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Old 28th December 2017, 04:04 AM   #321
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Just a clarification: I am quite sure that when Bjarne speaks of absolute "rest" and "motion", he means in rest or motion relative to some mysterious coordinate grid that represents all positions in the multiverse. He himself has stated that it is impossible to determine if an object is in motion or not, and he has even stated that possibly the entire universe is in motion. But because nothing is linked to this grid, he cannot define rest relative to anything else. This grid is a pure fiction in his mind.

At one point he did go out on a limb by claiming that motion could be determined relative to the CMB. He has since ignored calls to expand on this concept, but it would be interesting to know if he regards the CMB as something that is at absolute rest.
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Old 28th December 2017, 04:17 AM   #322
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
This would be a beast to calculate, and require speciel developed software. EDFA and RR will effect all such inclination that not is exact angular. Even if I would calculate it, the world would still be blind and deaf.

Don't forget it requires knowing what you're talking about. Why don't you start with something simpler like learning what units are and what they are used for?

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My mission is not to get lost in details, ...[deleted another masterpiece on beating the bush]
So you can keep missing the core of the matter?
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Old 28th December 2017, 04:41 AM   #323
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Originally Posted by steenkh View Post
Just a clarification: I am quite sure that when Bjarne speaks of absolute "rest" and "motion", he means in rest or motion relative to some mysterious coordinate grid that represents all positions in the multiverse. He himself has stated that it is impossible to determine if an object is in motion or not, and he has even stated that possibly the entire universe is in motion. But because nothing is linked to this grid, he cannot define rest relative to anything else. This grid is a pure fiction in his mind.

At one point he did go out on a limb by claiming that motion could be determined relative to the CMB. He has since ignored calls to expand on this concept, but it would be interesting to know if he regards the CMB as something that is at absolute rest.
The point is, (as pointed out at least 10 times), - no (absolute) motion without relativistic consequences can exist..

It is amazing that still no one have understood the meaning of that simple statement..

This mean if you will increase your already existing absolute speed, time will thick slower. So fare everything will be according to the holy fanatic book.

If you will decrease the absolute motion already effecting you (which for example will happen periodically when moving north on board the ISS) - then you clock will tick FASTER. – Completely opposite of what SR predict.

And this is moment of truth, it’s a moment where the theory of relativity will crack, in a way that cannot be repaired with any kind of rubbish or nonsense, such as dark matter and bla la bla.. as usually is used to clean up …

You cannot measure absolute rest, because you can only measure relative to a clock on Earth. Ohh now I told you a lie. You actually can, but first you must invent a spacecraft that can compete with the absolute speed already effecting you.

Let say you will invent it and it can reach c, - now just jump up into it, and move opposite DFA, so long you clock tick faster (compared to a clock on Earth) you can use the SR-time dilation equation, and calculate backwards, - based on the faster clock (relative to a clock on earth) it is simple to calculate how fast the earth is moving.

Because it’s only a question of backwards speed, and YOU WILL BE AT ABSOLUTTE REST.’

To counteract the speed that affects you I believe you must move opposite DFA by about 300 km/s – But who knows, maybe you have to move 200.000 km/s backwards, there could be much more surprises down in the rabbit hole.

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Old 28th December 2017, 06:13 AM   #324
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A question for you, Bjarne: Does an object at absolute rest have mass? If not, what happens if an object that moves crashes into an object that is at rest?
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Old 28th December 2017, 06:18 AM   #325
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Originally Posted by steenkh View Post
A question for you, Bjarne: Does an object at absolute rest have mass? If not, what happens if an object that moves crashes into an object that is at rest?
Good question I also asked my self
And what happens if another object crashes into a object at rest, that maybe dont exist ?
Today its a dead end.
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Old 28th December 2017, 07:02 AM   #326
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
Good question I also asked my self
And what happens if another object crashes into a object at rest, that maybe dont exist ?
Today its a dead end.
What the hells?
A theory has to be Not the explanatory AND predictive.
You can't even state the most basic oremise?
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Old 28th December 2017, 07:20 AM   #327
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
Good question I also asked my self
And what happens if another object crashes into a object at rest, that maybe dont exist ?
Today its a dead end.
I've sent a few links from this thread to a Creationist associate of mine. He's interested in your ideas and is going to look into incorporating them into his upcoming book "Hydrino Science and the Bible."

