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Old 30th September 2022, 12:47 AM   #281
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Originally Posted by d4m10n View Post
You seem to believe this man was assaulted by trans activists carrying trans flags but that somehow they weren't activists from the left. What you may be missing is that here in the U.S. trans activism is coming almost entirely from the left. You won't meet someone doing trans activism from, say, libertarian premises. It's always bound up with the intersectionalist project, which is itself born from critical theory, which was always a project of the left.

You made a claim, you were unable to support it and now you're trying to squirm out.
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Old 30th September 2022, 10:10 AM   #282
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Originally Posted by varwoche View Post
Mayhem 5+ years ago. No shots fired, no deaths, no serious injuries. How incredibly weak this VERY dangerous phenomenon is.

It's fortunate that antifa doesn't commit mass murders, nor plot to kidnap governors, nor burn synagogues, nor plot to assassinate Biden, nor violently attempt to overthrow democracy. It's also fortunate that elected leaders don't brazenly support antifa.

Maybe you should contact the FBI and ask them to categorize antifa as a terrorist group, ala Qanon, what with the threat being so VERY real.
There were deaths and injuries, the vast majority of such coming from law-enforcement and right-wing gangs.
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Old 30th September 2022, 10:24 AM   #283
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I love how this thread is mostly leftists denying that leftist violence exists. History sure says otherwise.
I love how you outright lie about what everyone can simply read. There is no denial of violence from leftists. What is important is to note that there is little evidence of POLITICAL violence from the left, especially any political violence that is supported, condoned or enabled from left-wing leaders or politicians; At least nothing in the last 2 or 3 generations.
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Old 30th September 2022, 10:26 AM   #284
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Originally Posted by thaiboxerken View Post
I love how you outright lie about what everyone can simply read. There is no denial of violence from leftists. What is important is to note that there is little evidence of POLITICAL violence from the left, especially any political violence that is supported, condoned or enabled from left-wing leaders or politicians; At least nothing in the last 2 or 3 generations.

I would disagree with your assertion. Violence takes many forms; the ideology is at the core, whether recognized or not.
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Old 30th September 2022, 10:36 AM   #285
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I would disagree with your assertion. Violence takes many forms; the ideology is at the core, whether recognized or not.
Would that include the ideological violence of passing off the criminality of misters Trump and DeSantis as being "just politics"?

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Old 30th September 2022, 11:39 AM   #286
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Originally Posted by catsmate View Post

So, unable to support your previous claims with facts and evidence you're going to randomly through words around. Again.
Ok, you got me.

In the absence of hardcore irrefutable stand-up-in-a-court-of-law evidence Seargent was delivered his lesson on what happens to those who dare deviate from current trans orthodoxy I'm forced to admit he could have been given his beatdown by a far right wing trans group like Trannies for Trump.
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Old 30th September 2022, 01:29 PM   #287
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Originally Posted by Warp12 View Post
I would disagree with your assertion. Violence takes many forms; the ideology is at the core, whether recognized or not.
Of course you would, because to agree with it would be admitting that you lie. The thread has yet to demonstrate political violence from the left happening at any significant rate, especially when compared to today's Republicans.

I only say this because there is ample evidence to support my view. Your claims are not based in reality.
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Originally Posted by Stout View Post
Ok, you got me.

In the absence of hardcore irrefutable stand-up-in-a-court-of-law evidence Seargent was delivered his lesson on what happens to those who dare deviate from current trans orthodoxy I'm forced to admit he could have been given his beatdown by a far right wing trans group like Trannies for Trump.

So you continu8e to try and wallpaper over your previous nonsense with more drivel.
Pathetic, but unsurprisingly typical.
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Old 2nd October 2022, 12:12 PM   #289
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Originally Posted by catsmate View Post
Still unable to support your claims?
I'm not sure what you are having trouble with here.

Activists at Burlington Pride were distributing stickers like this:

https://twitter.com/LGBAlliance_USA/...30086206472195

Some activists at Burlington Pride acted on the advice in that sticker, which encouraged violent reprisals against TERFs.

