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Old 1st October 2022, 07:33 PM   #1241
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In 2018 when Ron DeSantis was running for governor of Florida, he stated, " “I am not in the pews of the church of the global warming leftists.”
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Despite the firmly established science linking climate change to more powerful hurricanes, as well as sea level rise that helps worsen their impact, many Florida Republican politicians, including the governor and both of its U.S. senators, have resisted government action to reduce the greenhouse gas emissions that are causing warmer temperatures. Yet even while they avoid any admission that burning fossil fuels is the underlying cause of climate change, they must also try to manage growing risks in the state that scientists have linked to the warming world. DeSantis has embraced spending for the restoration of the Everglades wetlands and “resilience” for coastal cities, such as improved drainage and raising sea walls. In May last year, he said his state must “tackle the challenges posed by flooding, intensified storm events [and] sea level rise.”
But DeSantis stubbornly refuses to even talk about why storms are intensifying and why sea levels are rising.
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"What I’ve found is, people when they start talking about things like global warming, they typically use that as a pretext to do a bunch of left-wing things that they would want to do anyways,” DeSantis said at an event about sea level rise last year. “We’re not doing any left-wing stuff.” Yahoo News link
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Seems a bit odd that the leftists always run those hurricanes through places like Cuba and Puerto Rico first. If I were spawning hurricanes, I'd keep them within the Sharpie zone.
That's to provide plausible deniability.
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If the leftist hurricane targets are SO predictable, wouldn't the smartest move be to get out of the ******* way of them??
I hear De Santis sent a scouting party up to Martha's Vineyard but the lying fake news press got it all wrong.
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Old 1st October 2022, 11:11 PM   #1244
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Originally Posted by turingtest View Post
Not to mention that the "convenient time...right before elections" would be because hurricane season runs from June 1 to November 30, with the peak around the middle of September; since elections are usually held the beginning of November, it would actually be very untypical for them to happen at any other time.
Now, now...let's not confuse them with facts, logic, and reality. You know they don't react well to them.
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Despite the firmly established science linking climate change to more powerful hurricanes, as well as sea level rise that helps worsen their impact, many Florida Republican politicians, including the governor and both of its U.S. senators, have resisted government action to reduce the greenhouse gas emissions that are causing warmer temperatures.
Serious warnings about carbon emissions and climate change began in the early 1980s, forty years ago. Today events that were predicted are happening. But Ron DeSantis' position is typical GOP speak.
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“I am not in the pews of the church of the global warming leftists.”
To update an old saying:
He prefers to err on the side of recklessness.
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Apparently the GOP is switching to a new tactic. Global warming is real after all, but the cure may be worse than the disease. Except for GOP Congress member marjorie taylor greene. She thinks rising temperatures are actually good. As greene told a radio interviewer last summer:
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“This Earth warming and carbon is actually healthy for us,” Greene said this summer in an interview with the Right Side Broadcasting Network, arguing that warming is good because people die of cold. New Republic link
While greene rejects the science -- "Climate just changes," she explains -- most of greene's Congressional colleagues don't agree rising temperatures are good.
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Few Republicans in Congress now outwardly dismiss the scientific evidence that human activities — the burning of oil, gas and coal — have produced gases that are dangerously heating the Earth. But for many, denial of the cause of global temperature rise has been replaced by an insistence that the solution — replacing fossil fuels over time with wind, solar and other nonpolluting energy sources — will hurt the economy. New York Times news report
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Old 2nd October 2022, 09:32 AM   #1247
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
Apparently the GOP is switching to a new tactic. Global warming is real after all, but the cure may be worse than the disease. Except for GOP Congress member marjorie taylor greene. She thinks rising temperatures are actually good. As greene told a radio interviewer last summer:


While greene rejects the science -- "Climate just changes," she explains -- most of greene's Congressional colleagues don't agree rising temperatures are good.
Looks like a simple variation of "More carbon in the atmosphere helps plants grow better" as if that were the only thing that mattered.
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
Serious warnings about carbon emissions and climate change began in the early 1980s, forty years ago. Today events that were predicted are happening. But Ron DeSantis' position is typical GOP speak.


