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Old 11th January 2019, 09:17 AM   #41
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Originally Posted by Donal View Post
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It's good form to use hilighting, strikethrough, or other methods to make it more explicit what part of such a post you have "fixed".
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Old 11th January 2019, 10:17 AM   #42
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Originally Posted by lomiller View Post
Do evangelicals really follow the bibles teaching in the first place, or do they just pick and choose phrases that support their pre-existing right wing agenda?
ALL CHRISTIANS that I know pick and choose from the bible. In my experience, only a tiny fraction have read more than 10 percent of the book.
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Old 11th January 2019, 10:21 AM   #43
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
ALL CHRISTIANS that I know pick and choose from the bible. In my experience, only a tiny fraction have read more than 10 percent of the book.
My mother claims that she believes in every word of the bible literally, 100%.

She hasn't read it.
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Originally Posted by Donal View Post
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Shame you didn't fix my typos.
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Old 11th January 2019, 11:22 AM   #45
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Originally Posted by ahhell View Post
As is typical of the internet the title of this thread and the OP is a bit misleading. Its should read, "In a move condemned by prominent members of the Texas GOP to republics have moved to remove a local chair from his position because he's a muslim."
Both the thread title and OP are worded unambiguously and factually correct.
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Old 11th January 2019, 11:27 AM   #46
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
My mother claims that she believes in every word of the bible literally, 100%.

She hasn't read it.
Pretty typical.
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Old 11th January 2019, 11:33 AM   #47
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Both the thread title and OP are worded unambiguously and factually correct.
Agreed. It was not misleading at all.
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
Pretty typical.
Yeah, reading the bible from cover to cover is the surest way to choose another source for your beliefs.
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Every night these people go to bed dreaming about how wonderful life was in 1859.... and what they can do tomorrow to drag the country back there again.
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Originally Posted by johnny karate View Post
Both the thread title and OP are worded unambiguously and factually correct.
Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Agreed. It was not misleading at all.
And in any case...

"In a move condemned by prominent members of the Texas GOP to republics have moved to remove a local chair from his position because he's a muslim"

... will not fit into the allotted space for a thread title - 85 characters maximum.
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Old 11th January 2019, 03:00 PM   #51
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
No. It's totally relevant. Frothing-at-the-mouth bigots want him removed from his position because in the Islamophobe's Playbook, being a Muslim means you support Sharia Law.



Think "Pauline Hansen With a Drawl" and you'll get an idea of the instigators. They have not just gone after this guy, but have a target list of other party officials they want to oust because of their religious beliefs and in one case because a guy is married to a Muslim.



There's no report on the vote, yet. The meeting is behind closed doors, papered over windows and armed security guards. Meeting was set for the evening - commencing about 90 minutes ago, 6:30 pm local time. They didn't say which year, but I assume like most loser Republicans that'd be Jan 10, 1860.
What parts of Sharia Law wouldn't they want?.....
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I'm glad he won, but now I'm torn: would it be better for him to stay in that job, in hopes of being a force for re-normalizing the dysfunctional GOP, or would it be better for him to quite publicly resign in protest that such a blatantly racist event was ever allowed to happen by the GOP?
IMO, resigning in protest isn't a very effective strategy.
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“He identifies as a Muslim-American.”

What the hell is a Muslim-American?
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As is typical of the internet the title of this thread and the OP is a bit misleading. Its should read, "In a move condemned by prominent members of the Texas GOP to republics have moved to remove a local chair from his position because he's a muslim."
I had an editor who would not tolerate subordinate clauses in ledes, because you end up with sentences like this.

"In a move ... have moved to remove ... blah blah blah ... Muslim." By the end of the sentence, it takes some untangling to get to the fact that he was targeted because he was Muslim, but it didn't work.

Clarity suffers when"Muslim" is the last word of a 27-word-long sentence. But then, a lot of politicians want clarity to suffer.
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
“He identifies as a Muslim-American.”

What the hell is a Muslim-American?
Good question.
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Originally Posted by Ladewig View Post
“He identifies as a Muslim-American.”

