lack of public criticism means everything's OK.

I used to kind of like Lindsey Graham but those days are long gone. Still, he squeaked a little about Trump's response to Iran shooting down a drone and I'm certain he knows far more than Trump does about national security.

I'm not sure the post-presidency Trump will have much to offer in terms of secrets. For one thing he bungles the facts so badly that depending on him for accurate intel would be stupid.
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Old 18th September 2019, 04:35 PM   #89
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
Though you're probably right, I think if senators were bothered by Trump's blabbermouth tendencies they would not make a lot of public pronouncements about it, so I wouldn't assume their lack of public criticism means everything's OK.

...snip
Maybe I'm a little jaded at this point, but Republican senators won't say anything negative about Trump. They are still afraid of his base, and their main purpose in life is to get re-elected.

Do you believe they are making private criticism? Talk is cheap - if you don't put pressure on him in public or do something actively in private, you are complicit. IMHO
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Originally Posted by Dr. Keith View Post
She would be good, but not as good as him. Don't believe me, ask him.
That's why after she's inaugurated in 2029 after his third term, he'll still sit in the oval office and make all the decisions.
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Trump tells reporters border wall is ‘wired’, immediately after army general asks him not to discuss in public.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-tells-r...111903952.html
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Old 19th September 2019, 06:38 AM   #92
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
Trump tells reporters border wall is ‘wired’, immediately after army general asks him not to discuss in public.

https://news.yahoo.com/trump-tells-r...111903952.html

Imagine him in the 1940s. "Normandy isn't going to know what hit it!!"
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Old 19th September 2019, 06:43 AM   #93
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Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
Though you're probably right, I think if senators were bothered by Trump's blabbermouth tendencies they would not make a lot of public pronouncements about it, so I wouldn't assume their lack of public criticism means everything's OK.

I used to kind of like Lindsey Graham but those days are long gone. Still, he squeaked a little about Trump's response to Iran shooting down a drone and I'm certain he knows far more than Trump does about national security.

I'm not sure the post-presidency Trump will have much to offer in terms of secrets. For one thing he bungles the facts so badly that depending on him for accurate intel would be stupid.
I don't see Graham's tweet as criticizing Trump necessarily. He called Trump's decision "measured". That is a positive term. He said that it was interpreted as a sign of weakness, not that it should have been interpreted thus nor that there was a better alternative.

Such nuance was, of course, lost on Trump.
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Old 25th September 2019, 10:56 AM   #95
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And what do we do when he's out of office? What's to prevent him from sending MORE secrets to allies or enemies? I don't count on Republican senators to be queasy and even if they are they won't DO anything.
Well, the good news is that he's not likely to remember any significant secrets for more than 30 minutes after he's out of office. Or his memory of them will be so muddled that he will actually be an effective disinformation agent.
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Old 6th December 2019, 11:24 AM   #96
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Time to bump this thread, this time with information relating to the Ukraine/impeachment inquiry...

From: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-giuli...nt-cia-1475868
Trump's alleged ongoing use of an unsecured phone line means his apparent calls with Rudy Giuliani were likely listened in on by Russian intelligence services...

A lot of this is circumstantial... no direct evidence that Russians listened in, just calls in various phone logs from an unsecured number, and testimony from people familiar with Trump indicating he often uses a personal cell phone because it won't be logged. Still, Trump hasn't given any reason to think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
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Trump is definitely insecure.
You stole my joke.

Except it's not a joke.
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Time to bump this thread, this time with information relating to the Ukraine/impeachment inquiry...

From: https://www.newsweek.com/trump-giuli...nt-cia-1475868
Trump's alleged ongoing use of an unsecured phone line means his apparent calls with Rudy Giuliani were likely listened in on by Russian intelligence services...