The only question left is the politics of the people pushing for direct action against TERFs, but thankfully PraxiStudios have been pretty open about that.
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Shannon Brandt, whom the right-wing have gone bonkers over, has now been charged with murder (replacing vehicular manslaughter). MTG, Trump, et al have all claimed that this Ellington was killed by a Democrat/ radical-leftist because he was a Republican However:
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Local news website Valley News Live reported that witnesses interviewed by investigators did not support the idea that there was a political argument before Brandt struck Cayler with his car. The report adds that a family friend who knew Cayler told the outlet that the teen was not active in politics.

Fox News similarly reported that police found “no evidence” to support that the incident involved politics. Brandt’s neighbors also told Fox News that the man had mental health issues and that his alleged attack on Cayler was not motivated by politics.
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Are folks here actually arguing that Leftists have not engaged in any organized political violence over the last 6 years?

Wow.
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Old 2nd October 2022, 04:54 PM   #292
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Originally Posted by catsmate View Post

So you continu8e to try and wallpaper over your previous nonsense with more drivel.
Pathetic, but unsurprisingly typical.
So...Do you have any evidence Seargent wasn't beat down by "the left" or are just here to piss and moan?
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Are folks here actually arguing that Leftists have not engaged in any organized political violence over the last 6 years?

Wow.
Nope. But since when does that matter?
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Originally Posted by Hercules56 View Post
Are folks here actually arguing that Leftists have not engaged in any organized political violence over the last 6 years?

Wow.
You're knee-jerking to unfounded conclusions. And you failed to acknowledge that you've been busted foisting pics from riots in Spain and Italy.

Wow.
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Really? You have to go to a Japanese Communist group that was active 50-20 years ago?
Do I "have to"? No. It just seemed like a pretty good example to me.

Seems like a perfectly cromulent example to me. Better than some others had been offered.

Were they "on the left"? Clearly. Were they "violent"? Also a resounding yes.

There are even more violent examples I can think of. Ever heard of the Khmer Rouge?
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we have violence on the left in india. most times it is fully justified.
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Do I "have to"? No. It just seemed like a pretty good example to me.

Seems like a perfectly cromulent example to me. Better than some others had been offered.
No...it was not a good example at all.

You do know we're talking about American leftist violence, not Japanese or French or Italian, don't you? Your example is about as relevant to this thread as bringing up Mussolini's Brown Shirts' violence in the right-wing violence thread.




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Were they "on the left"? Clearly. Were they "violent"? Also a resounding yes.
That depends on how you define "the left". Psssst....just because some groups have "communist" or "socialist" or "Democratic" in their name or claim that ideology, doesn't mean they are actual "lefties" as we know them in this country...no matter how hard the right-wing tries to push that lie. Nazis were "national socialists", the USSR was communist, North Korea is a "Democratic Republic, China is communist but do you really think they are in any way comparable to American liberals/leftists? Do you want to try and equate Bernie Sanders or AOC to Hitler, Stalin, the Kims, or Xi?

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Are you seriously comparing Democrats/liberals to the Khmer Rouge? Or that the Khmer Rouge were anything but autocratic, totalitarian and repressive?
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many of the left wing intellectuals that the khmer rouge exterminated would argue other wise. americans tend to have a very naive, un-nuanced grasp of the left-right socio-political dichotomy.
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many of the left wing intellectuals that the khmer rouge exterminated would argue other wise. americans tend to have a very naive, un-nuanced grasp of the left-right socio-political dichotomy.
Why would killing people on the Left mean they aren't on the Left? Am I understanding this correctly? Isn't being on the Left about ideology?
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No...it was not a good example at all.
Nothing wrong with the example.

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You do know we're talking about American leftist violence, not Japanese or French or Italian, don't you?
Read the OP. Nothing in it specifically limits the topic to American leftist violence.



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Are you seriously comparing Democrats/liberals to the Khmer Rouge?
Of course not. Please actually read my posts. Can you quote any part of it where I made such a comparison? I haven't said a word about Democrats or liberals, have I? I certainly didn't compare them to the Khmer Rouge. Zero for reading comprehension.


