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Old 9th September 2020, 09:39 AM   #81
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Bolton's premise was, "Trump was wrong". Cohen's premise seems to be that, "I was wrong".

In his TV interviews, he has said so explicitly: he belonged to the Trump cult.
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“I describe Mr. Trump as a cult leader, and I was in this cult,” Cohen, referring to his book, “Disloyal,” told NBC’s Lester Holt.

“While I was in the cult, I was really refusing to acknowledge that the actions I was performing for my boss were morally wrong,” Cohen added.
https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...to-cult-leader

I note that he still refers to his long-time boss as Mr. Trump.
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Old 9th September 2020, 09:46 AM   #82
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The Trump tragedy, for him and for us, is that he never had the thinnest shred of self-awareness or insight. He became President after Obama had established an era of peace and prosperity. Trump could have appointed competent people to the top jobs, stood back and let them do what they do best, and taken on an avuncular, man-of-the-people personae. His desperate, vicious insecurity has done us all in.
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That's a stopped-clock moment for Trump right there!
Trump has a few of those. But the frequency is much lower than an actual stopped clock.
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He says Trump said Obama only got into Harvard because of affirmative action....
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Oh dear.
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He's still the same blithering and blathering idiot.
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I don't know, if I were one of the stupidest people in this as well as the mirror universe, I don't think I'd be bullhorning around all the time to make sure as many people, goateed or not, knew it.

But maybe that's just me.
Um....that's what idiots do: you do stupid things like bullhorning around all the time to make sure as many people, goateed or not, knew it.
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Old 9th September 2020, 01:30 PM   #85
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Okay so I broke down and bought the audio book. He's pretty credible so far. Bolton was decidedly not credible. In fact when Cohen unflinchingly writes about his own guilt, It's in stark relief to Bolton's condescension.
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(Spoilers: )Post Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:06 am

So far, in the first couple of chapters of the Cohen book, cohen catches on to what Trump is about. He wanted to make a buck ln every deal, but in deals gone bad it was a strategy to pull out and still look good that was needed. Trump pulls out of casino that he had lent his name to, by license agreement. The real owners and board are left to deal with the bankruptcy after Cohen charges that they defaulted on the casino license deal by letting it run down. No money gained, but Trump saves face and transfers blame.

For the most part it did not work when Trump was president. But in the impeachment there was a lot of that. Senate republicans substituted for Cohen.
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Does he get into his life at all? I'm really curious about if he actually was involved in minor mob stuff in brighton beach.
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Old 10th September 2020, 07:38 AM   #88
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Did not get that far. But Cohen mostly dealt with plaintiffs' lawyers. You could not challenge Trump without a lawyer.
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Old 11th September 2020, 02:04 AM   #89
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I'm surprised that the casual revelation that Trump forced himself upon a woman and pushed her onto his 12-year-old daughter's bed at Mara-Lago didn't get more play. Cohen describes the event as the first of the catch and kills he engaged in with the "Enquirer". Cohen goes into how the catch and kill process worked but I was listening to it (I got the audio book) and I couldn't get past that Trump tried to rape a woman on his own daughter's bed. The woman wriggled free (according to Cohen) and Trump only succeeded in groping her. Cohen goes on to describe his own guilt in the matter before explaining the relationship with David Pecker and the "Enquirer". He is unflinching in that. I could hardly focus on anything after, "Pushed her on his daughter's bed".
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I'm surprised that the casual revelation that Trump forced himself upon a woman and pushed her onto his 12-year-old daughter's bed at Mara-Lago didn't get more play. Cohen describes the event as the first of the catch and kills he engaged in with the "Enquirer". Cohen goes into how the catch and kill process worked but I was listening to it (I got the audio book) and I couldn't get past that Trump tried to rape a woman on his own daughter's bed. The woman wriggled free (according to Cohen) and Trump only succeeded in groping her. Cohen goes on to describe his own guilt in the matter before explaining the relationship with David Pecker and the "Enquirer". He is unflinching in that. I could hardly focus on anything after, "Pushed her on his daughter's bed".


Truly a man send by god.