A lot of this is circumstantial... no direct evidence that Russians listened in, just calls in various phone logs from an unsecured number, and testimony from people familiar with Trump indicating he often uses a personal cell phone because it won't be logged. Still, Trump hasn't given any reason to think he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
...and every reason not to be given the benefit of the doubt.
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And what do we do when he's out of office? What's to prevent him from sending MORE secrets to allies or enemies? I don't count on Republican senators to be queasy and even if they are they won't DO anything.
At the moment, I don't think anybody's ruling out the possibility that "when he's out of office" might mean "when he died of old age a decade after cancelling the 2024 election."

At which point "what [edit] we do when he's out of office?" is "Continue to follow St Petersburg's orders."
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Just finished the audio book of Proof of Conspiracy by Seth Abramson, and he brings this up, too. Whenever Trump is on the phone, you can bet all of America's rivals and enemies are listening in.
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Old 14th January 2020, 01:27 PM   #101
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Another possible security breach by Trump....

From: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/14/warr...-iran-tip.html
Presidential contender Elizabeth Warren is demanding a federal investigation into whether President Donald Trump provided advance notice of the deadly strike on Iran’s Gen. Qasem Soleimani to stock traders who may have profited illegally from the tip....“If this report is true, it raises a number of troubling national security questions regarding President Trump’s handling of classified and other sensitive national security information”

But, but her emails!
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I really keep thinking this thread should be titled "tRump's Insecurity Issues" because they're so unsurprisingly related.
Well said.
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Another possible security breach by Trump....

From: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/14/warr...-iran-tip.html
Presidential contender Elizabeth Warren is demanding a federal investigation into whether President Donald Trump provided advance notice of the deadly strike on Iran’s Gen. Qasem Soleimani to stock traders who may have profited illegally from the tip....“If this report is true, it raises a number of troubling national security questions regarding President Trump’s handling of classified and other sensitive national security information”

But, but her emails!
to be fair, those big investors really, really Needed to know, in the interest of personal gain.
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Imagine him in the 1940s. "Normandy isn't going to know what hit it!!"

At least de Gaulle only shared such things with his tailor.
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Time to dust off this thread...

Woodward's book (and the supporting audio recordings) has caused a lot of controversy with allegations that Trump downplayed Covid-19, but there were other issues as well:

From: The Daily Beast
President Trump openly bragged to Bob Woodward about a secret nuclear weapons system.... “I have built a nuclear—a weapons system that nobody’s ever had in this country before,” Trump said.

Ignoring the fact that Trump was making it sound like he was personally responsible (with the "I have built...")....

I'm surprised. Not that Trump has risked national security (again), but that he did so to an AMERICAN journalist. But I guess that's a step up from when he was bragging to Russian journalists before. See? He's a proud American.
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Time to dust off this thread...

Woodward's book (and the supporting audio recordings) has caused a lot of controversy with allegationsTrump admitting on tape that Trump downplayed Covid-19, but there were other issues as well:

From: The Daily Beast
President Trump openly bragged to Bob Woodward about a secret nuclear weapons system.... “I have built a nuclear—a weapons system that nobody’s ever had in this country before,” Trump said.

Ignoring the fact that Trump was making it sound like he was personally responsible (with the "I have built...")....

I'm surprised. Not that Trump has risked national security (again), but that he did so to an AMERICAN journalist. But I guess that's a step up from when he was bragging to Russian journalists before. See? He's a proud American.
Fixed that for you.
As for the main content, wow. Just wow.
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I find it interesting that only republican voice here was republican snowflake that whined about people being mean to his Fuhrer.

That's it. No disputing security problem allegations. Looks like other usual suspects wisely stayed out of this thread.
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I find it interesting that only republican voice here was republican snowflake that whined about people being mean to his Fuhrer.

That's it. No disputing security problem allegations. Looks like other usual suspects wisely stayed out of this thread.
Because nobody likes or supports Trump so they don't defend him. His only use is as a troll against the libs. The Trumpers generally don't feel a need to swoop in and defend his honor just for its own sake.