What the hell is a Muslim-American?
Originally Posted by Minoosh View Post
Good question.
He immigrated from Muslimania.
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Originally Posted by gerdbonk View Post
He immigrated from Muslimania.
I thought it was Muslimistan.
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
No. It's totally relevant. Frothing-at-the-mouth bigots want him removed from his position because in the Islamophobe's Playbook, being a Muslim means you support Sharia Law.
Just like being a Bible Basher means you support burning witches (Exodus 22:18, Deuteronomy 18:10, Galatians 5:19) and enslaving Mexican and Canadians (Leviticus 25:44-46)
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Old 11th January 2019, 08:25 PM   #59
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I thought it was Muslimistan.
More specifically, Muslimabad.
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Yeah, reading the bible from cover to cover is the surest way to choose another source for your beliefs.
It's EXACTLY how I became an atheist. After 5 years of Bible camp, I decided to read more than selected passages and the Gospels. By the time I got through the story of Jepthah I was done with it. And then when I read that the Gospels were anonymous written decades after the crucifixion, I was really done.

What I find amusing about this Muslim being voted to remain as precinct chair is those same Republicans would have voted to kick out someone who is an atheist like me.
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It's EXACTLY how I became an atheist. After 5 years of Bible camp, I decided to read more than selected passages and the Gospels. By the time I got through the story of Jepthah I was done with it. And then when I read that the Gospels were anonymous written decades after the crucifixion, I was really done.

What I find amusing about this Muslim being voted to remain as precinct chair is those same Republicans would have voted to kick out someone who is an atheist like me.
Because there's no such place as Atheistan. You can't fool them!
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“He identifies as a Muslim-American.”

What the hell is a Muslim-American?
It would make more sense without the hyphen, especially if you reversed the words. A Muslim American, or an American Muslim. But of course, many Republicans don't think that's possible.
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Originally Posted by Trebuchet View Post
It would make more sense without the hyphen, especially if you reversed the words. A Muslim American, or an American Muslim. But of course, many Republicans don't think that's possible.
I've seen many folk describe themselves as a "Christian American", whilst I find that type of self identification strange it seems quite common.
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There is so much to unpack in this quote from an article

https://www.texastribune.org/2019/01...i-vote-muslim/

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“You already see it in the workplace where Muslims demand they’re able to wear their hijab and demand they get a prayer room,” she said. “When was the last time a Christian was allowed to have a separate place to say their prayers?"
First, Matthew 6:6

The reason they get space is because their prayers have specific times and actually require space to perform.

When was the last time a Christian asked for a separate space for prayers.

Also, so many businesses give Sunday off! That is accomodating prayer in the workplace. Does she just think it is a funny coincidence that businesses give the weekend off? Is she one of those people that think mt Rushmore is man made?
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
I'm glad he won, but now I'm torn: would it be better for him to stay in that job, in hopes of being a force for re-normalizing the dysfunctional GOP, or would it be better for him to quite publicly resign in protest that such a blatantly racist event was ever allowed to happen by the GOP?
I think he should do the highlighted - keep working and bitch up a storm. I doubt most people even know about this story.


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......

What I find amusing about this Muslim being voted to remain as precinct chair is those same Republicans would have voted to kick out someone who is an atheist like me.
The whole thing is very disturbing and laughingly frighteningly hypocritical.
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What I find amusing about this Muslim being voted to remain as precinct chair is those same Republicans would have voted to kick out someone who is an atheist like me.
The whole thing is very disturbing and laughingly frighteningly hypocritical.[/quote]

Texas has in their constitution that to hold office one must acknowledge that there is a supreme being. This is of course in direct conflict with the US Constitution that no religious test to hold office or public trust.

Article One, Clause Four.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Texas
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The whole thing is very disturbing and laughingly frighteningly hypocritical.
Texas has in their constitution that to hold office one must acknowledge that there is a supreme being. This is of course in direct conflict with the US Constitution that no religious test to hold office or public trust.

Article One, Clause Four.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Texas[/quote]

Yes, it most certainly does conflict with the Constitution. Madalyn Murray O'Hare challenged this provision 30 years ago:

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(Madalyn Murray O'Hare) and then-Attorney General Jim Mattox signed an agreement in federal court that contained this line:

The parties hereby agree that the last phrase, “... provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being.” is void and of no further effect in that it is in violation of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution.

