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Old 4th September 2020, 03:53 PM   #41
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I think I'm with you on this, assuming I've grokked the point, which is at best a shaky assumptions...
The point being, the brazen collusion in 2016 (that you somehow managed to not know about), not to mention the attempt to strong arm Ukraine, were bold steps down a path to madness.
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Old 4th September 2020, 04:20 PM   #42
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The point being, the brazen collusion in 2016 (that you somehow managed to not know about), not to mention the attempt to strong arm Ukraine, were bold steps down a path to madness.
There wasn't any brazen collusion. There was Russian interference via social media, definitely. But there wasn't the kind of collusion that was way overplayed in the media. I read Mueller's report. I'll give you obstruction, definitely, but no collusion.
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Old 6th September 2020, 05:49 PM   #43
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Foreign citizens should encourage their governments to oppose the US by any means they have available and advocate for us to be brought under UN authority as a rogue nation.
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Old 6th September 2020, 05:52 PM   #44
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Foreign citizens should encourage their governments to oppose the US by any means they have available and advocate for us to be brought under UN authority as a rogue nation.
Well, if you want Trump to actually WIN in November, yeah.
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Originally Posted by ChristianProgressive View Post
Foreign citizens should encourage their governments to oppose the US by any means they have available and advocate for us to be brought under UN authority as a rogue nation.
OLOL. What exactly do you imagine UN authority is? Rogue nation from what?
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Old 6th September 2020, 06:04 PM   #46
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The point being, the brazen collusion in 2016 (that you somehow managed to not know about), not to mention the attempt to strong arm Ukraine, were bold steps down a path to madness.
I think people miss the point that there was a Russian plot, i.e., collusion, to interfere.

Trump's "no collusion" declarations caused many to believe that there was no attempted Russian interference at all, which even Republican senators agree did occur.
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Old 6th September 2020, 10:42 PM   #47
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Moreover, we know about ...

(1) "Russia if you're listening..." They were.
(2) Manafort providing Russian Intel with polling data
(3) Stone as intermediary to Wikileaks
(4) Infamous meeting in Trump Tower ... "I love it!"

No collusion = steaming BS of a high order.
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Old 7th September 2020, 10:25 AM   #48
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Maybe I'm too nihilistic but I struggle to see how people can both feel informed enough regarding their local politics and other non-local politics and have the time to engage in both (or perhaps just the foreign politics?). I can't keep up with any of this stuff.
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