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Old 30th September 2018, 03:57 PM   #521
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I've always believed that what scares Trump about the Mueller investigation is not about Russia collusion in the election, but illegal financial shenanigans going on. This could be money laundering, tax fraud, bank fraud, or any host of things. Whatever it is, Trump is scared to death which is why he's done all in his power to derail and discredit both the investigation and Mueller personally.
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Old 30th September 2018, 07:00 PM   #522
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I've always believed that what scares Trump about the Mueller investigation is not about Russia collusion in the election, but illegal financial shenanigans going on. This could be money laundering, tax fraud, bank fraud, or any host of things. Whatever it is, Trump is scared to death which is why he's done all in his power to derail and discredit both the investigation and Mueller personally.
Pssst, follow the money. Who lent money to Trump when US banks wouldn't touch him? Check out "Active Measures"*.





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Old 1st October 2018, 08:05 AM   #523
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
And Putin's game was honed in the Cold War KGB and the post-collapse kleptocracy. The mind boggles at the kinds of deals he must have made, the favors granted and the hit jobs carried out, to convince the Russian oligarchs that they should let him rule the country.
You have the relationship back-asswards. The oligarchs didn't permit Putin to rule : Putin permitted selected oligarchs to continue operating under his rule, within limits he sets.
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Old 1st October 2018, 08:07 AM   #524
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I've always believed that what scares Trump about the Mueller investigation is not about Russia collusion in the election, but illegal financial shenanigans going on. This could be money laundering, tax fraud, bank fraud, or any host of things. Whatever it is, Trump is scared to death which is why he's done all in his power to derail and discredit both the investigation and Mueller personally.
I agree.
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Old 1st October 2018, 08:09 AM   #525
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I've always believed that what scares Trump about the Mueller investigation is not about Russia collusion in the election, but illegal financial shenanigans going on. This could be money laundering, tax fraud, bank fraud, or any host of things. Whatever it is, Trump is scared to death which is why he's done all in his power to derail and discredit both the investigation and Mueller personally.
I think in the end, Trump doesn't have a penny to his name that isn't beholden to the Russians somehow, which is to say, to Putin. Being shown as a pauper sure isn't something Trump's ego can withstand.
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Old 1st October 2018, 08:29 AM   #526
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I think in the end, Trump doesn't have a penny to his name that isn't beholden to the Russians somehow, which is to say, to Putin. Being shown as a pauper sure isn't something Trump's ego can withstand.

For years, people said that Trump would never actually run for President, because releasing his tax returns would show that he was nowhere near as wealthy as he pretended to be, and he wouldn't allow that damage to his media image. We saw what happened there.
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Old 2nd October 2018, 12:17 AM   #527
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Well, he's definitely hiding something. There would be no reason for him to hide his tax returns and try so desperately to discredit the Mueller investigation. To paraphrase Shakespeare, methinks he doth protest too much.
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Old 2nd October 2018, 05:08 AM   #528
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Well, he's definitely hiding something. There would be no reason for him to hide his tax returns and try so desperately to discredit the Mueller investigation. To paraphrase Shakespeare, methinks he doth protest too much.
Doubting his billionaire status in print at least used to get you sued.
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Old 2nd October 2018, 08:43 AM   #529
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I think in the end, Trump doesn't have a penny to his name that isn't beholden to the Russians somehow, which is to say, to Putin. Being shown as a pauper sure isn't something Trump's ego can withstand.
Look, just because Trump has had multiple businesses declare bankruptcy, calls himself the "king of debt", can't get loans from American banks anymore, had a son who admitted they can get all the money they need out of Russia, and has associates with business dealings with Russia is no reason to suspect that Trump isn't a completely successful businessman who isn't fabulously wealthy independent of Russia.
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Look, just because Trump has had multiple businesses declare bankruptcy, calls himself the "king of debt", can't get loans from American banks anymore, had a son who admitted they can get all the money they need out of Russia, and has associates with business dealings with Russia is no reason to suspect that Trump isn't a completely successful businessman who isn't fabulously wealthy independent of Russia.
Don't forget that he claimed to 100% leverage all his real estate deals, so apparently has either no capital to invest or prefers to keep it all under his mattress.
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Old 2nd October 2018, 10:17 AM   #531
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Don't forget that he claimed to 100% leverage all his real estate deals, so apparently has either no capital to invest or prefers to keep it all under his mattress.
In "Fear" Kushner is quoted as saying that Trump has very little cash.
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Old 3rd October 2018, 12:11 AM   #532
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Trump has taken to asking rhetorically why Obama didn't warn about Russian interference before the election.