To update an old saying:
He prefers to err on the side of recklessness.
Global warming due to fossil fuel burning goes back to the 1800’s. But yes, we are now seeing confirmations of experimentally predicted events that date back to the 1980’s.
Wasn’t it Watt who as Regan’s Sec. of the Interior who said environmentalism was sill because Jesus was about to return anyway?
The insanity runs deep with republican idiots.
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Old 2nd October 2022, 10:21 AM   #1249
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Global warming due to fossil fuel burning goes back to the 1800’s. But yes, we are now seeing confirmations of experimentally predicted events that date back to the 1980’s.
Wasn’t it Watt who as Regan’s Sec. of the Interior who said environmentalism was sill because Jesus was about to return anyway?
The insanity runs deep with republican idiots.
IIRC, the fairly reliable predictions date at least back to the 1950s.
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It’s a point in the movie Soylent Green from 1973. Both mentioned and how everyone seems to be sweating constantly in the heat.
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The GOP suffers from "future blindness". They are concerned with the here and now and the future is not their concern. That's someone else's problem. If it means negatively affecting their pockets now...which has always been the primary focus of that party...they'll fight it.
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I sometimes wonder -- and reducing emissions is a good example -- just how much influence the Republican's corporate donors have over GOP policy. I think it becomes apparent when individual Republicans are willing to work on climate change-related issues -- like protecting wetlands, building higher, stronger sea walls or expanding storm drainage systems -- but refuse to even discuss the relationship between fossil fuel emissions and sea level rise, more intense storms, more frequent and severe heat waves. I have a feeling it's because they have been warned by the top donors, "Just don't talk about it. Period." When you see articles like this one from Kenyon College:
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Even if climate change were not such an urgent issue, the shift to renewable energy would make sense on purely economic grounds alone. Given the need to avoid the most significant impacts of climate change, the case isn’t even close. Kenyon link
The current GOP argument -- switching to renewable energy will cause widespread economic harm -- is very debatable. But Republicans refuse to have that debate. You have to wonder: who does the Republican leadership listen to? Scientists or corporate donors. From the corporate side -- having been employed by one -- they know not all corporations will do well if we switch to renewable energy sources. Corporations are filled with people who -- if it's a choice between what's best for their employer or everybody else -- they're sorr-eee, gotta do what I gotta do.
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
...snip

The current GOP argument -- switching to renewable energy will cause widespread economic harm -- is very debatable. But Republicans refuse to have that debate. You have to wonder: who does the Republican leadership listen to? Scientists or corporate donors. From the corporate side -- having been employed by one -- they know not all corporations will do well if we switch to renewable energy sources. Corporations are filled with people who -- if it's a choice between what's best for their employer or everybody else -- they're sorr-eee, gotta do what I gotta do.
Unfortunately, I think you are right. However, the buggy whip makers should provide a lesson to them. I just fear we won't see those corporations go the way of the buggy whip makers in my lifetime.
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The GOP suffers from "future blindness". They are concerned with the here and now and the future is not their concern. That's someone else's problem. If it means negatively affecting their pockets now...which has always been the primary focus of that party...they'll fight it.
Which is a poor set of blinders when the longest standing tent pole of the conservative/religious faction has been 'live your life for your children, grandchildren etc.' Family first, eh?
Their inheritance will be little comfort when noone will be able to afford a loaf of bread because the aquifers have collapsed and mass agriculture areas worldwide have shrunk to worthlessness.

Between that and the ominous looking potential that we've been poisoning ourselves with microplastic refuse for 100 years, and I have to reconsider likely explanations for there being no nearby "interstellar empires".
Isn't this combo more likely than self inflicted nuclear extinction?
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The GOP suffers from "future blindness". They are concerned with the here and now and the future is not their concern. That's someone else's problem. If it means negatively affecting their pockets now...which has always been the primary focus of that party...they'll fight it.
That comes directly from their CEO masters, who can see no farther than the next quarter's bottom line. Even if -- when -- it becomes blindingly obvious that planning for a warmer future is the way to future profits, they won't do it because it'd hurt next quarter's stock options.
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
I sometimes wonder -- and reducing emissions is a good example -- just how much influence the Republican's corporate donors have over GOP policy. I think it becomes apparent when individual Republicans are willing to work on climate change-related issues -- like protecting wetlands, building higher, stronger sea walls or expanding storm drainage systems -- but refuse to even discuss the relationship between fossil fuel emissions and sea level rise, more intense storms, more frequent and severe heat waves. I have a feeling it's because they have been warned by the top donors, "Just don't talk about it. Period." When you see articles like this one from Kenyon College:


