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Old 7th September 2020, 11:36 PM   #41
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We have to remember that he makes almost everyone around him sign NDA's for a reason.
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Old 8th September 2020, 03:44 AM   #42
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2006 to 2018
Thanks.

So 12 years of constant employment, which includes 8 years prior to the presidency, being his personal fixer in all ways. Getting him tricks, paying off tricks, nefarious deals, standing up in courts and lying his pasty white ass off. The consummate servile lackey.

And yet only now when the book comes out does Trump start labelling him a worthless psycho loser, etc., all the usual stuff we have come to expect from Donny.

He was with you for 12 years, Donny. And you used him to bail and wipe your great lard ass from its predictable fetid cesspools you dragged it into. And in all that time you failed completely to identify or "fire" Cohen for being the lying loser you now say he is.

Says far more about you as a judge of character, Donny, than it does about Cohen's multiple sins. At least Cohen tried to get out of the cesspit. You are still wallowing in it.
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Old 8th September 2020, 05:41 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
We have to remember that he makes almost everyone around him sign NDA's for a reason.
Funfact #3921: NDAs are not enforceable when it comes to covering up actual crimes. No contract is legal if it requires participation in crime.
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Funfact #3921: NDAs are not enforceable when it comes to covering up actual crimes. No contract is legal if it requires participation in crime.
True. But it does keep people from telling about such things like "I heard Trump call dead soldiers and marines 'losers'."
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Old 8th September 2020, 10:43 AM   #45
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From WaPo: Cohen writes that before winning the presidency, Trump held a meeting at Trump Tower with prominent evangelical leaders, where they laid their hands on him in prayer. Afterward, Trump allegedly said: “Can you believe that bulls--t? Can you believe people believe that bulls--t?”

They're losers and suckers.
I humor myself that any reasonable Politician thinks the same thing.

Need the support, of course. But if one is not rational enough to know ******** when one hears it- making decisions on the Peoples' behalf should be right out.
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Old 8th September 2020, 02:42 PM   #46
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The Guardian with new details about the not so nice Trump family.
Not that it will concern the "family values" voters.

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Disloyal also offers Cohen’s side of the story about hush money payments to Stormy Daniels, a porn star, and Karen McDougal, a Playboy model, who claimed affairs with Trump which Trump denies. Those payments, the mechanics of which Cohen explains, are at the heart of an attempt by prosecutors in New York to obtain financial information Trump has refused to disclose.

Cohen says Trump was not concerned that the first lady might leave him.

“I can always get another wife,” he says Trump told him. “That’s no problem for me. If she wants to go, so be it.”
More about the Trump children in the article.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...family-dynamic

ETA: another useful article: I Found All the Most Deranged Trump Anecdotes From Michael Cohen's Disloyal, So You Don't Have To Read the Cursed Book
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Old 8th September 2020, 03:19 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by Firestone View Post
The Guardian with new details about the not so nice Trump family.
Not that it will concern the "family values" voters.



More about the Trump children in the article.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...family-dynamic

ETA: another useful article: I Found All the Most Deranged Trump Anecdotes From Michael Cohen's Disloyal, So You Don't Have To Read the Cursed Book
I finally found something i agree with Trump about:

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“‘What the **** is wrong with you?’ Trump screamed at his namesake. ‘You think you’re a big man sitting on the rocks and then boom! You kill some ******* animal? Then you drag your brother into this ********? Why the **** would you post photos like that? Get the **** out of my office.’”

Donald Jr, Cohen writes, “left without a word, head downcast”.

The president’s distaste for his sons’ hunting was also detailed in Melania & Me, a recent tell-all by Stephanie Winston Wolkoff, a former aide and friend to the first lady.
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Cohen writes: “The truth was that all three kids were starved for their father’s love … abandoned by their egomaniacal dad and humiliated when he openly cheated on their mother, and now all three are forever trapped in a cycle of seeking his attention.”
This was the same story that Mary Trump wrote about in her book. Fred Trump Sr. ignored his children and they were basically starved for attention from him. They'd do anything for his attention and love which is what drove her father to alcoholism and to abandon his career in aviation. We see Don Jr, Eric, and Ivanka all working for the Trump Org. just as all Fred Trump's children did. We see the same public adoration. The cycle is repeating itself.
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Old 8th September 2020, 04:06 PM   #48
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According to Michael Cohen, Trump's intense hatred for Obama dates from the 2008 election.

Excerpt from the book:
Attachment 43018

https://twitter.com/braggs91/status/1303204873438199809
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Just so we know: How long did Cohen work for Trump?
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2006 to 2018
So after KNOWING what kind of a person Trump was in 2008, he continued working for him for another 10 years! What an *******.
The enemy of my enemy is the enemy of my enemy, but not necessarily my friend. Kind of like The Lincoln Project.
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Old 8th September 2020, 04:19 PM   #49
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I don't think anyone is claiming Cohen doesn't stink. But sometimes people really do decide they just have had enough of the **** and want to come clean. Especially when they've got nothing more to lose.
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So after KNOWING what kind of a person Trump was in 2008, he continued working for him for another 10 years! What an *******.
The enemy of my enemy is the enemy of my enemy, but not necessarily my friend. Kind of like The Lincoln Project.
True. In that situation it is understandable to be cautious.