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A Washington Post reporter revealed new details about former CIA director John Brennan’s efforts to counter Russian election interference — and how Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell thwarted him.

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“He’s meeting with McConnell,” he said, “and McConnell is basically telling him, ‘You’re telling us that Russia is trying to help elect Trump, (but) if you come forward with this, I’m not going to sign on to any sort of public statement that would condemn Russian interference, but I will condemn you and the Obama administration for trying to mess up this election.'”
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Old 3rd October 2018, 12:19 AM   #533
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Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha View Post
Trump has taken to asking rhetorically why Obama didn't warn about Russian interference before the election.



Linky.
This is a fact that Republicans ignore, they completely ignore this. They pretend it didn't happen and won't even address it.
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Old 3rd October 2018, 12:20 AM   #534
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Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha View Post
Trump has taken to asking rhetorically why Obama didn't warn about Russian interference before the election.



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Old 3rd October 2018, 04:20 AM   #535
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Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha View Post
Trump has taken to asking rhetorically why Obama didn't warn about Russian interference before the election.



Linky.
Yeah... this has been pretty clear for a while and is the most prominent reason for why I've called McConnell treasonous a few times now, rather than simply an utter scumbag who doesn't care about the US' future much at all. I don't like Obama's actions on that matter all that much, but I find them understandable, even if I consider them to be a mistake. McConnell's actions, however, are unconscionable.
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Old 3rd October 2018, 04:47 AM   #536
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Originally Posted by Tsukasa Buddha View Post
Trump has taken to asking rhetorically why Obama didn't warn about Russian interference before the election.



Linky.
Traitor. There's no other word for McConnell.
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Old 6th October 2018, 05:31 AM   #537
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Rep. Eric Salwell has written an OP-Ed detailing Devin Nunes' alleged buying of evidence of collaboration between Trump's team and the Russians
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My guess is that Mueller has a stack of requests for the House ready to go if Democrats take over.
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I missed this last month, but this is absolutely hilarious: The US government has reportedly sanctioned Oleg Deripaska by mistake
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I missed this last month, but this is absolutely hilarious: The US government has reportedly sanctioned Oleg Deripaska by mistake
Err... based on the article, it wasn't so much by mistake so much as to cover up a mistake.

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“There will be sanctions that come out of this report,” Mnuchin said—a surprise statement, because while Congress had ordered the department to create a report on Russian oligarchs, it didn’t require that any sanctions be imposed based on it.

Mnuchin’s slip-up forced Treasury officials to scramble to come up with a plan that would match the secretary’s under-oath statement, according to four congressional sources directly involved in the sanctions process. And in April, the department sanctioned Russian billionaire Oleg Deripaska and his aluminum company Rusal.
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Old 10th October 2018, 08:34 AM   #541
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Trump's lawyers respond to DNC lawsuit by alleging the 1st Amendment grants the right to disseminate stolen information
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Old 13th October 2018, 06:29 AM   #543
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An interview with author Craig Unger:
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In his new book "House of Trump, House of Putin: The Untold Story of Donald Trump and the Russian Mafia," veteran investigative journalist Craig Unger presents a detailed and exhaustively researched account of how Donald Trump has for decades laundered billions of dollars for Russian organized crime figures and other oligarchs. This fits a larger pattern in which Trump and his inner circle have shown a great comfort with financial crimes and other forms of unethical or illegal behavior to personally enrich themselves at the expense of the American people.
https://www.salon.com/2018/10/11/inv...-for-35-years/
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https://twitter.com/RVAwonk/status/1055591412652224513

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JULY- Bolton: Next Trump-Putin meeting delayed until 2019
AUG- Russian TV to Trump: "Do what we say" if you want our help in election
SEPT- Russian TV: "Great probability" Trump & Putin will meet on 11/11/18
OCT- Bolton: Trump & Putin will meet on 11/11/18
Article embedded in tweet.
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Whether Trump himself actively conspired with the Russians might remain to be proved. But there is no doubt that the Russians actively worked to put Trump in the White House.