The current GOP argument -- switching to renewable energy will cause widespread economic harm -- is very debatable. But Republicans refuse to have that debate. You have to wonder: who does the Republican leadership listen to? Scientists or corporate donors. From the corporate side -- having been employed by one -- they know not all corporations will do well if we switch to renewable energy sources. Corporations are filled with people who -- if it's a choice between what's best for their employer or everybody else -- they're sorr-eee, gotta do what I gotta do.
And if nothing is done, there won't be any ******* economy, there won't be any ******* corporations, there won't be ******* anybody left alive. The super rich will be the last ones to go, dying in their polar hideaways surrounded by their ******* gold, stocks and bonds. And someday, someone from another planet will come here, see how we ****** everything up, and put in their report "These people were a bunch of stupid, greedy **** ups who made all the mistakes our civilization avoided."
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Old 2nd October 2022, 05:11 PM   #1257
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It's like a race to the bottom.
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[Florida senators] Marco Rubio and Rick Scott sent a joint letter to the Senate Appropriations Committee chairs to secure funding to “provide much needed assistance to Florida.” Link to Tallahassee Democrat newspaper story
So Thursday the Senate passed a bill that included Ian relief funds. The two senators from Florida? Rick Scott voted against it and Rubio didn't show up at roll call.
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The Senate passed a short-term spending bill on Thursday that includes an additional $18.8 billion for the Federal Emergency Management Agency to respond to Hurricane Ian and future disasters. The vote was 72-25. Scott, however, voted against it, while Rubio was not present for the vote, according to the U.S. Senate roll call.
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Old 2nd October 2022, 05:44 PM   #1258
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It's like a race to the bottom.

So Thursday the Senate passed a bill that included Ian relief funds. The two senators from Florida? Rick Scott voted against it and Rubio didn't show up at roll call.
To be fair, it's pretty much a Catch-22 for them. Either they vote for it like a responsible person who is actually serving their constituents and engage in the deadly sin of working with the Democrats or do what they did to avoid the deadly sin of working with Democrats. They'll still likely try to claim credit, of course.
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Then why ask for the funds? To be fair, twenty-two Republican senators voted for the bill, including Senators McConnell and Lindsey Graham. The GOP senators who voted against the bill opposed it as being inflationary.
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It’s a point in the movie Soylent Green from 1973. Both mentioned and how everyone seems to be sweating constantly in the heat.
Better yet it was in the novel Make Room! Make Room!WP by Harry Harrison, published in 1966.
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SCOTUS declined to hear the MyPillow Guy's lawsuit to throw out his defamation lawsuit brought by Dominion.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/03/polit...ion/index.html

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Yet another of many who deserve to end up broke and in prison.
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Yet another of many who deserve to end up broke and in prison.
I really think he is insane. A psychiatric prison would work for me.
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SCOTUS declined to hear the MyPillow Guy's lawsuit to throw out his defamation lawsuit brought by Dominion.
As bad as the current SCOTUS is they really are showing no signs of taking election denial seriously.
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As bad as the current SCOTUS is they really are showing no signs of taking election denial seriously.
They do by giving support to gerrymandering and other ways to steal elections.
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They do by giving support to gerrymandering and other ways to steal elections.
I think I might agree with that except I see it as a whole different category of problems. Related, yes, true election denial, no.
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You're supposed to rig elections the honorable way, before any votes are even cast.
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I think I might agree with that except I see it as a whole different category of problems. Related, yes, true election denial, no.
Sorta. You have a point with election denial, sure. We've got quite a few states where election denial is on the ballot or effectively so, but not the Supreme Court, yet.

