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Old 27th February 2016, 12:21 PM   #1
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SCOTUS death watch

By the grace of Odin goes Ginsburg. I will forever curse Bill Clinton for appointing geezers. Whereas Thomas (Trump's favorite) was wearing diapers when appointed.

Liberals in blue.

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Old 27th February 2016, 03:49 PM   #2
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RBG has had cancer twice and still outlived Scalia. I don't think she's going anywhere for another for at least one more presidential term.
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What's truly amazing is that for all the lawmakers we fight over and presidents we waste hours arguing over, it all boils down to 9 people in black robes, and that has now rolled into one justice. Our whole culture and society hangs on this one nomination.

And once its finally made, it will be one more. Will be some very tense times until those oldest are replaced.

The incredible power the SCOTUS has needs to be brought back into check!!
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Originally Posted by logger View Post
What's truly amazing is that for all the lawmakers we fight over and presidents we waste hours arguing over, it all boils down to 9 people in black robes, and that has now rolled into one justice. Our whole culture and society hangs on this one nomination.

And once its finally made, it will be one more. Will be some very tense times until those oldest are replaced.

The incredible power the SCOTUS has needs to be brought back into check!!
It IS in check.
Checks and balances and all that.

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What's truly amazing is that for all the lawmakers we fight over and presidents we waste hours arguing over, it all boils down to 9 people in black robes, and that has now rolled into one justice. Our whole culture and society hangs on this one nomination.

And once its finally made, it will be one more. Will be some very tense times until those oldest are replaced.

The incredible power the SCOTUS has needs to be brought back into check!!
True, it does. And dying conservative justices and a democratic Congress and President will fix that problem tout suite.
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RBG has had cancer twice and still outlived Scalia. I don't think she's going anywhere for another for at least one more presidential term.
Colon cancer, pancreatic cancer and heart disease. I bet the odds are against four years. <Paging an actuary to the red courtesy phone>
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Old 27th February 2016, 05:19 PM   #7
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True, it does. And dying conservative justices and a democratic Congress and President will fix that problem tout suite.
Agreed, especially when the loser libs on the court think the second amendment gives the government a right to own firearms.

As a gun toting dem, I bet you'll be the first in line to turn yours in.
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What's truly amazing is that for all the lawmakers we fight over and presidents we waste hours arguing over, it all boils down to 9 people in black robes, and that has now rolled into one justice. Our whole culture and society hangs on this one nomination.

And once its finally made, it will be one more. Will be some very tense times until those oldest are replaced.

The incredible power the SCOTUS has needs to be brought back into check!!
All they have to do to overturn any of these rulings is re-write the things in the constitution that said rulings are based on. Obviously, we won't do that as long as half of the country agrees with a given ruling. So... power to the people and such. Ultimately, no ruling that a significant percentage of the country disagrees with will stand.

Of course, a future SCOTUS overturning its own prior ruling is more likely than The Constitution changing, but one way or the other it will generally tend to follow society's majority opinion, and always has.

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All they have to do to overturn any of these rulings is re-write the things in the constitution that said rulings are based on. Obviously, we won't do that as long as half of the country agrees with a given ruling. So... power to the people and such. Ultimately, no ruling that a significant percentage of the country disagrees with will stand.

Of course, a future SCOTUS overturning its own prior ruling is more likely than The Constitution changing, but one way or the other it will generally tend to follow society's majority opinion, and always has.
Which is why the country will not stay united. I'm convinced the march to the left will continue, simply because the independent rugged individual nature of our country continues to be taken over by weak people who cannot stand without government wiping their ass.
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Which is why the country will not stay united. I'm convinced the march to the left will continue, simply because the independent rugged individual nature of our country continues to be taken over by weak people who cannot stand without government wiping their ass.
You really ought to get and read this.:

http://www.amazon.com/Way-We-Never-W...y+We+Weren%3Bt

Your dream of our past is not really how our past was. Or, minus a major die-off, any relation to where it is going.
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Old 28th February 2016, 04:31 AM   #11
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Which is why the country will not stay united. I'm convinced the march to the left will continue, simply because the independent rugged individual nature of our country continues to be taken over by weak people who cannot stand without government wiping their ass.
Seriously dude, even Roman Emperors gave out quite a lot of food to their poor regularly, and they were militaristic madmen with gladiator arenas. Welfare is not a new or novel concept. Your notions of what the past was like have a lot more to do with the Republican dialogue than actual history.