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Politicians may be too timid to explore the subject, but a new book from, of all places, Oxford University Press promises to be incendiary. “Cyberwar: How Russian Hackers and Trolls Helped Elect a President—What We Don’t, Can’t, and Do Know,” by Kathleen Hall Jamieson, a professor of communications at the University of Pennsylvania, dares to ask—and even attempts to answer—whether Russian meddling had a decisive impact in 2016. Jamieson offers a forensic analysis of the available evidence and concludes that Russia very likely delivered Trump’s victory.
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Indeed, when I met recently with Jamieson, in a book-lined conference room at the Annenberg Center, in Philadelphia, and asked her point-blank if she thought that Trump would be President without the aid of Russians, she didn’t equivocate. “No,” she said, her face unsmiling. Clearly cognizant of the gravity of her statement, she clarified, “If everything else is a constant? No, I do not.”

Jamieson said that, as an academic, she hoped that the public would challenge her arguments. Yet she expressed confidence that unbiased readers would accept her conclusion that it is not just plausible that Russia changed the outcome of the 2016 election—it is “likely that it did.”
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2...tion-for-trump

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But to travel back to 2016 and trace the major plotlines of the Russian attack is to underscore what we now know with certainty: The Russians carried out a landmark intervention that will be examined for decades to come. Acting on the personal animus of Mr. Putin, public and private instruments of Russian power moved with daring and skill to harness the currents of American politics. Well-connected Russians worked aggressively to recruit or influence people inside the Trump campaign.
https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...p-clinton.html

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It comes as no surprise whatsoever that Russia worked to promote Jill Stein in 2016.

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I wonder if any of the resident Stein supporters are curious to learn if they cited Russian bs here on the forum.
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Old 23rd December 2018, 05:06 PM   #547
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It comes as no surprise whatsoever that Russia worked to promote Jill Stein in 2016.

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I wonder if any of the resident Stein supporters are curious to learn if they cited Russian bs here on the forum.
Ehh...I'm not exactly a Stein supporter, but if it weren't for Trump, I would have likely voted for her. It doesn't much look like the Russian BS would have been why, though. Rather, my reasoning is more along the lines of the fact that I very much don't like the dominance of the two-party paradigm and the fact that the GOP would have rather certainly have turned Hillary into a President that couldn't really do anything while simultaneously whipping up their base into a frenzy that would tip the scales even further in their direction, while Stein would be a more true can't do anything President who the GOP couldn't use to attack Democrats with in the very unlikely chance that she won. Even so, I ended up voting for Hillary... because she was indeed the only competent choice available and the very real prospect of Trump was still a worse option. And... Trump has pretty well fulfilled expectations about how bad he is.
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https://www.salon.com/2018/10/11/inv...-for-35-years/
The most obvious reason for Trumps Russian ties. He's just an honest, hard working grifter trying to make a dollar.
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Before it ceased to exist, the USSR acknowledged that invading Afghanistan was a "criminal gamble". There is a specific initiative underway in Russia, engineered by Putin of course, to re-write the history.
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Russian President Vladimir Putin is preparing to have his rubber-stamp parliament, the Duma, pass a resolution on Feb. 15, the 30th anniversary of the Red Army’s withdrawal, repudiating the 1989 resolution as “inconsistent with the principles of historical justice.”
Knowing this, it's not surprising that Professor Trump was carrying Putin's water when he (Trump) schooled the country on the new, "real" history of the Soviet invasion.

It's bleakly amusing that Trump even mangled the re-written history. Not even Putin is blaming terrorists.
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Before it ceased to exist, the USSR acknowledged that invading Afghanistan was a "criminal gamble". There is a specific initiative underway in Russia, engineered by Putin of course, to re-write the history.
Knowing this, it's not surprising that Professor Trump was carrying Putin's water when he (Trump) schooled the country on the new, "real" history of the Soviet invasion.

