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Old 23rd December 2018, 02:20 PM   #201
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Thanks @RandPaul “I am very proud of the President. This is exactly what he promised, and I think the people agree with him. We’ve been at war too long and in too many places...spent several trillion dollars on these wars everywhere. He’s different...that’s why he got elected.”
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Old 23rd December 2018, 03:01 PM   #202
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
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Thanks @RandPaul “I am very proud of the President. This is exactly what he promised, and I think the people agree with him. We’ve been at war too long and in too many places...spent several trillion dollars on these wars everywhere. He’s different...that’s why he got elected.”
Oh, he's 'different' all right. I'll give him that.
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Old 23rd December 2018, 03:43 PM   #203
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Okay, well, this could be relevant.

It's been reported that Trump has become favourable to Erik Prince's proposition to privatise the war in Afghanistan, and has been pushing it to Afghan officials

Blackwater, Prince's private security firm, has just taken out an ad in Recoil magazine simply saying "We Are Coming"

Fox News is now pushing for privatising the war in Syria

Mattis was opposed to privatising war. Oh, and Prince is implicated in the Russia scandal. Betsy DeVos is is sister.
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Old 23rd December 2018, 03:51 PM   #204
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Oh, good god.
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Old 23rd December 2018, 04:54 PM   #205
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Oh, the cluelessness

Your concerns come a little bit late, folks.
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Old 23rd December 2018, 07:04 PM   #206
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Just re-reading what I've written there, I got turned around on the first link. The way I've written it implies that Trump is pushing privatising the war to Afghan officials, whereas it's Prince that's doing so. That's what I meant, but clarity was lost when I re-phrased what I was typing in the middle of typing it.
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Old 23rd December 2018, 07:50 PM   #207
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Are you not a native speaker?
He doesn't abide by the standard definitions of the English language, or any definitions he doesn't like.
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Old 23rd December 2018, 07:51 PM   #208
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Oh, good god.
The corruption knows no bounds, continues, and grows under Trump.
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The corruption knows no bounds, continues, and grows under Trump.
Like a fast spreading cancer.
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Old 24th December 2018, 02:09 AM   #210
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https://twitter.com/RichardEngel/sta...16483529216000

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Spoke to a professor with deep connections into Kurdish leadership in Syria. I asked him about the mood there after Trump announcement, his answer sent chills:
Hurt, betrayed, and angry.
They'll all be dead soon...
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Oh, good god.
Yay, let's bring on mercenarys with no accountability! Guns for hire! Wohoo!

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Old 24th December 2018, 02:44 AM   #212
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Oh, Richard Engel, the guy who said he thought he was kidnapped by the "regime" only to find out that it were cuddly moderate rebels who bothered him. Great source, as always, Squeegee.
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Oh, Richard Engel, the guy who said he thought he was kidnapped by the "regime" only to find out that it were cuddly moderate rebels who bothered him. Great source, as always, Squeegee.
Says the Putina. Ahahaha. Hilarious.
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“It should not be the job of America to replace regimes around the world. This is what President Trump recognized in Iraq, that it was the biggest foreign policy disaster of the last several decades, and he’s right...The generals still don’t get the mistake.” @RandPaul
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Old 24th December 2018, 05:33 AM   #215
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President @RT_Erdogan of Turkey has very strongly informed me that he will eradicate whatever is left of ISIS in Syria....and he is a man who can do it plus, Turkey is right “next door.” Our troops are coming home!
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Erdogan is going to eradicate the Kurds... ISIS...they're all the same to Trumpanzees.
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Old 24th December 2018, 10:02 AM   #217
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Says the Putina. Ahahaha. Hilarious.
There is a word for that - PutinversteherWP.

I wonder what will happen to the deployments closer to Russia's "near abroad." We had a Stryker division roaming around Northeastern Poland for a while. NATO troops are in the Baltics in at least some small numbers. I believe that we have troops or at least air support for Georgia. If these deployments are jeopardized, it's potentially of bigger consequence to the Western powers than is the Mid-East, imho.
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You just have to read the transcript to know that this is not true.

To the others: You are not taking all available evidence into account, you rely on one side only. And again, I'm not "defending" or "apologizing". I'm shaking my head in disbelief about how well this constant propaganda still works in times when everybody can see through it if they want. And they should want if they consider themselves "skeptics".