On the other hand, the whole Independent State Legislature crap is nigh inseparable from election denial and the partisan hacks that compromise too much of the Supreme Court look poised to rule in favor of the election deniers. It's possible that they may not succeed, but this particular court majority has shown the disregard of extremists for the health and continued existence of the US in general. It's a way to rig the system without directly engaging in illegal acts, so it's right up the GOP's alley. Not that the law stops a few too many of them in the first place, of course, as they use the general law-abiding Republican stereotypes for cover.
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I can understand Lindell's desire to avoid trial. Look at what the federal district court judge -- the judge, mind you -- said in dismissing Lindell's motion to dismiss the lawsuit:
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Judge Carl Nichols wrote that “in addition to alleging that Lindell’s claims are inherently improbable, that his sources are unreliable, and that he has failed to acknowledge the validity of countervailing evidence, Dominion has alleged numerous instances in which Lindell told audiences to purchase MyPillow products after making his claims of election fraud and providing MyPillow promotional codes related to those theories.” Dominion “has adequately alleged that Lindell made his claims knowing that they were false or with reckless disregard for the truth,” Nichols wrote. CNN link
Lindell is done. But he's just the latest in a long parade line of people who suffered major losses after hitching their wagon to donald john trump.

Hey, when you're that stupid...
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Hey, when you're that stupid...
Or, that invested in a narrative, financially. I'm not particularly convinced that Lindell actually believes the crap he's spouting so much as that he knows that he was well past the point of no return by the time he actually had to start facing the potential for consequences.
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I can understand Lindell's desire to avoid trial. Look at what the federal district court judge -- the judge, mind you -- said in dismissing Lindell's motion to dismiss the lawsuit:

Lindell is done. But he's just the latest in a long parade line of people who suffered major losses after hitching their wagon to donald john trump.

Hey, when you're that stupid...
Well, I hope he's done. But I think you may be reading too much in to that wording. "Adequately alleged" sounds like it's just the bar for letting a case go ahead. I don't think it translates to "adequately proven".
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Scott Jensen is running for Governor of Minnesota. Scott Jensen is a Republican. Someone pranked Jensen by telling him schools allow children to identify as cats and pee in a litter box. He totally believed it and ranted about it in a campaign appearance.
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Scott Jensen is running for Governor of Minnesota. Scott Jensen is a Republican. Someone pranked Jensen by telling him schools allow children to identify as cats and pee in a litter box. He totally believed it and ranted about it in a campaign appearance.
Bet he's pissed off now!






Look, sorry, but that was a gimme. I'll try better next time.
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Old 3rd October 2022, 01:30 PM   #1274
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And if nothing is done, there won't be any ******* economy, there won't be any ******* corporations, there won't be ******* anybody left alive. The super rich will be the last ones to go, dying in their polar hideaways surrounded by their ******* gold, stocks and bonds. And someday, someone from another planet will come here, see how we ****** everything up, and put in their report "These people were a bunch of stupid, greedy **** ups who made all the mistakes our civilization avoided."

Can I put you down as a vote for not-a-simulation, then?

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Old 3rd October 2022, 02:07 PM   #1275
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
SCOTUS declined to hear the MyPillow Guy's lawsuit to throw out his defamation lawsuit brought by Dominion.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/10/03/polit...ion/index.html

Also here:
https://news.yahoo.com/u-supreme-cou...140126063.html
Hey, to be fair Lindell finally got a case heard by the Supreme Court
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Old 3rd October 2022, 02:08 PM   #1276
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
Hey, to be fair Lindell finally got a case heard by the Supreme Court
Which one was that?
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Old 3rd October 2022, 02:27 PM   #1277
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
Hey, to be fair Lindell finally got a case heard by the Supreme Court
Originally Posted by RecoveringYuppy View Post
Which one was that?
Wasn't this one. The SC declined to hear it.
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Old 4th October 2022, 02:59 AM   #1278
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
Scott Jensen is running for Governor of Minnesota. Scott Jensen is a Republican.
Someone pranked Jensen by telling him schools allow children to identify as
cats and pee in a litter box.

He totally believed it and ranted about it in a campaign appearance.

Is that why The Onion filed an amicus brief with SC because Republican Party
politicians threatened their business model by making parody impossible?
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Old 4th October 2022, 08:17 AM   #1279
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Originally Posted by slyjoe View Post
Wasn't this one. The SC declined to hear it.
I wouldn't be surprised if it never even made it to the eyesight of an SC justice, and instead some clerk took one look at it and binned it.
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Originally Posted by Checkmite View Post
Given the sheer number of people who completely lost their **** after she played it, I believe it would be only fair to credit Lizzo with the discovery of the infamous Brown Note.
I'm trying to figure out how it is "desecrating" for Lizzo to play the flute. I'm pretty sure the actual reason they are upset is because she's black, but what is their stated excuse?
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