So when the question is only "Did he do something wrong?" there's rarely any discussion. Sure occasionally someone will treat the pure semantics as a chewtoy or do some bog standard contrarian routine, but it rarely it has the meat of a good "Is Trump finally bad enough?" thread which brings the troll army out in full force.

Long story short they are only care about Trump when he's "in our head, rent free."
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I'm of two minds. There's this "theory" that Trump is just this instrument they wield against the dumb liberals, like a rusty old tool you only use because it's all you have at the time, only to discard it the instant you get your hands on something better. The minute Trump loses the election (knock on wood), he will have outlived his usefulness, and they will abandon him.

Then there is the "Trump cult" theory, where his supporters really live in echo chambers where Trump really is portrayed as a competent person doing a good job.

I suppose the truth is there's Trump supporters in both categories, with some overlap. Lots of the supporters in the second category will probably cheer him on when he does things they dislike, just to troll the libs.

Then there are, I suppose, the people who are apalled by much of what Trump does, but plan to hold their nose and vote for him because he's for example the only one who stands between Good Christian America as we know it and the evils of globalism/communism/death of rural America/some other real or imagined peril, and they think that for all his faults, they need him.
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I'm of two minds. There's this "theory" that Trump is just this instrument they wield against the dumb liberals, like a rusty old tool you only use because it's all you have at the time, only to discard it the instant you get your hands on something better. The minute Trump loses the election (knock on wood), he will have outlived his usefulness, and they will abandon him.

Then there is the "Trump cult" theory, where his supporters really live in echo chambers where Trump really is portrayed as a competent person doing a good job.

I suppose the truth is there's Trump supporters in both categories, with some overlap. Lots of the supporters in the second category will probably cheer him on when he does things they dislike, just to troll the libs.

Then there are, I suppose, the people who are apalled by much of what Trump does, but plan to hold their nose and vote for him because he's for example the only one who stands between Good Christian America as we know it and the evils of globalism/communism/death of rural America/some other real or imagined peril, and they think that for all his faults, they need him.
IMO the vast majority of the 40%+ who still approve of President Trump's performance fall into the highlighted category

I would say that this is a damning indictment of the US electorate, but the UK is just as bad - if not worse - with our continued support of Boris Johnson's incompetent, corrupt government.
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I don't think there's a difference between the Trump "LOL Lookit the triggered Libs hardy har" trolls and the "Trump is the last brick in the wall between real 'Murica and Godless communist deep state pedophile NWO socialism." except in the surface level minitua of how they rationalize it.

It's like the Trump True Believers can actually explain or articulate what he's supposed to be doing or make better anymore than the Trump Troller do.

"I like Trump being I enjoy seeing those sissy latte sipping libruls with their fancy book learning have steam come out of their ears" and "I'd rather Trump burn the country to the ground then see a Liberal President because no matter what Trump does a liberal would still be worse" are close enough for me to lump into the same category.
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I don't think there's a difference between the Trump "LOL Lookit the triggered Libs hardy har" trolls and the "Trump is the last brick in the wall between real 'Murica and Godless communist deep state pedophile NWO socialism." except in the surface level minitua of how they rationalize it.

It's like the Trump True Believers can actually explain or articulate what he's supposed to be doing or make better anymore than the Trump Troller do.

"I like Trump being I enjoy seeing those sissy latte sipping libruls with their fancy book learning have steam come out of their ears" and "I'd rather Trump burn the country to the ground then see a Liberal President because no matter what Trump does a liberal would still be worse" are close enough for me to lump into the same category.
There's certainly no differences for the blinder having leftists who think anyone who disagrees with them in the slightest way is a trumpkin. The trolling of the triggered is deserved.
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There's certainly no differences for the blinder having leftists who think anyone who disagrees with them in the slightest way is a trumpkin.
I note distinct lack of defense against allegation of security problems involving Trump.

Originally Posted by rockysmith76 View Post
The trolling of the triggered is deserved.
Oh, we already know for long time you are here just to troll and lie.
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