I'd say, "You're welcome," but frankly unless you jump on this fast you're going to end up nothing more than a footnote in Creationist physics writing as a guy who came up with an idea that other people fleshed out. You're spending too much time arguing with people who know your ideas are poppycock and not enough time trying to sell them to people who have their own ax to grind against real science. You're just spinning your wheels here. That's fine if you're only here to troll or otherwise amuse yourself, but a very poor choice if you ever want to achieve anything with your theories.
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Old 28th December 2017, 07:39 AM   #328
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
Good question I also asked my self
And what happens if another object crashes into a object at rest, that maybe dont exist ?
Today its a dead end.
Ummm, ...

Maybe you have not heard this bit of information, but if objects do crash into one another, then those objects do exist.

In fact, objects have to exist in order to crash into one another.

If you do not believe me, then watch a roller derby, football game or a demolition derby sometime.
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Old 28th December 2017, 08:07 AM   #329
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
... there could be much more surprises down in the rabbit hole.
Being in the rabbit hole yourself, describe what you find there. Use discrete quanta where possible.
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Old 28th December 2017, 08:34 AM   #330
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Originally Posted by Peregrinus View Post
Being in the rabbit hole yourself, describe what you find there.
Maybe a rabbit
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Old 28th December 2017, 08:51 AM   #331
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
Maybe a rabbit
Well then, ...

Be careful that you do not collide with that rabbit otherwise you may not exist.
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Old 28th December 2017, 09:10 AM   #332
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
Maybe a rabbit
Given the nature of your claims it seems reasonable to reference an animal that includes cecal eating as part of its digestive process.

https://www.hrss.net/aar/care/care_diet_cecals.html
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Old 28th December 2017, 09:37 AM   #333
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
This would be a beast to calculate, and require speciel developed software. EDFA and RR will effect all such inclination that not is exact angular. Even if I would calculate it, the world would still be blind and deaf.

My mission is not to get lost in details, so long there are unknown factors, such as: is the universe also moving etc., but mainly to show the overall influence of RR as well as DFA, and predict / prove how these “forces” can be measured..

These 2 factors have several consequences, such as RR, EDFA, DFA as well as what I describe as Addition Sideward Absolute Motion (ASAM) relative to DFA.

However there are most likely more to discover.

10 years ago, I also discussed the following thesis at several forums:
The cause of gravity is; matter absorbing elastic space. Gravity is therefore an elastic property of space.
The elastic space connection between moons and planets is the cause of planet rotation.
The asteroid hitting earth and killing the dinosaurs was a small and very fast orbiting moon responsible for the relative fast rotation of the earth even today.
The retrograde orbit of Venus is caused by the retrograde orbit of the outer planets (seen from a Venus perspective).
Especially, Earth and Jupiter’s pulls the rotation of Venus retrograde.
Also the strange rotation of Uranus is caused by the pull from the orbiting moons.

The deformation of space nearby an astronomic object (a gravitational field) follows motion of matter. A gravitational field is therefore also following the rotation of an astronomic body.
Because (elastic) space and matter is “woven together”, - hence a (fast) rotating gravitational field exerts a (weak) centrifugal force on nearby object.
This especially applies for objects / matter near pulsars or magnetars, but must also be considered to have a weak impact on objects near rotating planets in solar systems, - not allowing moons of neighbor-planets to orbit at the exact same ecliptic inclination plane.
If this also is true in our solar system, - the rotating gravitational fields of the strongest planets will dominate whereas moons belonging to small weak planets are forced to keep a few degree inclination distance to their stronger neighbor.

Saturn and Jupiter (and Neptune) could have forced the moons of Uranus to incline about 10 to 15° relative to ecliptic, whereby the orbit of Uranus was more exposed to ASAM.
ASAM could easy have escalated / forced the inclination of Uranus (and its moons) further to be aligned with DFA, and thereby locked by DFA.

Mercury could also once had have a very fast moving moon, once colliding with the planet .
https://www.space.com/13889-mercury-...l-locking.html

So as you can see, something could easy be missing, there is a most likely more to figure out, the ice gets thinner, and therefore as I wrote my mission is not to walk the plank.

But instead; - to keep my feet on safe ground, and show that there are enough evidence already (and more to come) to justify that DFA and RR will march into science regardless whether fools and beast like it or not.

After that there still is a lot of work to be done and much more to discover.
Wow that was a lot of words to avoid something Bjarne:

Your theory predicts that any orbiting system: planets, satellites and galaxies that are inclined and not parallel to the alleged force of your 'dark flow' will show a bifurcated change in motion

It does not need to be calculated it should be observed.

