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This is doubly ironic, given that you're trying to discredit Harding, who nobody other than you had even mentioned, and in order to do so you link to a Russian propaganda site, to an article written by someone who posts Russian propaganda and whose lack of integrity goes far beyond plagiarism - given his established record of lying, fraud and forgery.
So go on, tell me again, how bringing up the pasts of journalists is "weakmindedness", and nothing but an "ad hominem". |
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From this post, I'm going to guess you're quite young. Some things take time. Let's see where we are this time next year before dismissing out of hand the investigation that the chief investigator of has said will be ongoing through most of 2018 at the very least. Patience.
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Nixon WaterGate Took over two years give this Time it is still a Young investigation.
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A totally idiotic question I ignored for your benefit, and even had already answered to someone else before you asked it. It is a bestselling book exactly about the topic of this thread, and at least one resident has read it, likely several more. Couldn't be more relevant. I'm starting to get a bit annoyed by your constant low-quality whining, so I just point out that I proposed to you that we should be patient and see what happens several pages ago. Glad you agree now. |
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Yes, that's what I thought - it's just "this person who holds an opinion that I don't agree with has done things I think are wrong". Which...okay. And?
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Papadopoulos flipping looks like a much bigger deal than originally thought.
https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/12/3....co/hip2eHsoj8 So much for the dossier being the cause of the original FBI investigation. |
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You don't think that Fake News like that is going to fool Trump True Believers™, do you? Just for starters it came from some Down Under Aussie. Why would a "diplomat" (wink, wink) be talking to a coffee boy? And all those Aussies are left-wing radicals anyway. Even their conservatives are Liberals. |
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I do think the dossier is still what jump-started the investigation.
I think we need to take a closer look; was Papadopoulos told by Russian agents about this attempted transaction? Behind the scenes what's going on. I've said that I think the dossier's allegations was an attempt by Russian agents posing as insider sources of spreading misinformation. |
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Listen to what Insane McCain's pool boy Lindsey (of all people) has to say about that at 4 minutes in:
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That's simply perverse. The Aussies, the Brits, the Dutch and the FBI's own lying eyes were telling them stuff was going on long before Steele entered the frame.
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Maybe it hasn't sunk in yet with Trump sycophants, but the revelation that Papadopolous knew about the stolen emails in May of 2016 is a torpedo below the waterline of SS Trump.
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So Trump of late has been opining publicly that he expects Mueller will "treat me fairly."
Oh yeah, he will, Donnie. Just know that "fairly" and "favourably" are NOT the same thing. I wonder why the numerous talking heads with the news outfits I've watched segments of on YT have not raised this important distinction. |
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Not that anybody who's been following this at all needs more evidence, but more evidence that the Steele Dossier was not the basis of the investigation into Trump
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Tee-hee. It's a small world: https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/s...05507410857985
Originally Posted by Mark Ames (Yup, the guy who Luke Harding plagiarized)
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First off, this is another case of "okay. And?" Perhaps this time you'll answer the question - so what?
Secondly, you appear to have posted a link that demonstrates a lack of reading comprehension (or deliberate obfuscation) on Ames' part. The two quotes in question:
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^ If that's good enough for you as an excuse for these two leading stories by the same rag and partly even the same authors, well, just rest assured that it isn't people like that who I'm posting for. And remember: Relax.
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Well, I didn't even know who those authors were before you brought them up, so I feel no need to make any kinds of "excuse" for them. It makes absolutely no difference to me if they're the best reporters in the world or the worst reporters in the world.
However, I will note that, again, you've failed to explain what relevance you believe what you post has. And you've also failed to muster a defense of Ames' misrepresenting the content of those articles. Let's just hope for his sake, and the sake of those who get their information from him, that it wasn't deliberate on his part, shall we? And I do wonder, though - who are you posting for? You evidently have no idea why I'm posting, despite the fact that I've explicitly said so, so instead you presume. This says a lot more about you than it does about me. |
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The founders of Fusion GPS are calling on the House and Senate committees to release transcripts of their testimony.
The Republicans’ Fake Investigations
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Hmm? I'm left to wonder what is fake about the investigations? The Republicans are seriously trying to find any dirt or loophole that they can, by the look of it. That they happen not to be investigations focused on finding the truth about something that they think could be politically damaging to them, but rather on ways to try to negate the political damage is a different matter entirely!
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Why would they stop even then? It isn't like that base is going to start voting for Democrats as a reflection of their ire. There might be some pundit posturing and crocodile tears at the very worst of the transgressions and tomfoolery, but when it comes time to go to the polls they'll hold their noses and vote Republican anyway. |
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It seems even Steve Bannon thinks that Trump Jr, Kushner and Manaford meeting with a Russian laywer at Trump Tower was "treasonous".
This story notes that ... "Bannon remarked mockingly: “The three senior guys in the campaign thought it was a good idea to meet with a foreign government inside Trump Tower in the conference room on the 25th floor – with no lawyers. They didn’t have any lawyers. “Even if you thought that this was not treasonous, or unpatriotic, or bad ****, and I happen to think it’s all of that, you should have called the FBI immediately.” |
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Well, sure, Steve Bannon is now accusing Trump of treason. And there is evidence that Trump's team knew that meeting with Russians and discussing sanctions would be illegal, but did it anyway[/i]. But, on the other hand, the [i]New York Times published two different stories that, if you misrepresent what they say, might possibly say slightly different things to each other.
It's hard to know where the preponderance of evidence points, really. |
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No, not sure. A Guardian writer says Bannon is quoted as such in a book "obtained by the Guardian ahead of publication from a bookseller in New England" by a writer known for his ********, and a first quote in that book is already denied before publication if you scroll to the last paragraph in the Guardian piece and read it. You are sure. It isn't. |
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You're right. Direct, attributed quotes are definitely less reliable than some quibbling semantics. You've convinced me. Trump rules!
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Trump responds: Bannon "lost his mind" after losing his job as aide.
"Steve Bannon has nothing to do with me or my Presidency. When he was fired, he not only lost his job, he lost his mind." |
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Trump also says that the 17 candidates he beat for the Republican nomination were "often described as the most talented field ever assembled in the Republican party".
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Wow, talk about throwing Bannon under the bus. And not just your average bus, we're talking bi-articulated, 14 wheels of mauling. I, mean, just wow.
"Just a staffer", "Very little to do with..victory"?! Bannon is getting a harsh lesson on how little Trump values loyalty towards others. |
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