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Or that the Khmer Rouge were anything but autocratic, totalitarian and repressive?
The were all of those things and more. Not sure what you mean by "anything but". They were also leftists.
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If we are going back to the original Leftists, the Jacobins... it's not as if they weren't guilty of a lot of these things as well. They repressed the Girondist faction, which was anti-monarchist and hence on the Left, I assume. I think a case could be made that they were autocratic, totalitarian and repressive, at least for periods of time. Are we going to argue that the Jacobins weren't really on the Left? Was Robespierre actually on the Right?
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Nothing wrong with the example.


Read the OP. Nothing in it specifically limits the topic to American leftist violence.
This is the USA Politics section.
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many of the left wing intellectuals that the khmer rouge exterminated would argue other wise. americans tend to have a very naive, un-nuanced grasp of the left-right socio-political dichotomy.
Very naive? Un-nuanced? Oh Susheel pundit, you should win the door prize for massive understatement.

Here's one American who declares that his countrymen live in a political dollhouse that would embarass Winnie the Poo. Witness their sub-idiotic conception of leftism, a politics that hasn't existed in America since Big Bill Haywood made his run. (I'm referring to a man whom an Indian might have to look up in Wikipedia, but I know you can be trusted to do so.)

I've tried to make my dear compatriots understand something of left politics, but alas, their minds appear to be frozen, like neglected automobile engines that refuse to turn over.
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John Wayne Gacy was an active Democrat. Highly active. Busy busy busy.
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Are folks here actually arguing that Leftists have not engaged in any organized political violence over the last 6 years?
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Looked pretty organized.
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One of my favorite movies.
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One of my favorite movies.
One of mine as well, or that scene wouldn't've sprung to mind.
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Originally Posted by Puppycow View Post
Nothing wrong with the example.


Read the OP. Nothing in it specifically limits the topic to American leftist violence.




Of course not. Please actually read my posts. Can you quote any part of it where I made such a comparison? I haven't said a word about Democrats or liberals, have I? I certainly didn't compare them to the Khmer Rouge. Zero for reading comprehension.




The were all of those things and more. Not sure what you mean by "anything but". They were also leftists.
Oh, please. Try reading the top of the page which reads :"General Topics USA Politics Violence on the Left".
So much for "zero for reading comprehension".
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John Wayne Gacy was an active Democrat. Highly active. Busy busy busy.
And his killing homosexual mean was politically related?

That this has strayed from US politically related violence to the irrelevant foreign and "John Wayne Gacy" examples we've seen presented is just pathetic.
What next?
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Leftist violence is more sophisticated as of late. Silencing voices is where the real power lies; silence them, and disarm them.
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It's not the left that is telling teachers they can't talk about a myriad of subjects or banning books.
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Remind me again - which party dominates in the states where electoral laws have been passed that would have the effect of suppressing the vote? I'll say one thing for you Warp, you can't see the mote in your own eye.
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I'm not sure what you are having trouble with here.

Activists at Burlington Pride were distributing stickers like this:

https://twitter.com/LGBAlliance_USA/...30086206472195

Some activists at Burlington Pride acted on the advice in that sticker, which encouraged violent reprisals against TERFs.

The only question left is the politics of the people pushing for direct action against TERFs, but thankfully PraxiStudios have been pretty open about that.
So far you have guilt by association, so tenuous that the people you're tarring with that broad brush were not only not there, but were thousands of miles away. Do you have any better examples?
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Leftist violence is more sophisticated as of late. Silencing voices is where the real power lies; silence them, and disarm them.
What to post when the facts are overwhelmingly against one's tribe?

Answer: Weird drivel that makes a mockery of stationary goalposts.
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No...it was not a good example at all.

You do know we're talking about American leftist violence, not Japanese or French or Italian, don't you? Your example is about as relevant to this thread as bringing up Mussolini's Brown Shirts' violence in the right-wing violence thread.






That depends on how you define "the left". Psssst....just because some groups have "communist" or "socialist" or "Democratic" in their name or claim that ideology, doesn't mean they are actual "lefties" as we know them in this country...no matter how hard the right-wing tries to push that lie. Nazis were "national socialists", the USSR was communist, North Korea is a "Democratic Republic, China is communist but do you really think they are in any way comparable to American liberals/leftists? Do you want to try and equate Bernie Sanders or AOC to Hitler, Stalin, the Kims, or Xi?