But thanks for taking one for the team and telling us what you find in the book.
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Old 11th September 2020, 02:41 AM   #91
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Originally Posted by Craig4 View Post
I'm surprised that the casual revelation that Trump forced himself upon a woman and pushed her onto his 12-year-old daughter's bed at Mara-Lago didn't get more play. Cohen describes the event as the first of the catch and kills he engaged in with the "Enquirer". Cohen goes into how the catch and kill process worked but I was listening to it (I got the audio book) and I couldn't get past that Trump tried to rape a woman on his own daughter's bed. The woman wriggled free (according to Cohen) and Trump only succeeded in groping her. Cohen goes on to describe his own guilt in the matter before explaining the relationship with David Pecker and the "Enquirer". He is unflinching in that. I could hardly focus on anything after, "Pushed her on his daughter's bed".
Remember Trump raped his first wife but he got whoever was his fixer then to get her to change her book so it was "not rape rape".

We know 100% that Trump committed at least one act of serious physical assault on one of his wives, but we knew this decades ago, we knew from his own words that he does not gain consent before sexually molesting (at the lowest level but probably should be viewed as assault) women. We knew that he views under 16 year old girls as objects of sexual desire prior to his winning the election, we know that he viewed - at least when she was younger - his own daughter in terms of sexual attractiveness.

I really don't think people learning about another instance of such behaviour will change their mind about Trump.
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Remember Trump raped his first wife but he got whoever was his fixer then to get her to change her book so it was "not rape rape".

We know 100% that Trump committed at least one act of serious physical assault on one of his wives, but we knew this decades ago, we knew from his own words that he does not gain consent before sexually molesting (at the lowest level but probably should be viewed as assault) women. We knew that he views under 16 year old girls as objects of sexual desire prior to his winning the election, we know that he viewed - at least when she was younger - his own daughter in terms of sexual attractiveness.

I really don't think people learning about another instance of such behaviour will change their mind about Trump.

FAKE NEWS!
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Old 11th September 2020, 03:11 PM   #93
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Sometimes a lawyer can be reinstated although that is highly unlikely. Not that he worked as a lawyer before.
I liked this comment from a Jezebel article, when someone noted Cohen was willing to serve up juicy gossip, but not evidence of criminality:
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Hard to get those deets from a fixer who is a lawyer. There are certain things you’re not allowed to disclose. Yes, even after you’re fired, yes, even if they’re the most repulsive human ever. That’s why you want your fixer to be a lawyer, so they can’t rat on you.
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Old 11th September 2020, 04:17 PM   #94
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I liked this comment from a Jezebel article, when someone noted Cohen was willing to serve up juicy gossip, but not evidence of criminality:
Since he's already been disbarred, violating his ethical canons probably isn't a major worry. But he could still be sued for alleging crimes that he can't prove, and in some cases he might be implicating himself. But he has said he's working with the New York state authorities so there might be more to come.
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Since he's already been disbarred, violating his ethical canons probably isn't a major worry. But he could still be sued for alleging crimes that he can't prove, and in some cases he might be implicating himself. But he has said he's working with the New York state authorities so there might be more to come.
Please, please, please, please, please, please.................
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The Cohen book so far...100 pages... describes Trump as the superficial petson he is. The Cohen parts have a somewhat concocted storybook feel. He describes all his bad deeds but not in a very deep manner."I'm off the hook now." But I will say that analysts and historians will have to consult this as the facts as to why Trump ran. He was bored. He hated and envied Obama and always considered him axforeigner, no matter the facts. That rolled into Twitter birther attacks. There really isn't much else from the Trump camp to go on.

Trump "leadership" and dealing with underlings is identical in the presidency to when he was a businessman. In the Cohen era it was mostly bluff and licensing rather than $ invested.
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The Cohen book so far...100 pages... describes Trump as the superficial petson he is. The Cohen parts have a somewhat concocted storybook feel. He describes all his bad deeds but not in a very deep manner."I'm off the hook now." But I will say that analysts and historians will have to consult this as the facts as to why Trump ran. He was bored. He hated and envied Obama and always considered him axforeigner, no matter the facts. That rolled into Twitter birther attacks. There really isn't much else from the Trump camp to go on.

Trump "leadership" and dealing with underlings is identical in the presidency to when he was a businessman. In the Cohen era it was mostly bluff and licensing rather than $ invested.
Trump endorsed a conspiracy theory that Violated the Laws of Physics as described in the works of James Clark Maxwell, on the word of a Debunked 9/11Twoofer Follower of Dr. Steven E Jones, Lyte Tripp, and Dylan Avery, and your wondering if he is all fake?
If I wasn't a Poor Man I could have stopped all this but a poor man can't fight a billionaire who could make him disappear.
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Where did I say Trump was not fake? I did give Cohen some credit now that he is a never Trumper.
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The Cohen book so far...100 pages... describes Trump as the superficial petson he is. The Cohen parts have a somewhat concocted storybook feel. He describes all his bad deeds but not in a very deep manner."I'm off the hook now." But I will say that analysts and historians will have to consult this as the facts as to why Trump ran. He was bored. He hated and envied Obama and always considered him axforeigner, no matter the facts. That rolled into Twitter birther attacks. There really isn't much else from the Trump camp to go on.