There are different opinions about how much the clause affects candidates’ applications for state office. Mattox agreed on behalf of the state not to enforce it, but it has never been removed from the Texas Constitution.
https://www.texastribune.org/2012/06...s-legislature/

Somehow, I don't find the following surprising:

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Randall “Buck” Wood, an Austin elections attorney, insists that such a law could never be enforced. “If it were, it would be declared unconstitutional. We’ve had so many statutes in the Texas Constitution declared unconstitutional, but they’re still there. As long as nobody’s being injured by these, nobody brings a lawsuit, and they just sit there.”

Though the provision may not have affected candidates in Texas, similar provisions have had an effect in Maryland and South Carolina. In 1961 and 1997, respectively, each state rejected an atheist candidate's application for office. Both applicants took their cases to the Supreme Court, which struck down the articles in the Maryland and South Carolina constitutions — but Mississippi, Tennessee and Arkansas have kept similar provisions on the books. In Arkansas, “no person who denies the being of a God shall hold any office in the civil department of this state nor be competent to testify as a witness in any court.”
(same citation as above)

As an atheist and a liberal, I don't think I could ever live in a Southern state.
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Isn't it a valid question - will you uphold religious law over secular law in a secular nation?
Well as a republican he is supposed to be all for that, see how christian dominionism is very popular. They are just afraid that he will uphold the wrong religious laws.
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The problem is, no one asks any elected Christian if they will uphold Biblical law over secular law in a secular nation.
Sure but they will proudly state it anyway, this of course is what wins elections.
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“He identifies as a Muslim-American.”

What the hell is a Muslim-American?
Ie not a real american like they clearly mean when the talk about real americans in campaign speeches. I mean we all know that no muslim could ever qualify at real american.
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Texas has in their constitution that to hold office one must acknowledge that there is a supreme being. This is of course in direct conflict with the US Constitution that no religious test to hold office or public trust.
In the unlikely event that I ever hold office in Texas I will stipulate that the Supreme Being is David Bowie.
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Ie not a real american like they clearly mean when the talk about real americans in campaign speeches. I mean we all know that no muslim could ever qualify at real american.

Hence the reason why they must be given a hyphenated name.... to distinguish "the unwanted peoples" from all the "real" americans.

Muslim-American
African-American
Mexican-American
etc etc

Racists are too stupid to realize that anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together can and do take notice of their prejudicial undertones and innuendos.

Notice how the judaists don't get the token hyphenation, Jewish-American, like the Muslims do? Or how about Christian-Americans? Taoist-Americans? Buddhist-Americans?

Obvious racism is obvious.

The term African-American has become so normalized over the decades in the US that it's become everyday regular language to all its citizens and not thought of as unusual at all.

I'm not aware of any African-British or African-Canadians or African-Australians. Odd that....
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
Texas has in their constitution that to hold office one must acknowledge that there is a supreme being. This is of course in direct conflict with the US Constitution that no religious test to hold office or public trust.

Article One, Clause Four.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constitution_of_Texas
Yes, it most certainly does conflict with the Constitution. Madalyn Murray O'Hare challenged this provision 30 years ago:


https://www.texastribune.org/2012/06...s-legislature/

Somehow, I don't find the following surprising:


(same citation as above)

As an atheist and a liberal, I don't think I could ever live in a Southern state.[/quote]

I highly recommend the podcast/radio show "More Perfect" by the producers of Radiolab. They focus on Constitutional law and the Supreme Court.

There was a section in their episode about Lawrence vs. Texas that I found really enlightening.

Texas, like many states, had sodomy laws on the books for a long time which essentially made having gay sex illegal. They remained on the books without a Supreme Court challenge because they were almost never enforced, so there was never a good case to bring to higher courts.

So one might think "If these laws aren't really enforced, does it even matter that they exist?". And the answer is yes. They create an environment where being gay is a crime, and even if that doesn't land anyone in jail, it has a massive effect on the social environment and the political discourse.