Yet it is not, it should be especially noticeable in galaxy rotation curves, where the motion of stars around the galaxy center should show the bifurcated changes in motion.

Why doesn't it?
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Old 28th December 2017, 11:00 AM   #334
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As to the thread title: did it fall apart?
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Old 28th December 2017, 12:23 PM   #335
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Originally Posted by Dancing David View Post
Wow that was a lot of words to avoid something Bjarne:

Your theory predicts that any orbiting system: planets, satellites and galaxies that are inclined and not parallel to the alleged force of your 'dark flow' will show a bifurcated change in motion

It does not need to be calculated it should be observed.

Yet it is not, it should be especially noticeable in galaxy rotation curves, where the motion of stars around the galaxy center should show the bifurcated changes in motion.

Why doesn't it?
What do you mean by ill show a "bifurcated change in motion" ?
Have you understood the meaning with ASAM ?
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What do you mean by ill show a "bifurcated change in motion" ?
Have you understood the meaning with ASAM ?
What I explained about all orbits that are not exactly perpendicular to your alleged 'dark flow'.

Any other orbit will have an increase in motion on one side of the orbit and a decrease in motion on the other side of the orbit.

Any orbit that is parallel to your 'dark flow' will show a marked decrease in one half of the orbit and a marked increase in the other half of the orbit.

This is a consequence of your hypothesis.

Why isn't it observed and measured?

Especially in galaxies whose plane of rotation is aligned with your 'dark flow'.
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Originally Posted by Dancing David View Post
What I explained about all orbits that are not exactly perpendicular to your alleged 'dark flow'.

Any other orbit will have an increase in motion on one side of the orbit and a decrease in motion on the other side of the orbit.

Any orbit that is parallel to your 'dark flow' will show a marked decrease in one half of the orbit and a marked increase in the other half of the orbit.

This is a consequence of your hypothesis.

Why isn't it observed and measured?

Especially in galaxies whose plane of rotation is aligned with your 'dark flow'.

I believe for each of Bjarne's imaginary forces he posits an opposing imaginary force that counteracts it and that’s why no scientist hampered by conventional thinking can measure any effect. Bjarne has constructed and lives in his own little Airtight Garage.
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Bjarne has constructed and lives in his own little Airtight Garage.
My money is on the top story of an echo chamber.
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Originally Posted by Dancing David View Post
What I explained about all orbits that are not exactly perpendicular to your alleged 'dark flow'.
I thought this is what you meant, but I was not sure.

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Any other orbit will have an increase in motion on one side of the orbit and a decrease in motion on the other side of the orbit.
Excactly. I am happy for that question , and this is also why I asked if you understood the meaning for ASAM?

The effect of increased and decreased vertical motion its not so strong as EFDA.
EDFA effects both nodes with the same force all the time.
It is the reduced or addition Dark Flow (DF) speed that counts.
The speed of Mercury = 47000 m/s - inclination 7° -
You can therefore calculate the up/down speed variation of the nodes to +/- 5500m/s, - this will give you a relativistic RR effect = 0.0000000001680556 m/s2

If the ASAM also is 47000 m/s RR will impact the inclination half of the orbit time.
This means stronger RR caused by ASAM
However the DFA is overall stronger and will win.
If the ASAM speed increased to be for example 3 times the node speed, ASAM will start to take over. I am too lazy to calculate exact.
Every schoolboy can do it.
The more tilted the orbit is relative to DFA the stronger ASAM will interact and sooner or later dominate.
If the orbit become mainly aligned with the DFA axis the orbit will collapse.

You live on an old moon.
Once a Giant planet, much bigger as Jupiter crashed down on the Sun.
Total chaos was ruling between a few hundred moons that planet had.
Few Moons survived;- Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars.
Some of these moons (now planets) captured a few other of Titanic’s Moon..
The aroid belt is also rubbish left by this chaotic time. – Water did not come here.
However, the Earth included water was brought here, by Titanic.
One day we will lose Mercury, then Venus, Earth, Mars, and next Jupiter.
If lucky the Moon Europa will survive, it will have ocean and maybe also land, cows, brainwashed fools, idiots an potatoes could one day work / live on that planet / old moon. Maybe they will be more open minded.

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Any orbit that is parallel to your 'dark flow' will show a mared decrease in one half of the orbit and a marked increase in the other half of the orbit.
This is a consequence of your hypothesis.
Why isn't it observed and measured?
Especially in galaxies whose plane of rotation is aligned with your 'dark flow'.
You mean every orbit should have angular orbit inclination relative to DFA.
Yes, this is true if ASAM not existed.
Don’t underestimate the force or ASAM and don’t overestimate the force of addition / reduce node up/down speed .

