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seems the most likely explanation (if not this exact story, then just fraud in general). Archaeology fraud happens all the time, including Biblical archaeology. Which isn't to say it's always the Biblical archaeologists/historians committed the fraud. Many times they really do believe in the sincerity of their discoveries, but are duped by hucksters.
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According to one of the men involved, this is all faked. Randall Price, who has a history of looking for the Ark, explains:
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Sufferin' succotash!
Then aren't mice just small rabbits making them dwarf Kangaroos http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7f...use_shortfilms ![]() |
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Even if it the ark is out there, will it be on this particular mountain?
Afterall, Genesis says that the ark came to rest "in the mountains of Ararat." This particular mountain, renamed to Ararat to better fit the bill, was identified as the place by this or that person thousands of years ago, who was making it up to fill in gaps in the source material -- which is how all theology works, by the way -- and credulous "researchers" today just assume that this tradition reflects reality. |
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Study of ark dimentions in relation to seaworthiness
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Anyone have a different result from a similar or identical test? Another detailed study about the Ark's seaworthiness http://www.biblicalcreation.org.uk/b...es/bcs043.html |
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You really need convincing that archaeological forgery happens? Wow, that's...surprising. But, okay!
http://www.badarchaeology.net/fraudulent/index.php http://www.museumofhoaxes.com/ http://archaeology.about.com/od/frau...rchaeology.htm http://www.archaeologyexpert.co.uk/P...chaeology.html http://www.tentmaker.org/Dew/Dew7/D7...stianScam.html http://query.nytimes.com/gst/abstrac...143BEF34BC4C52 DFB066838F669FDE http://proteus.brown.edu/cultarchaeology10/Home http://www.schillerinstitute.org/fid...t_archeol.html One of the best books on the subject of archeaological frauds is the great book "Frauds, Myths, and Mysteries" by Kenneth Feder, which is a common book used in archaeology 101 classs |
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That's irrelevant to the test results. Actually, I get the impression you aren't really interested in test results but simply in heckling and jeclkling for self amusement purposes. That's OK by me. But when I ask a serious question I reeally don't apreciate a heckling jeckling response. It's timewasting. Not that you aren't entitled to clowning around. Simply that I try to minmize that kind of stuff on my screen to reduce clutter and save time. In short, I prefer to discuss the matter with those who aren't here to simply slurge contempt as a self-induced catharsis at every opportunity.
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No, specifically as you claimed that "some Biblical Archaeologists had been taken by Hucksters", I knew of two previous examples recently, that of the ivory pomegranate and that of the James Ossuary,
I was wondering if there was a market for things that Jesus (might possibly have) made back in his carpentry shop. Test tube holders, Spice racks, Wooden toy trucks, hammer handles etc etc So I just wondered if you knew of any more examples than that, which, advise on how to find the right bible thumping market, in order, to make bundles of cash from some rich religious retards who don't know any better I wasn't at all questioning the veracity of your post ![]() |
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As I posted in the other thread, Randall Price, who gave money to the group, says the discovery was faked.
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These are the cutest little things... usually nocturnal, I've only seen this one in daytime when we destroyed its nest. But mammals, not marsupials. |
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Ah, gotcha, I was confused
![]() Also I should probably amend that statement, as the majority of cases we studied weren't cases in which real, actually, professionally trained with a phD archaeolgists were duped. It's really mostly people who are "self proclaimed archaeologists" who don't have actual training. Like that "Naked Archaeologist" Simcha Jacobovici. I can't stand that guy. I've seen his show and it's just terrible, and he's not even an archaeologist, he's a journalist. He'll believe anything anyone says to him. In one episode he was looking for evidence of the Biblical story of King Solomon. And this guy showed him two foundations of gates in two cities where King Solomon supposedly built gates. And that to this guy "strongly suggested" that the biblical King Solomon was real. That's what he accepts as "evidence." Pathetic. |
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Even if we were to ignore the fact that there's no geological or archaeological support for the Genesis flood, or if we were to postulate it was a local flood, only inundating the Near East, any speculation that this is Noah's ark runs up against a multitude of problems:
1) The source, the Sun, is hardly credible. 2) The discoverers, evangelical archaeologists (even assuming they actually have scientific credentials) are not an unbiased source of information. I would like corroboration from a variety of other researchers. 3) All we are shown in the article is a guy poking around in the interior of some enclosure. We would actually require images of the exterior of the putative ark, along with some measurements. 4) Even were we to accept the validity of a carbon date of 4,800 years ago, that would put the date at ca. 2,800 BCE. However, Sumerian civilization began in the fourth millennium, say at about 3,500 BCE, and Egyptian civilization began ca. 3,000 BCE. There is no evidence of destruction or disruption of either of these tow ancient civilizations ca. 2,800 BCE. So whatever artifact these guys found on Mt. Ararat wouldn't fit the time scale of even a local flood. As has been noted by other posters, every so often there's another discovery of Noah's ark on Mt. Ararat. Every last one of the prior "finds" have quietly faded away, hence the periodic need for new ark discoveries. |
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The two sort of go together. Cloth or wood + rope = sea anchor. If they could sail they had one. The first sea anchor probably happened when the sail fell off the boat. Probably even if they didn't sail. In a small boat you can make a serviceable drogue just by dragging a line in the water. |
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Out in the desert at night with my telescope, I could hear all this pitter-pattering going on around me, but as it was the dark of the moon, couldn't see nuffink. I took a flash photo of the ground nearby, and there were several of these running around. With the number of holes in the ground, ground squirrels, chipmunks, lizards, snakes and these things all have places to hide when they need to. I saw one chipmunk go into a hole, which had a dead one partially obscuring the entrance. Odd, that. I'd wonder how any aspiring biologist in the days of the prophets or the lawgivers could even begin to examine an "unclean" animal to note anything about it, without being smote by one of the leaders yelling about blasphemy, like those loons that are yelling about the ones and zeros that were said to represent Moh in a bear suit, when it was Santa in fact. Ignorance and hate based on religion is so demeaning to mankind, why do we put up with it? |
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http://www.livescience.com/history/n...in-100428.html
Same message from Randall Price in the comments on this site. |
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There's a whole bunch of stones with a perforation thru them that are the genuine drogue-stones suspended from the Ark to minimize the side-to-side wallowing in a heavy sea... I saw recently on Discovery, one. That the stones are quarried from local rock which doesn't/didn't exist in Mesopotamia is a mere trifling objection to a ripping good yarn.. http://www.discoverynews.us/DISCOVER...ahs_ark_4.html |
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There are a few problems with building a ship to the size of the supposed ark.
The strength of wood over such a large area. Hogging and sagging. Pumping the bilges. Storing all that feed. Mucking out. The largest ships recovered from history are the Sun Barques from the boat burials at Khufu's Pyramid. Each around 120 feet long. The Ark is just a story ripped off from the Epic of Gilgamesh |
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TalkOrigins disagrees: http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH508.html
To date no one has been able to build an all wooden boat anywhere near as large as the ark. Given the number of fundamentalist Christian millionaires, one wonders why they haven't built an ark to the dimensions in the Bible to show that it would hold up against the twisting and bending forces that would occur on a vessel that large. |
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Yet another fundie fraud
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