Anyway, Putin has, contrary to the laughable thread title, almost nothing to do with the topic, to discuss which I am here. Get over your conditioning.
I have been to Russia and listened to them describe Putin in their own words. They know he is an utter bastard tin-pot warlord, but he is THEIR utter bastard tin-pot warlord. And smarter than Trump by several miles.
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For the same reason a dog licks its balls.
Putin has trump to lick his balls
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For the same reason a dog licks its balls.
To take away the taste of it's food?
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To take away the taste of it's food?
Because it can. Jeeze, doesn't anybody know the classic jokes anymore?
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Old 24th December 2018, 12:27 PM   #223
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Yes but I was thinking of this from Red Dwarf.

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Old 24th December 2018, 04:00 PM   #224
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
To take away the taste of it's food?
I already did that one.
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Because it can. Jeeze, doesn't anybody know the classic jokes anymore?
Yes. Then they intentionally pretend not to and instead reference something else, because that's even funnier.
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Yes but I was thinking of this from Red Dwarf.

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The Republican party ate the Trump dogfood because they thought they they had to, they're at the ball-licking stage right now.
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Old 25th December 2018, 08:35 AM   #227
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Your offered link, coming on the heels of ridiculing us for "cluelessness", is suspicious.

Before snake oil can successfully be sold, one must first convince the marks that something is wrong with them that only your snake oil can cure.

The tactic works better if you look healthy.
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There is a word for that - PutinversteherWP.

I wonder what will happen to the deployments closer to Russia's "near abroad." We had a Stryker division roaming around Northeastern Poland for a while. NATO troops are in the Baltics in at least some small numbers. I believe that we have troops or at least air support for Georgia. If these deployments are jeopardized, it's potentially of bigger consequence to the Western powers than is the Mid-East, imho.
There are 2-3 multinational brigades in the Baltics. Enough for a NATO division.

Not enough to do more than die in place and force NATO's hand, but it's a statement of intent that the mutual defence clause is for real.
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Don't underestimate what that division can do.
A fighting retreat by well trained and equipped troops over prepared ground is a very big equaliser.
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Don't underestimate what that division can do.
A fighting retreat by well trained and equipped troops over prepared ground is a very big equaliser.
I don't underestimate what it can do. Couple of my lads are augmenting the artillery unit for the Cdn led brigade right now.
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I don't underestimate what it can do. Couple of my lads are augmenting the artillery unit for the Cdn led brigade right now.
I have a nephew in the Baltics, he's a combat medic.
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I have a nephew in the Baltics, he's a combat medic.
Here's to hoping that their most dangerous situation involves trying to pick up one of the locals.
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Here's to hoping that their most dangerous situation involves trying to pick up one of the locals.
He's home for Christmas at the moment. He's at Windsor Castle in the new year.
Either they are expecting something gruesome or hew is on ceremonial.

To be honest he is an embarrasment.
Went off to be a 'Brown Job' and us, a family with a 'Jack' in the 'Andrew' for generations!
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He's home for Christmas at the moment. He's at Windsor Castle in the new year.
Either they are expecting something gruesome or hew is on ceremonial.

To be honest he is an embarrasment.
Went off to be a 'Brown Job' and us, a family with a 'Jack' in the 'Andrew' for generations!
I'm sure the family will survive the move up in the world.
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M.K. Bhadrakumar with a solid commentary on the end of the Mad Dog:

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[...] Syria and Afghanistan are only illustrative examples of how the Pentagon has a corporate interest in fighting open-ended wars. In both cases, a military victory is no longer regarded as feasible, and it is the hidden geopolitical agenda that matters to the Pentagon. Equally, cascading tensions with Russia or the open-ended wars translate as bigger budgetary allocation for the Pentagon, which of course largely goes to fund the military-industrial complex. One can take a safe bet that it is a matter of time before Mattis himself gets re-employed in the corporate board of some big arms manufacturing enterprise. The passion with which he has been advocating Saudi Arabia’s cause in the downstream of the Jamal Khashoggi affair speaks volumes about the unholy nexus at work involving the sheikhs, the Pentagon and the arms vendors – and the US lawmakers.

This sort of nexus has spawned a powerful coalition of interest groups who are viscerally opposed to a “demilitarization” of the US foreign policies, which is at the core of Trump’s agenda. Their favorite candidate in the 2016 election was Hillary Clinton. Their focus today is on debilitating the Trump presidency in any whichever way they can and to work toward ensuring that Trump doesn’t win a second term.