The angular inclination only happens when RR influence of ASAM is weaker as the effect caused by variation of the vertical force.

The faster orbit speed, the faster the planet will respond to both ASAM and the vertical force.
Mercury is the fastest planet to respond to both changings, hence also faster to be aligned with DFA. The slower outer planets are many times slower to respond.

So if you ask why, you must first at all know the inclination history , that’s sure.
In all cases, this influence is very small (as you see on the minus 10 to minus 12 scale) and very slow working especially for the outer slow planets and objects, therefore you have the planet X superstition.
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As to the thread title: did it fall apart?

Be reasonable; there's still a couple of days left.
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.....Well and soon tell them also that Earth is acceleration (constantly) , regardless whether you like it or not........
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At what rate? (M/sec/sec) Has this rate always been the same?
Was this question too difficult, Bjarne?
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Pro-tip: Read Bjarne's posts in the voice of Tommy Wiseau. It helps.
I imagine him as a bombastic televangelist.
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
Periods with inclination more or less aligned relative to DFA axis, make the orbit extreme elliptical.
Inclination periods more less perpendicular relative to DFA axis have the oppesite effect.
How fast the inclination can change, depend on 1.) speed og the object 2.) motion of the Sun and even the galaxy
But Hans this is all much to complecated for at left brain half.
So beforehand I give up to explian you further.
While you are explianing things could you also work on your spelling??
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What I find fascinating that now we have at least three competing theories claiming modern day physics is wrong (because math is hard). This one, the very fluctuating Mills one and the Electric comet/universe one.
Yet the three theories are mutually exclusive.
And, interestingly enough, all three theories would predict that actually observed effects cannot happen. So rather than explaining things we don't know, they claim what we see and measure is wrong.

Bjarne, like the EC one, if your theory were right not a SINGLE spacecraft launched would have reached its destination. Yet they all did.
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Was this question too difficult, Bjarne?
DFA?
EDFA ?
RR ?
ASAM ?
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DFA?
EDFA ?
RR ?
What does this gibberish mean, Bjarne? I want m/sec/sec. Should be simple enough.
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Originally Posted by Lukraak_Sisser View Post
What I find fascinating that now we have at least three competing theories claiming modern day physics is wrong (because math is hard). This one, the very fluctuating Mills one and the Electric comet/universe one.
Yet the three theories are mutually exclusive.
And, interestingly enough, all three theories would predict that actually observed effects cannot happen. So rather than explaining things we don't know, they claim what we see and measure is wrong.

Bjarne, like the EC one, if your theory were right not a SINGLE spacecraft launched would have reached its destination. Yet they all did.
If only there were a way we could get the three of them to fight it out so we only had to deal with one of them.
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Old 29th December 2017, 09:47 AM   #349
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DFA?
EDFA ?
RR ?
ASAM ?
What does this gibberish mean, Bjarne? I want m/sec/sec. Should be simple enough.
DFA
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DFA is baseball’s acronymic equivalent of WTF. It means designated for assignment, which is the sport’s doublespeak for being removed from a team’s 40-man roster and being put on waivers for 29 other teams to claim. A spot on the 40-man is a treasure, and not only does getting DFA’d rob a player of that, it can incite a chain reaction that highlights the inanity of baseball roster management.
EDFA
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Erbium-doped fiber amplifiers are the by far most important fiber amplifiers in the context of long-range optical fiber communications; they can efficiently amplify light in the 1.5-μm wavelength region, where telecom fibers have their loss minimum.
RR
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The Revised Romanization of Korean (국어의 로마자 표기법; gugeoui romaja pyogibeop; lit. "Roman-letter notation of the national language") is the official Korean language romanization system in South Korea proclaimed by the Ministry of Culture and Tourism to replace the older McCune–Reischauer system. The new system eliminates diacritics in favor of digraphs and adheres more closely to Korean phonology than to a suggestive rendition of Korean phonetics for non-native speakers.
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The American Society of Addiction Medicine
ASAM, founded in 1954, is a professional medical society representing over 5000 physicians, clinicians and associated professionals in the field of addiction medicine. ASAM is dedicated to increasing access and improving the quality of addiction treatment, educating physicians and the public, supporting research and prevention, and promoting the appropriate role of physicians in the care of patients with addiction.
I hope that clarifies everything.
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Old 29th December 2017, 10:36 AM   #350
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DFA?
EDFA ?
RR ?
ASAM ?