Trump "leadership" and dealing with underlings is identical in the presidency to when he was a businessman. In the Cohen era it was mostly bluff and licensing rather than $ invested.
I'm starting to have a hard time with his, "but you don't know what it's like," excuse when he talks about being under Trump's spell. It's fairly transparent that Cohen was in it for the money and connections (which led to more money). I will buy that Cohen liked and relished being a tough guy for Trump. I don't buy that he was in some kind of spell of Trump's. He does still seem to be completely open about his transgressions though.
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Where did I say Trump was not fake? I did give Cohen some credit now that he is a never Trumper.
Sorry I was referring to the bluff and Buster part when Trump is more than that he is a Scam, I knew that when he came to Louisville Kentucky with Oprah Winfrey for the Kentucky Derby, and I met him, he was pissed I stole his lime light because I was in Ripley's.
Saddly I didn't get to meet Oprah Winfrey she had to leave early.
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Cohen claims that he was in the room when Donny Junior came in and informed him that the meeting with the Russians was all set and about to take place. He also describes how he continued to work on the Trump Tower Moscow deal during the campaign and a bit about the mid level Russian Mafia he was dealing with (though he claims he was trying to cut them out).

From Mary Trump's book and earlier in Cohen's book it's a bit hard to swallow that Trump didn't know about or authorize the meeting with the Russians. The nitts who grew into lice simply didn't make decisions without daddy's blessing.

Cohen devots almost a full chapter or Corey Lewandowski, describing the then campaign manager's actions in attempting to plant a story that Jared Kushner was gay and Ivanka was having an affair. Trump wanted to keep Lewandowski on even after Cohen brought proof of the leak.

I was amused by Cohen's description of the humiliating dressing down both elder sons got over their African hunting trip. It seems Trump is an animal lover, unless their breaded and deep fried with a side of onion rings. He thought shooting a bunch of animals with a high powered rifle wasn't particularly manly.

Cohen actually seems to be sympathetic to the older sons, almost pitying them because of the way Trump delights in their public humiliation.
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Cohen claims that he was in the room when Donny Junior came in and informed him that the meeting with the Russians was all set and about to take place. He also describes how he continued to work on the Trump Tower Moscow deal during the campaign and a bit about the mid level Russian Mafia he was dealing with (though he claims he was trying to cut them out).

From Mary Trump's book and earlier in Cohen's book it's a bit hard to swallow that Trump didn't know about or authorize the meeting with the Russians. The nitts who grew into lice simply didn't make decisions without daddy's blessing.
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In interviews about his own book, Peter Strzok has said that's what made Trump vulnerable to Russian blackmail: Trump was actively trying to make a deal with Russia, and when he lied about it repeatedly Putin knew he was lying and could reveal it. Paradoxically, if Trump had just said "I've been trying for years to build a hotel in Moscow, but the Russians aren't interested," it would have been close to the truth, and probably not many people would have cared.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/vi..._russians.html
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Cohen claims that he was in the room when Donny Junior came in and informed him that the meeting with the Russians was all set and about to take place. He also describes how he continued to work on the Trump Tower Moscow deal during the campaign and a bit about the mid level Russian Mafia he was dealing with (though he claims he was trying to cut them out).

From Mary Trump's book and earlier in Cohen's book it's a bit hard to swallow that Trump didn't know about or authorize the meeting with the Russians. The nitts who grew into lice simply didn't make decisions without daddy's blessing.

Cohen devots almost a full chapter or Corey Lewandowski, describing the then campaign manager's actions in attempting to plant a story that Jared Kushner was gay and Ivanka was having an affair. Trump wanted to keep Lewandowski on even after Cohen brought proof of the leak.

I was amused by Cohen's description of the humiliating dressing down both elder sons got over their African hunting trip. It seems Trump is an animal lover, unless their breaded and deep fried with a side of onion rings. He thought shooting a bunch of animals with a high powered rifle wasn't particularly manly.