Are you seriously comparing Democrats/liberals to the Khmer Rouge? Or that the Khmer Rouge were anything but autocratic, totalitarian and repressive?
Actually, not in some time. A Chinese citizen can become very rich by taking capital and starting a business. They just have to kowtow to the regime. That's not communism, its fascism.

Also its worth nothing that the Khmer Rouge was defeated by communist Vietnam. The Left/Right thing as it applies to modern US politics stops making any sort of sense when talking about communist states. Command economy states with oppressive totalitarian regimes who spent massive percentages of their GDP on the military are not "liberal".

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Are folks here actually arguing that Leftists have not engaged in any organized political violence over the last 6 years?

Wow.
Can you give me an example of organized political violence from the Left in the USA in the last 6 years? I'm not claiming that there hasn't been, I just can't recall any. I also cannot recall elected "lefties" condoning or enabling political violence either.
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Actually, not in some time. A Chinese citizen can become very rich by taking capital and starting a business. They just have to kowtow to the regime. That's not communism, its fascism.

Also its worth nothing that the Khmer Rouge was defeated by communist Vietnam. The Left/Right thing as it applies to modern US politics stops making any sort of sense when talking about communist states. Command economy states with oppressive totalitarian regimes who spent massive percentages of their GDP on the military are not "liberal".
It is also worth noting that it was a Vietnamese Communist invasion of Cambodia that stopped the genocide there. Of course the Vietnamese didn't do it out of the goodness of their hearts, but because they decided, quite reasonably, that there was no way they could get along along with the Khmer Rouge regime. Why? Well because the Khmer Rouge regime was bent on making border changes and was absolutely paranoid and so kept provoking the Vietnamese with border raids, refusing to negotiate in any reasonable way. And the raids creasted hundreds of thousands of refugees and were accompanied by hideous massacres of Vietnamese civilians. And the genocide of Vietnamese living Cambodia was another factor i nall this. After a couple of years of this the Vietnamese had had enough. The Khmer Rouge had behaved in a similar fashion towards Laos and Thailand. And of course the Vietnamese did see it has an opportunity to secure hegemony in South East Asia.

In all this much of the West was quite righly condemning the hideous cruelty / atrocities of the Khmer Rouge but didn't have a clue and was not it appears very anxious to do much of anything to stop the horror. The result was when the Vietnamese did in fact invade Cambodia the West condemned the invasion and demanded Vietnamese withdrawel. THis of course would have put the Khmer Rouge back in power and enable them to continue the genocide.

Subsequently the West supported a coalition of Guerilla forces against the new puppet government in Cambodia dominated by the Khmer Rouge and for years refused to recognize the new Cambodian government. This was of course support for the Khmer Rouge.

In all this we see the operation of realpolitik, the suffering of the Cambodian people was always a very secondary concern in the eyes of the various governments involved. The reaction of Western governments to the Vietnamese invasion was vastly stronger than their reactions to Khmer Rouge atrocities. And of course the main motives of the Vietnamese government in invading Cambodia were again cold blooded realpolitik and very little concern to stop the genocide in Cambodia.

Still the invasion by Vietnam, despite the subsequent brutal guerilla war, did stop the genocide and saved countless lives. That humanitarian concerns were not much concern to various Western powers is shown quite clearly by the demand that Vietnam withdraw even though at the time it would mean the restablishment of Khmer Rouge rule.

As a side note the Khmer Rouge were also obsessed with ethnic purity and this played a role in their atrocities and is also quite right-wing Fascist.
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An 84-year-old grandmother and Right to Life volunteer was shot in the back after an argument where she was doorknocking in opposition to a legislative proposal. The homeowner disagreed with her opinion and shot her in the back as she was walking away.

He can be heard on the 911 dispatch call describing the victim as a "right-wing nut."
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Two Greg Abbott volunteers were chased out of Houston neighborhood while doorknocking for Abbott's campaign. The man chased them around the neighborhood before breaking both mirrors off of their vehicle and trying to drag him out of the car.

The wackjob has been charged with criminal mischief.
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