Just like the modern GOP justifies treatment of undocumented immigrants because "They're criminals", once you cast someone as a criminal, you justify all sorts of mistreatment and exclusionary rhetoric. You deepen a culture of shame and denial. It goes on and on.

It deeply matters when laws are on the books even if they aren't technically enforced. They build the culture we live in.
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Yes, it most certainly does conflict with the Constitution. Madalyn Murray O'Hare challenged this provision 30 years ago:


https://www.texastribune.org/2012/06...s-legislature/

Somehow, I don't find the following surprising:


(same citation as above)

As an atheist and a liberal, I don't think I could ever live in a Southern state.

I highly recommend the podcast/radio show "More Perfect" by the producers of Radiolab. They focus on Constitutional law and the Supreme Court.

There was a section in their episode about Lawrence vs. Texas that I found really enlightening.

Texas, like many states, had sodomy laws on the books for a long time which essentially made having gay sex illegal. They remained on the books without a Supreme Court challenge because they were almost never enforced, so there was never a good case to bring to higher courts.

So one might think "If these laws aren't really enforced, does it even matter that they exist?". And the answer is yes. They create an environment where being gay is a crime, and even if that doesn't land anyone in jail, it has a massive effect on the social environment and the political discourse.
Of course many of those laws are still on the books. They are just illegal to enforce.
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Of course many of those laws are still on the books. They are just illegal to enforce.
I owned a house that had deed restrictions that were massively racists and misogynist. Reading through them the night before closing was a huge reminder of how far we had come in a relatively short period of time.
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Hence the reason why they must be given a hyphenated name.... to distinguish "the unwanted peoples" from all the "real" americans.

Muslim-American
African-American
Mexican-American
etc etc

Racists are too stupid to realize that anyone with more than two brain cells to rub together can and do take notice of their prejudicial undertones and innuendos.

Notice how the judaists don't get the token hyphenation, Jewish-American, like the Muslims do? Or how about Christian-Americans? Taoist-Americans? Buddhist-Americans?

Obvious racism is obvious.

The term African-American has become so normalized over the decades in the US that it's become everyday regular language to all its citizens and not thought of as unusual at all.

I'm not aware of any African-British or African-Canadians or African-Australians. Odd that....
While not at all disagreeing with what you are saying here, it does not help when reasonably high profile people like Ali Velshi (MSNBC) and Tahera Rahman (WBHF-TV) refer to themselves "Muslim American"
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Texas has in their constitution that to hold office one must acknowledge that there is a supreme being. This is of course in direct conflict with the US Constitution that no religious test to hold office or public trust.
If that wasn't a direct violation of the US Constitution, it would still not of itself rule out a Muslim from holding office.

Muslims believe in the same Abrahamic God that Christians and Jews believe in.

It also would not rule out Freemasons or Rosicrucians, both of whom believe in a supreme being.... The Great Architect of the Universe.
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I owned a house that had deed restrictions that were massively racists and misogynist. Reading through them the night before closing was a huge reminder of how far we had come in a relatively short period of time.

My slave quarters have to be a certain minimum size if I ever build them at all.
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While not at all disagreeing with what you are saying here, it does not help when reasonably high profile people like Ali Velshi (MSNBC) and Tahera Rahman (WBHF-TV) refer to themselves "Muslim American"

Yes, because as I said, these hyphenated term(s) have become such a normal part of american speech, everybody uses it.

Italian-Americans, Irish-Americans, African-Americans, etc etc. Self-distinguished tribalism? Or did the labels start out with (white christian) americans using those terms to separate themselves from the 'unghastly low-class immigrants' arriving by boat every day?

Do you know anyone who refers to themself as a Muslim-New Zealander?

It seems to be a uniquely american thing from what I've observed.

Passive racism. It's just passively soft enough to fly over most peoples' heads when it first gets introduced... but it accomplishes the end goal of keeping certain demographics 'distinguishable' and 'separate' from the rest.
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I owned a house that had deed restrictions that were massively racists and misogynist. Reading through them the night before closing was a huge reminder of how far we had come in a relatively short period of time.
Most of those are illegal and unenforceable these days. There are neighborhoods in Seattle that even have them. Usually they were written long ago and are still in the covenants.
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