Cohen actually seems to be sympathetic to the older sons, almost pitying them because of the way Trump delights in their public humiliation.
There is no doubt in my mind that Trump knew everything about that meeting. Trump is just like his father; he's a control freak. His sons do nothing without his knowledge or without his approval. He is also like his father in another way; he's cruel. His sister, Maryanne, comes right out and says so in the recordings Mary Trump made. He takes delight in dressing down his sons and humiliating them just as Fred Trump did to his children, with the exception of their Golden Child. That child they see as an extension of themselves. In Fred's case that was Donald. In Donald's case, that is Ivanka.
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So, during the first campaign, when Trump made crude remarks about blood coming out of Megan Kelly's "wherever", Kelly started getting death threats. It got so bad that she had to move her family out of their condo and check into a hotel. Roger Ailes and Sean Hannity ended up having to go to Trump to get him to try to get his followers to stop threatening Kelly. The whole thing ended with Trump going on the Kelly's show and getting a bunch of pre-approved softball questions to show the Trump supporters that all was forgiven.
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Roger Stone only makes a brief appearance. It makes sense Cohen got paid well, above what he had in private practice, in the end. Though he ended up paying his own salary at one point.

But it baffles me, how does one make money as Roger Stone. He only creates disorder, spreads conspiracy theories and makes outrageous statements. What was there for Trump to pay for?

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Stone, the "keeper of the Nixon flame",[57] was an adviser to the former President in his post-presidential years, serving as "Nixon's man in Washington".[58] Stone was a protégé of former Connecticut Governor John Davis Lodge, who introduced the young Stone to former Vice President Nixon in 1967.[59] After Stone was indicted in 2019, the Nixon Foundation released a statement distancing Stone's ties to Nixon.
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Roger Stone only makes a brief appearance. It makes sense Cohen got paid well, above what he had in private practice, in the end. Though he ended up paying his own salary at one point.

But it baffles me, how does one make money as Roger Stone. He only creates disorder, spreads conspiracy theories and makes outrageous statements. What was there for Trump to pay for?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_...ing,_Bush_1988
Not disclosing the Links between Jerome Corsi and Russia, Corsi's books are Funded though Bulk Purchases from fronts for Russia with money from Moscow.
Though some idiots do buy Corsi's books Moscow sees him and Most Infowariors as useful idiots sowing division in America, that's why RTV endused me to save Corsi in February 2008.
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Ah. Russia.
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The weird thing with all these Trump books, or articles like that in The Atlantic about disrespect toward veterans, or the Mueller report, or the recent Senate report, is that all we actually learn from them are (sometimes juicy) titbits.

But Trump, each and every day, in tweets or "briefings", actions and inactions, shows us who and what he is. There is no 3d chess, "he is what he is". The books, articles, and reports just confirm it.
That's the thing when all the really bad stuff is already on full display and accepted by so many all that's left has to seem anticlimactic. If you're okay with Godzilla trampling Tokyo are you going to change your mind because he uses a deprepreciative term for iguanas in behind closed doors?
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That's the thing when all the really bad stuff is already on full display and accepted by so many all that's left has to seem anticlimactic. If you're okay with Godzilla trampling Tokyo are you going to change your mind because he uses a deprepreciative term for iguanas in behind closed doors?
Dude, that's awesome can I use that? With attribution of course.
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Ah. Russia.
Did you think Alex Jones's products being sold at Citco owned gas stations was coincidence when he promoted the 9/11Truth Movement?
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Trump failed to get another season for Apprentice. He had time to run president. The first campaign headquarters was set up on the 5th floor of Trump Tower amomg the discarded set for Apprentice. It was just another reality show.
(Page 216 Cohen book.)

A few pages later in the spring of 2015 he comes down the escalator to a crowd. In his very first rambling hour long speech the Mexican rapists were already there.

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Trump failed to get another season for Apprentice. He had time to run president. The first campaign headquarters was set up on the 5th floor of Trump Tower amomg the discarded set for Apprentice. It was just another reality show.
(Page 216 Cohen book.)

A few pages later in the spring of 2015 he comes down the escalator to a crowd. In his very first rambling hour long speech the Mexican rapists were already there.

Does he confirm that the “crowd” at his announcement was hired actors?
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Does he confirm that the “crowd” at his announcement was hired actors?
He hired a few dozen actors. All the people that wanted a Trump shirt also got in. It was Apprentice fans.
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P.326 Cohen is even angrier at the Steele report than Trump. Likely everything the press then claimed about Cohen and Russia is false. Cohen did not go on the business trip to Russia with the beauty pageant.

Finished the book. It covers very little of 2016-2018.

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He hired a few dozen actors. All the people that wanted a Trump shirt also got in. It was Apprentice fans.
Thanks for that confirmation.
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