Thing is, very few, if any "pull themselves up by their bootstraps." When it is done, it isn't generally alone, but tends to be more of a group effort. Hell, most of the things done in the modern economy tends to require more than one person's set of expertise. So... if the society around you rejects you for whatever reason, you're sort of screwed.

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Seriously dude, even Roman Emperors gave out quite a lot of food to their poor regularly, and they were militaristic madmen with gladiator arenas. Welfare is not a new or novel concept. Your notions of what the past was like have a lot more to do with the Republican dialogue than actual history.
Yeah, if nothing else because it is a great way to make yourself popular and win support in difficult and rebellious times, while maintaining an image of selflessness and compassion. Sometimes as with Crassus, the richest man in Rome, it descended into outright bribery. And I'm reminded of this bit in Antony's funeral speech in Julius Caesar:

He hath brought many captives home to Rome
Whose ransoms did the general coffers fill
Did this in Caesar seem ambitious,
when that the poor have cried, Caesar hath wept?
Ambition should be made of sterner stuff!
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Seriously dude, even Roman Emperors gave out quite a lot of food to their poor regularly, and they were militaristic madmen with gladiator arenas. Welfare is not a new or novel concept. Your notions of what the past was like have a lot more to do with the Republican dialogue than actual history.

Thing is, very few, if any "pull themselves up by their bootstraps." When it is done, it isn't generally alone, but tends to be more of a group effort. Hell, most of the things done in the modern economy tends to require more than one person's set of expertise. So... if the society around you rejects you for whatever reason, you're sort of screwed.
You equate giving out food the same as a person who is getting welfare. First of all, giving out food is very necessary and a wonderful thing, providing a full living for a person is quite another. You're once again comparing apples to oranges.
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It won't bother me in the slightest if debating the merits of political philosophies be left to more high minded threads, and here we focus on who is apt to die, and the ramifications.
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Old 28th February 2016, 11:43 AM   #15
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Agreed, especially when the loser libs on the court think the second amendment gives the government a right to own firearms.
You do not think the government has a right to own firearms?

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The retirement age had jumped from an average of 68 pre-1970 to 79 for justices retiring post-1970.
This seemed like an interesting tidbit.
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This seemed like an interesting tidbit.
Probably largely a result of better treatment, prevention and quality of life for sufferers of cancer, vascular disease, etc.
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You do not think the government has a right to own firearms?
Lol
Do you think the government needs rights?
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Whaddya know.

Justice Clarence Thomas breaks 10-year streak, asks question in court
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Which is why the country will not stay united. I'm convinced the march to the left will continue, simply because the independent rugged individual nature of our country continues to be taken over by weak people who cannot stand without government wiping their ass.
If there is a lone nut-job who really hates his own country so very much, then that person should do himself a favor and leave his country forthwith.
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Which is why the country will not stay united. I'm convinced the march to the left will continue, simply because the independent rugged individual nature of our country continues to be taken over by weak people who cannot stand without government wiping their ass.
Bolding mine.

I'll take Myths for $200, Alex!

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I hope that Clarence Thomas dies next.
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I hope that Clarence Thomas dies next.
Painfully screaming out how he had lied about the sex stuff in those hearings.
Pubic hairs on soda cans and all.............
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This geezer business has got to stop. 63?!
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Which is why the country will not stay united. I'm convinced the march to the left will continue, simply because the independent rugged individual nature of our country continues to be taken over by weak people who cannot stand without government wiping their ass.
So the coming division of the country will be the fault of liberals and not the fault of the conservatives who are about to nominate Donald Trump? A candidate who is already dividing his own party.
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You and I step to the beat of very different drummers. Fortunately, America is big enough and strong enough to allow all of us to march to the music we hear.

