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Old 5th January 2017, 06:58 AM   #1401
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Israeli soldier convicted in shooting:

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/is...arazia-n702961
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Old 18th April 2017, 11:36 AM   #1402
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Things get even worse in Gaza.

http://www.nbcmontana.com/news/world...fuel/453343592
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Old 18th April 2017, 12:07 PM   #1403
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Originally Posted by Aridas View Post
Wow. I'm absolutely stunned:

"The Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza blame each other for the energy shortage."

For once, they aren't blaming the Jews.
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Old 18th April 2017, 02:07 PM   #1404
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Wow. I'm absolutely stunned:

"The Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza blame each other for the energy shortage."

For once, they aren't blaming the Jews.
No, but the UN is (from the article):
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"Robert Piper, the UN deputy special coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process...
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Gaza also has to contend with an Israeli land and sea blockade and restrictions on movements of goods and people, which Piper said is the primary cause of Gaza's problems, making a viable economy in Gaza impossible. The border with Egypt is also closed most of the time, opening only rarely for short periods."
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Amazing. How does the UN recruit these people? Do they have recruitment ads in anti-semitic newspapers?

'Today a UN special coordinator said that the Sixth Army has to contend with a Soviet blockade and restrictions on movements of goods and people, which [he] said is the primary cause of Sixth Army's problems, making a viable encampment in Stalingrad impossible.'

TLDR - proximate and primary causes are different things.
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Old 19th April 2017, 10:51 AM   #1405
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
Wow. I'm absolutely stunned:

"The Palestinian Authority in the West Bank and Hamas in Gaza blame each other for the energy shortage."

For once, they aren't blaming the Jews.
A brief slip, which will be corrected shortly.
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Old 1st May 2017, 02:39 PM   #1406
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The Palestinian Islamist group Hamas on Monday dropped its longstanding call for Israel's destruction, but said it still rejected the country's right to exist and backs "armed struggle" against it.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pa...-idUSKBN17X1N8

Following the old tradition of making progress without making any progress.
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Old 1st May 2017, 09:17 PM   #1407
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Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-pa...-idUSKBN17X1N8

Following the old tradition of making progress without making any progress.
Also of some note is...

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Fatah spokesman Osama al-Qawasme upbraided Hamas for taking decades to join Fatah in accepting a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders, a position Hamas used to criticize Fatah for.

"Hamas's new document is identical to that taken by Fatah in 1988. Hamas is required to make an apology to Fatah after 30 years of accusing us of treason for that policy," Qawasme said.
That's... very possibly a very good sign, in that more common ground between Hamas and Fatah may help pave the way for a more cooperative and less antagonistic relationship between the leadership in Gaza and in the West Bank, which then could lead to a dramatic improvement of Gaza's situation. Could, at least. It's a little too soon to be greatly optimistic, but there's faint rays of hope that can be seen.
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Old 10th January 2018, 12:00 PM   #1408
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So our favorite settler colony has been engaged in creating a new heroine for the Palestinians by throwing in jail a sixteen year old girl with wild hair who looks more like from Ireland than what the laymen expect from Palestine, for "slapping" a soldier after his gang shot her brother in the face with a rubber bullet. Someone not easy to demonize, but they tried anyway by describing her family as notorious "trouble-makers" and her as a brainwashed offspring of that evil.

As it happens, when Abby Martin was there in late 2016, she interviewed the girl and her family. Now the footage was released, of course not without using the opportunity to help create that heroine by going into the context in detail:

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Old 10th January 2018, 03:19 PM   #1409
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So for the sake of honesty, let’s not use the word “Palestinian” any more to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until someone points out they’re being taped. Instead, let’s call them what they are: “Other Arabs From The Same General Area Who Are In Deep Denial About Never Being Able To Accomplish Anything In Life And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death.” I know that’s a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN. How about this, then: “Adjacent Jew-Haters.
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Old 11th January 2018, 04:11 PM   #1410
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So for the sake of honesty, let’s not use the word “Palestinian” any more to describe these delightful folks, who dance for joy at our deaths until someone points out they’re being taped. Instead, let’s call them what they are: “Other Arabs From The Same General Area Who Are In Deep Denial About Never Being Able To Accomplish Anything In Life And Would Rather Wrap Themselves In The Seductive Melodrama Of Eternal Struggle And Death.” I know that’s a bit unwieldy to expect to see on CNN. How about this, then: “Adjacent Jew-Haters.
Perhaps stick to scientific definitions; they tend to spontaneously combust when in the presence of semites so they must be anti-semites.
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Old 15th January 2018, 06:06 PM   #1411
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So our favorite settler colony has been engaged in creating a new heroine for the Palestinians by throwing in jail a sixteen year old girl with wild hair who looks more like from Ireland than what the laymen expect from Palestine, for "slapping" a soldier after his gang shot her brother in the face with a rubber bullet. Someone not easy to demonize, but they tried anyway by describing her family as notorious "trouble-makers" and her as a brainwashed offspring of that evil.
You're claiming she's not easy to demonize because she looks like she could come from Ireland?

What a fundamentally racist point of view.
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Old 15th January 2018, 06:34 PM   #1412
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You're claiming she's not easy to demonize because she looks like she could come from Ireland?

What a fundamentally racist point of view.



So helpless.
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Old 15th January 2018, 06:58 PM   #1413
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So helpless.
It's your claim. Nobody else made an issue of her appearance but you.

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Old 20th January 2018, 09:36 AM   #1414
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Gaza family kills member who allegedly acted as Israeli informant

A family in Gaza has killed one of its own members for allegedly passing on information to Israel that led to the deaths of three Hamas militants, Palestinian sources said.

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“We carried out the punishment against our son Ahmad Said Barhoum after having been assured without a shadow of a doubt that he was implicated in the assassination [of the militants]”, the family said in a statement.
Wow.

So Hamas has the family kill one of their own. I can only guess they didn't do it themselves so the family could prove it's loyalty?

I really dislike having Trump as POTUS, but one good thing I can say for him is at least he's not trying to maintain the status-quo in this conflict because the status-quo is really awful. His decisions may be the random firing of a loose cannon, but even that is better than seeing another generation pass with no progress.
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