In this holding operation, Mattis played a stellar role by systematically undermining the Trump agenda. Mattis is a skilled operator in the military bureaucracy and his departure leaves a void for the Swamp. But his exit is not going to be the end of the vicious struggle going on in American politics. The good part is that Trump seems to understand that it will be a downhill slope ahead of him unless he took a last-ditch stance and dug in now to assert his constitutional prerogative as the president to push his foreign policy agenda. The point is, that agenda also happens to be linked to Trump’s campaign platform for the 2020 election.

The Russians are pretty open that they don't believe Trump's orders will be followed and so far haven't seen any signs of it.
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The YPG has invited the SAA to take over Manbij to protect it from Turkey, which they immediately did!
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From the latest by Elijah Magnier on Manbij and Trump's visit to Iraq:

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[...] A few hours before Trump’s arrival, US Ambassador Douglas Silliman told Abdel Mahdi that Trump would receive him in the US part of the base. Trump refused to visit Baghdad for a quick reception; neither would he even cross over to the Iraqi side of Ayn al-Assad, for security reasons. Abdel Mahdi refused the US invitation, as did the Iraqi president and speaker. All three politicians have risen in public esteem for having refused the US invitation. [...]

The US president seems prepared to keep his promise to withdraw from Syria, at least in the case of Manbij. The US announced an “organised exit”, meaning withdrawal in coordination with Turkey so that Ankara’s forces could replace withdrawing US troops. Turkey has been preparing to enter Manbij and Tal Abiad by gathering thousands of forces and proxies standing at the borders of the Syrian province. Nevertheless, the deal reached on Thursday night between the Syrian government and the YPG Kurds gave the green light to the 1st and 5th divisions of the Syrian army to take back Manbij (still on the outskirt) and raise Russian and Syrian flags over the city. This development is blocking the road for Turkey and its proxies to move into the province. The decision was communicated to Turkey via Russia. [...]

There is no doubt that Iraq is a close ally of Iran and not a fanatic supporter of the US. The Iraqi parliament can exert pressure over the government of Prime Minister Adel Abdel Mahdi to ask President Trump to pull out US troops before the end of his mandate in 2020. The US establishment and the “Axis of the Resistance” can both connive and plan, but the last word will belong to the people of Iraq and to those who reject US hegemony in the Middle East, those who can accept losses and nurse their wounds in hopes of a better future.

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From the latest by Elijah Magnier on Manbij and Trump's visit to Iraq:
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...There is no doubt that Iraq is a close ally of Iran and not a fanatic supporter of the US. The Iraqi parliament can exert pressure over the government of Prime Minister Adel Abdel Mahdi to ask President Trump to pull out US troops before the end of his mandate in 2020. The US establishment and the “Axis of the Resistance” can both connive and plan, but the last word will belong to the people of Iraq and to those who reject US hegemony in the Middle East, those who can accept losses and nurse their wounds in hopes of a better future.
They're what, now??

Also, you overestimate by several cubic fortnites how strategic Trump's thinking is. He can barely think beyond "What's for lunch?" When he visited that air base he had no idea where it was and barely walked more than a few metres inside a secure building and he read (poorly) from a prepared speech. He saw nothing, learned nothing, thought nothing. He could have been in Arizona for all the value the visit was worth.
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
Also, you overestimate by several cubic fortnites how strategic Trump's thinking is. He can barely think beyond "What's for lunch?" When he visited that air base he had no idea where it was and barely walked more than a few metres inside a secure building and he read (poorly) from a prepared speech. He saw nothing, learned nothing, thought nothing. He could have been in Arizona for all the value the visit was worth.

That's all in your head, Norman.

As to the Iraq-Iran alliance I doubt you can find a pundit worth mentioning of any political background who isn't aware of how that "winning hearts and minds" (by blowing them up) operation went. Iran has been the winner.
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
That's all in your head, Norman.
There's certainly nothing strategic in Trump's head. He has "the best people" to do his thinking for him.

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As to the Iraq-Iran alliance I doubt you can find a pundit worth mentioning of any political background who isn't aware of how that "winning hearts and minds" (by blowing them up) operation went. Iran has been the winner.
Ah, so you agree. That whole "all Muslims think alike and agree" notion of an Iraq/Iran alliance is utter bull-****.

And I find no pundits are worth mentioning.
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