But in judging whether he is being honest with his current claims, you have to consider whether there is corroborating evidence, and/or whether what he says fits in with Trump's actions/personality.

For example:

- Cohen claimed that Trump made disparaging comments about Madela and other black leaders. Is it believable? Well, Trump has used the term "****-hole countries", so Trump making other racist comments seems to fit in with Trump's personality

- We know that Trump is not a religious person, so him making derogatory comments about evangelicals also seems to fit in
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Old 8th September 2020, 05:22 PM   #51
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I believe Cohen had a couple of motives for writing this book. One, of course, he knew he would probably make a lot of money and wanted to profit. Fine. But the flip side of the coin, gave it dual-purpose. It was also finally a way for him to say, "Gotcha", to the one who threw him under the bus.
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Old 8th September 2020, 05:41 PM   #52
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I believe Cohen had a couple of motives for writing this book. One, of course, he knew he would probably make a lot of money and wanted to profit. Fine. But the flip side of the coin, gave it dual-purpose. It was also finally a way for him to say, "Gotcha", to the one who threw him under the bus.
Okay, sure. So where's the "gotcha"?
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True. But it does keep people from telling about such things like "I heard Trump call dead soldiers and marines 'losers'."
I doubt any NDA protecting POTUS is enforceable. And if it is, it shouldn't be.
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Not so much a 'gotcha' as 'this is what I have heard you say, have seen you do, and know about you."
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I doubt any NDA protecting POTUS is enforceable. And if it is, it shouldn't be.
Why not unless it's about a crime?
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Old 8th September 2020, 05:49 PM   #56
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The Guardian with new details about the not so nice Trump family.
Not that it will concern the "family values" voters.



More about the Trump children in the article.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...family-dynamic

ETA: another useful article: I Found All the Most Deranged Trump Anecdotes From Michael Cohen's Disloyal, So You Don't Have To Read the Cursed Book
That last piece, by Esther Wang, featured an HILARIOUS description by Cohen of the process by which Rump's hair is erected into its final construct. Flip, flap, flop. And it referenced "Hair Force One." If Cohen wrought that prose, he's got a good sense of humor. I guffawed!
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Okay, sure. So where's the "gotcha"?
For Trumpers and apologists, quite imperceptible through the impenetrable and impermeable veil erected between eyes and cerebral cortex.
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It was also finally a way for him to say, "Gotcha", to the one who threw him under the bus.
Okay, sure. So where's the "gotcha"?
Not exactly an earth-shattering revelation, but its possible that the release of this book (and the claims it makes) will divert some of the media attention away from whatever attacks might have been planning against Biden. It puts him on the defensive (at least for a short period of time).
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I doubt any NDA protecting POTUS is enforceable. And if it is, it shouldn't be.
Why not unless it's about a crime?
I think a case could be made that it would risk putting the president at risk of blackmail.... i.e. if the information was damaging politically or personally, either the person who signed the NDA (or others familiar with the material) might try to use it as leverage against a sitting president.
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I doubt any NDA protecting POTUS is enforceable. And if it is, it shouldn't be.
People who work for POTUS are employed by the federal government, not him. He can't enforce an NDA.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...ing-ncna900706
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People who work for POTUS are employed by the federal government, not him. He can't enforce an NDA.
https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinio...ing-ncna900706
The question is does an NDA for conduct of a President or Presidential candidate that predates taking office enforceable? I would argue that it doesn't as the public has a legitimate right to know information that might affect their votes.
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It's rather certain that Cohen won't work as a lawyer anymore.
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It's rather certain that Cohen won't work as a lawyer anymore.
No, as he's been disbarred.
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According to Michael Cohen, Trump's intense hatred for Obama dates from the 2008 election.

Excerpt from the book:
Attachment 43018

https://twitter.com/braggs91/status/1303204873438199809
Really, I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised, considering his insistence that the wrongly-jailed "Central Park 5" should still have been in jail, and his seething hatred of indigenous people due to their successful casino operations (when he managed to go bankrupt in the same line by oversaturating Atlantic City). It's really standard white supremacism - he's happy with black people that know their place, but a black guy as Leader of the Free World? That's an outrage to him, and he, the mighty white man, must fix all of the things that stupid negro must have ruined.

Back in the real world - Obama, like his peers, is an accomplished man, and Dolt 45 is a tabloid clown who is really only useful for laundering money for more competent criminal syndicates than his little family.
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Really, I'm not sure why anyone would be surprised, considering his insistence that the wrongly-jailed "Central Park 5" should still have been in jail, and his seething hatred of indigenous people due to their successful casino operations (when he managed to go bankrupt in the same line by oversaturating Atlantic City). It's really standard white supremacism - he's happy with black people that know their place, but a black guy as Leader of the Free World? That's an outrage to him, and he, the mighty white man, must fix all of the things that stupid negro must have ruined.