TTTT is M&W. A&F.
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TTTT is M&W. A&F.
Well done in Kspeak!!!!!!!
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Old 30th December 2017, 12:03 AM   #352
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DFA


EDFA


RR


ASAM


I hope that clarifies everything.
What about OHCWKWHC Then ?
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Old 30th December 2017, 11:34 AM   #353
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This would be a beast to calculate, and require speciel developed software. EDFA and RR will effect all such inclination that not is exact angular. Even if I would calculate it, the world would still be blind and deaf.

My mission is not to get lost in details, so long there are unknown factors, such as: is the universe also moving etc., but mainly to show the overall influence of RR as well as DFA, and predict / prove how these “forces” can be measured..

These 2 factors have several consequences, such as RR, EDFA, DFA as well as what I describe as Addition Sideward Absolute Motion (ASAM) relative to DFA.

However there are most likely more to discover.

10 years ago, I also discussed the following thesis at several forums:
The cause of gravity is; matter absorbing elastic space. Gravity is therefore an elastic property of space.
No this would deliberately ignore the "absorbing" aspect you just asserted.

You can't support your "thesis" by deliberately ignoring asserted aspects of it.


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The elastic space connection between moons and planets is the cause of planet rotation.
My underwear is elastic yet, in and of itself, results in no rotation.

Elasticity doesn't imbue rotation.


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The asteroid hitting earth and killing the dinosaurs was a small and very fast orbiting moon responsible for the relative fast rotation of the earth even today.
Baseless assertion.

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The retrograde orbit of Venus is caused by the retrograde orbit of the outer planets (seen from a Venus perspective).
Especially, Earth and Jupiter’s pulls the rotation of Venus retrograde.
Also the strange rotation of Uranus is caused by the pull from the orbiting moons.

If Venous wasn't already retrograde the other "orbits" wouldn't seem retrograde "from a Venus perspective".

Your assertion is simply "The retrograde orbit of Venus is caused by the retrograde orbit of", well, Venus.

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The deformation of space nearby an astronomic object (a gravitational field) follows motion of matter. A gravitational field is therefore also following the rotation of an astronomic body.
Because (elastic) space and matter is “woven together”, - hence a (fast) rotating gravitational field exerts a (weak) centrifugal force on nearby object.
This especially applies for objects / matter near pulsars or magnetars, but must also be considered to have a weak impact on objects near rotating planets in solar systems, - not allowing moons of neighbor-planets to orbit at the exact same ecliptic inclination plane.
If this also is true in our solar system, - the rotating gravitational fields of the strongest planets will dominate whereas moons belonging to small weak planets are forced to keep a few degree inclination distance to their stronger neighbor.
Well then by all means please show your calculations demonstrating this.


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Saturn and Jupiter (and Neptune) could have forced the moons of Uranus to incline about 10 to 15° relative to ecliptic, whereby the orbit of Uranus was more exposed to ASAM.
ASAM could easy have escalated / forced the inclination of Uranus (and its moons) further to be aligned with DFA, and thereby locked by DFA.

Mercury could also once had have a very fast moving moon, once colliding with the planet .
https://www.space.com/13889-mercury-...l-locking.html

So as you can see, something could easy be missing, there is a most likely more to figure out, the ice gets thinner, and therefore as I wrote my mission is not to walk the plank.
"could...", "could..." and "could..."? Now, you're not willing to "to walk the plank"? All those assertions before without the "could"s (even the absorption one you ignore) already put you well out there.


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But instead; - to keep my feet on safe ground, and show that there are enough evidence already (and more to come) to justify that DFA and RR will march into science regardless whether fools and beast like it or not.

After that there still is a lot of work to be done and much more to discover.

That whole bit about the retrograde orbit of Venus when it is the rotation (not orbit) of Venus that is retrograde demonstrate that your feet are anywhere but on the ground, safe or otherwise.
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Old 30th December 2017, 11:43 AM   #354
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Just a clarification: I am quite sure that when Bjarne speaks of absolute "rest" and "motion", he means in rest or motion relative to some mysterious coordinate grid that represents all positions in the multiverse. He himself has stated that it is impossible to determine if an object is in motion or not, and he has even stated that possibly the entire universe is in motion. But because nothing is linked to this grid, he cannot define rest relative to anything else. This grid is a pure fiction in his mind.

At one point he did go out on a limb by claiming that motion could be determined relative to the CMB. He has since ignored calls to expand on this concept, but it would be interesting to know if he regards the CMB as something that is at absolute rest.