It's bleakly amusing that Trump even mangled the re-written history. Not even Putin is blaming terrorists.
I saw this on Rachel Maddow yesterday, and it's not the first time that Trump has come out with Kremlin Propaganda that no one was expecting or even knew about. Very early in 2017 he said about Poland invading Belarus, something that was totally made up by the Kremlin to try and convince Belarus to increase their ties to Russia. Then in July last year he came out with the whole Montenegro's aggression could start World War III.. This was another Kremlin propaganda line in trying to weaken the newly entered Montenegro's ties with NATO. It came after a Russian backed coup attempt, and the failure of the Russia backed opposition to prevent Montenegro joining NATO.

It seems rather strange that Trump would keep on coming up with these Kremlin propaganda lies that are all but unknown about in the Western World and certainly would not be being given to him via any US Intelligence since they are fully aware that the statements are nothing but Russian Propaganda.
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I saw this on Rachel Maddow yesterday, and it's not the first time that Trump has come out with Kremlin Propaganda that no one was expecting or even knew about. Very early in 2017 he said about Poland invading Belarus, something that was totally made up by the Kremlin to try and convince Belarus to increase their ties to Russia. Then in July last year he came out with the whole Montenegro's aggression could start World War III.. This was another Kremlin propaganda line in trying to weaken the newly entered Montenegro's ties with NATO. It came after a Russian backed coup attempt, and the failure of the Russia backed opposition to prevent Montenegro joining NATO.

It seems rather strange that Trump would keep on coming up with these Kremlin propaganda lies that are all but unknown about in the Western World and certainly would not be being given to him via any US Intelligence since they are fully aware that the statements are nothing but Russian Propaganda.
In June, Vladimir Putin claimed that he and Trump talk regularly by phone
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Trump is subscribed to some pro-Russia content provider from which he gets his talking points.
There can be no other explanation.
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Trump is subscribed to some pro-Russia content provider from which he gets his talking points.
There can be no other explanation.
Yeah, apparently it's Putin, lol...

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Veselnitskaya, Russian in Trump Tower Meeting, Is Charged in Case That Shows Kremlin Ties

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Natalia V. Veselnitskaya, the Russian lawyer who in 2016 met with Trump campaign officials in Trump Tower, was charged on Tuesday in a separate case that showed her close ties to the Kremlin.

Ms. Veselnitskaya, a pivotal figure in the investigation into Russian interference in the presidential election, was charged by federal prosecutors in New York with seeking to thwart an earlier Justice Department investigation into money laundering that involved an influential Russian businessman and his investment firm.

The money-laundering case was not directly related to the Trump Tower meeting. But a federal indictment returned in Manhattan seemed to confirm that Ms. Veselnitskaya had deep ties to senior Russian government officials.

The charges stem from the Justice Department’s 2013 civil investigation into the role that some of Ms. Veselnitskaya’s clients — Prevezon Holdings Ltd. and its owner, Denis P. Katsyv — played in a scheme to launder ill-gotten money through New York real estate purchases.
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How can it be that "ordinary Russian citizens" keep getting caught up in this mess? And even "ordinary Americans of Russian descent"?

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Dammit, I didn't have Veselnitskaya active in my fantasy indictment league this week.
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https://twitter.com/NatashaBertrand/...81075757928448

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.@renato_mariotti points out that SDNY’s indictment of Veselnitskaya suggests that DOJ has evidence to support the assertion that she is effectively a Kremlin agent, and thus Mueller could make the same claim in court filings if he wanted to.
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How can it be that "ordinary Russian citizens" keep getting caught up in this mess? And even "ordinary Americans of Russian descent"?

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Actually, never mind, it's not relevant to this thread.
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There's nothing that's surprising anymore. Speaks for itself:

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President Trump has gone to extraordinary lengths to conceal details of his conversations with Russian President Vladimir Putin, including on at least one occasion taking possession of the notes of his own interpreter and instructing the linguist not to discuss what had transpired with other administration officials, current and former U.S. officials said.
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The constraints that Trump imposed are part of a broader pattern by the president of shielding his communications with Putin from public scrutiny and preventing even high-ranking officials in his own administration from fully knowing what he has told one of the United States’ main adversaries.

As a result, U.S. officials said there is no detailed record, even in classified files, of Trump’s face-to-face interactions with the Russian leader at five locations over the past two years.
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