Back in the real world - Obama, like his peers, is an accomplished man, and Dolt 45 is a tabloid clown who is really only useful for laundering money for more competent criminal syndicates than his little family.
That's the sad part of this story: nothing Cohen tells, however saucy the details, is really that surprising.

What's surprising and discouraging is how resilient 40 to 45% of Americans are about all this (not meaning Cohen's book specifically, but everything we already have known for years about Trumps behaviour, racism, grifting, pettiness, etc...).
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Nothing Cohen has said about Trump has surprised me; it's only made me revile Trump even more. That is what has surprised me because I didn't think that was possible.
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Nothing Cohen has said about Trump has surprised me; it's only made me revile Trump even more. That is what has surprised me because I didn't think that was possible.
....and yet 40% to 45% of the US electorate will read those excerpts (if they actually do read them) and President Trump will actually go up in their estimation.
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....and yet 40% to 45% of the US electorate will read those excerpts (if they actually do read them) and President Trump will actually go up in their estimation.
I know. And that's why I have no respect for them.
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We really live in the dumbest of timelines:

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First time problem: I cannot read the thread. I don't even have the book and all the nuggets have been mined by the news!

It's my first Trump focused book. I don't really care abut Trump's niece's book. I am sort interested only in how the Trump election happened. But I will read the majority of books on that (political analysts etc) only when we are done with Trump. For now, to election, this Cohen book is just entertainment.

Not like I needed any more data to round out my impression of a narcissistic TV personality. I will also quit reading twitter pretty soon, and delete my current Twitter account. I'll start one in my real name in 2021.
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The book topped the Amazon best seller list. Maybe Indigo was wrong, there might be money in the revenge business.
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....and yet 40% to 45% of the US electorate will read those excerpts (if they actually do read them) and President Trump will actually go up in their estimation.
I think it's more like 35 percent. There are Trump supporters and lean Trump voters. There's a small hope that there are still enough straws out there to break their camels' backs. We know he loses voters from the lean Trump voters and the Obama-Trump voters.
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Obviously not a fan of Michael Cohen, and no way I'll pay to read his book, but still appreciate that he got a The Lord of the Rings reference in his book

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I was like Gollum in The Lord of the Rings, lusting after the power that would come from possessing the White House—“my precious”—and I was more than willing to lie, cheat, and bully to win. Trump was the only person I had ever encountered who I believed could actually pull off that feat, and I recognized early the raw talent and charisma and pure ruthless ambition to succeed he possessed. I saw what others didn’t, what others thought was a joke, at their own peril, and that was my true motive. I knew Trump would do whatever was necessary to win. I just lacked the imagination and moral purpose to actually think about what that would mean for America, the world, for me, and for my family. Because here’s the thing: When you sell your soul, you do exactly that: sell your soul.

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Obviously not a fan of Michael Cohen, and no way I'll pay to read his book, but still appreciate that he got a The Lord of the Rings reference in his book
That's a level of self-awareness I was not expecting.
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That's a level of self-awareness I was not expecting.
Neither did I.

I've read parts of Bolton's book, and the lack of any self-awareness or self-criticism is the most striking part of it (it's also very boring).
The excerpts I've read from Cohen's book are really on an other level
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Neither did I.

I've read parts of Bolton's book, and the lack of any self-awareness or self-criticism is the most striking part of it (it's also very boring).
The excerpts I've read from Cohen's book are really on an other level
Bolton's premise was, "Trump was wrong". Cohen's premise seems to be that, "I was wrong".
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Old 9th September 2020, 07:19 AM   #77
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He says Trump said Obama only got into Harvard because of affirmative action....

Oh dear.
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He's still the same blithering and blathering idiot.
I don't know, if I were one of the stupidest people in this as well as the mirror universe, I don't think I'd be bullhorning around all the time to make sure as many people, goateed or not, knew it.

But maybe that's just me.
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Originally Posted by Firestone View Post
The Guardian with new details about the not so nice Trump family.
Not that it will concern the "family values" voters.
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Disloyal also offers Cohen’s side of the story about hush money payments to Stormy Daniels, a porn star, and Karen McDougal, a Playboy model, who claimed affairs with Trump which Trump denies. Those payments, the mechanics of which Cohen explains, are at the heart of an attempt by prosecutors in New York to obtain financial information Trump has refused to disclose.

Cohen says Trump was not concerned that the first lady might leave him.

“I can always get another wife,” he says Trump told him. “That’s no problem for me. If she wants to go, so be it.”
He speaks in comic book balloonese.
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Originally Posted by Venom View Post
He says Trump said Obama only got into Harvard because of affirmative action....

Oh dear.
Whereas Trump couldn't get in because he's an idiot.
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No, as he's been disbarred.
Sometimes a lawyer can be reinstated although that is highly unlikely. Not that he worked as a lawyer before.
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