Yep, and apparently thinks it subsumes all other reference frames, perspectives and realities (referring to coordinate transformations as reality transformations). A typical crank perspective that their notions or perspective includes all others but demonstrating it actually includes none, since it can't be defined and would have to include mutually exclusive perspectives.
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Old 30th December 2017, 11:47 AM   #355
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That whole bit about the retrograde orbit of Venus when it is the rotation (not orbit) of Venus that is retrograde demonstrate that your feet are anywhere but on the ground, safe or otherwise.
Yes off course this is what I mean, and also wrote many years ago.
All planet rotation is caused by fast moving moons. Sometimes the moons is demise and the planet still rotate. The exact same principle is the cause with star rotation.
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The point is, (as pointed out at least 10 times), - no (absolute) motion without relativistic consequences can exist..
Nope, again as pointed out multiple times an absolute rest frame can't be defined.

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It is amazing that still no one have understood the meaning of that simple statement..
We all understand the meaning of the statement, you just want to claim an absolute rest frame without being able to define it.


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This mean if you will increase your already existing absolute speed, time will thick slower. So fare everything will be according to the holy fanatic book.

If you will decrease the absolute motion already effecting you (which for example will happen periodically when moving north on board the ISS) - then you clock will tick FASTER. – Completely opposite of what SR predict.
Nope, wrong again, your own clocks can not tick faster or slower for you (that's what makes them your clocks) they can only tick faster or slower compared to some other clocks.

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And this is moment of truth, it’s a moment where the theory of relativity will crack, in a way that cannot be repaired with any kind of rubbish or nonsense, such as dark matter and bla la bla.. as usually is used to clean up …

You cannot measure absolute rest, because you can only measure relative to a clock on Earth. Ohh now I told you a lie. You actually can, but first you must invent a spacecraft that can compete with the absolute speed already effecting you.

Let say you will invent it and it can reach c, - now just jump up into it, and move opposite DFA, so long you clock tick faster (compared to a clock on Earth) you can use the SR-time dilation equation, and calculate backwards, - based on the faster clock (relative to a clock on earth) it is simple to calculate how fast the earth is moving.
Nope if your are moving at close to c relative to the Earth then the Earth is moving at close to c relative to you. That gets you no closer to an absolute rest frame than anything else you have claimed. Particularly your first assertion in this post where you basically claim an absolute frame is still has to be relative.


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Because it’s only a question of backwards speed, and YOU WILL BE AT ABSOLUTTE REST.’

To counteract the speed that affects you I believe you must move opposite DFA by about 300 km/s – But who knows, maybe you have to move 200.000 km/s backwards, there could be much more surprises down in the rabbit hole.
Great so once again you simply assert that you don't know, even just your own notions.
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Yes off course this is what I mean, and also wrote many years ago.
All planet rotation is caused by fast moving moons. Sometimes the moons is demise and the planet still rotate. The exact same principle is the cause with star rotation.

And once again it is still nonsense, in order for the other planet rotations to seem retrograde to Venus would mean that Venus already has a retrograde rotation compared to the other planets. Hence that perception can't be the cause as it is a priori requirement of said perception.
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Old 30th December 2017, 11:59 AM   #358
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Originally Posted by Bjarne View Post
What about OHCWKWHC Then ?


The acronyms you’re excreting are as nonsensical as your theories and getting worse. If I want to delve into madness I’ll consult with some Eldridge horrors. They’re far more interesting.
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Good question I also asked my self
And what happens if another object crashes into a object at rest, that maybe dont exist ?
Today its a dead end.
if one or both "dont exist" then they don't crash. Your assertion of "another object crashes into a object at rest," presumes both existence and rest. The dead end remains just yours
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.....Well and soon tell them also that Earth is acceleration (constantly) , regardless whether you like it or not........
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At what rate? (M/sec/sec) Has this rate always been the same?
Was this question too difficult, Bjarne?

Also given Bjarne has a terminal limit it must be such that it hasn't reached that terminal limit yet (over billions of years). Otherwise you wouldn't know if there actually were not such acceleration ever or the terminal limit had simply been reached (perhaps billions of years ago).

ETA: I seem to recall the terminal speed being 600 km/s some posts back, but now Bjarne is tossing "300 km/s", "200.000 km/s" and "– But who knows" around indicating again it is all just crap from his arse as just 0 km/s (relative to anything) would fit the "– But who knows" definition criteria.
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