And lastly, I fear unbridled liberalism as much as I fear unbridled conservatism (although for different reasons). The tricky bit is getting the proportions just right.
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Painfully screaming out how he had lied about the sex stuff in those hearings.
Pubic hairs on soda cans and all.............
I was in Europe at the time. The women there laughed at the idiocy of treating that incident as some kind of major psycholoical damager to a female.

It was a precursor to the grovelling apologies of today.
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Scalia's puppy is on his own.
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I hope that Clarence Thomas dies next.
Don't we all.
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Scalia's puppy is on his own.
The article is dated 29 Feb. Maybe this will become a leap year tradition. Thomas is pretty young, so he could get in 6 or 7 questions before his retirement!
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I was in Europe at the time. The women there laughed at the idiocy of treating that incident as some kind of major psycholoical damager to a female.

It was a precursor to the grovelling apologies of today.
The point was the big lie, not how offended Hill was. She dealt with it, doesn't mean it didn't happen or Thomas wasn't isn't a total perv.
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With the GOP mumbling threats to not approve the 9th seat even if there's a Dem elected to the White House, the death/retirment watch becomes much more significant.

Ginsburg has wanted to find a safe retirement window for a while. And while the others are somewhat younger, just look at Justice "In The Prime of My Life" Scalia. Onset of a serious illness or sudden death could, statistically, overtake any of them.

Is there a quorum for the Supremes? If we have three unexpected vacancies plus Scalia in 2017, can five Supremes hear cases?
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Is there a quorum for the Supremes? If we have three unexpected vacancies plus Scalia in 2017, can five Supremes hear cases?
I'm not aware of any quorum. The number of seats isn't even in the Constitution. It is set by Congress. If the Republicans take the House and Senate (which is likely) and Trump wins, they could push through a bill to set the seats at 15. That would give President Trump 7 seats to fill.

Then we could see Justices Christie, Trump, Palin, Carson, Trump, Arpaio, and Putin.
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Colon cancer, pancreatic cancer and heart disease. I bet the odds are against four years. <Paging an actuary to the red courtesy phone>
Hmm. Well actuary <> doctor, I can't really tell you the prognosis, just how much it will cost. But what the heck. Always prepared to give my opinion on things I don't know much about

Depends entirely on the stage of cancer and the severity of the heart disease. Lots of early stage colon cancer can be treated surgically with very little risk. Pancreatic cancer, in most cases, has a really poor prognosis - only about 20% 5-yr survival if the entirety of the cancer can be removed surgically, which is not often the case. For heart disease... that's a hugely broad category, and there's a lot of heart disease that can be managed almost indefinitely with nothing but diet and exercise. Even drug therapies can result in pretty much normal life spans.

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This geezer business has got to stop. 63?!
What geezer business? You're not under what seems to be an increasingly common misconception among Americans that 'geezer' means 'old', are you? It's just a synonym for 'bloke' or 'chap'. If you want to talk about someone who's old, then you might call them an old geezer.
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Well you gotta admit that with an average of what, 70 ? They are all quite old.
I am not expecting them to put a 20 something there, but why not having people between 40-60 and have nomination for maximum say 8 years ? Rather than life ?
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What geezer business? You're not under what seems to be an increasingly common misconception among Americans that 'geezer' means 'old', are you? It's just a synonym for 'bloke' or 'chap'. If you want to talk about someone who's old, then you might call them an old geezer.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/geezer
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Well you gotta admit that with an average of what, 70 ? They are all quite old.
I am not expecting them to put a 20 something there, but why not having people between 40-60 and have nomination for maximum say 8 years ? Rather than life ?
It's a good question. Roberts himself argued in favor of limited terms back in the Reagan administration. The usual rejoinder is that it threatens the independence of the judiciary, but I don't see how limited terms would do that where lifetime appointments do not, and have never encountered a persuasive argument along those lines (not for lack of trying). The best you can do is the argument put forward two centuries ago by Hamilton in the Federalist Papers, but that's an argument pervaded by speculation that modern readers will recognize as erroneous, bordering on amusingly naive.
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What geezer business? You're not under what seems to be an increasingly common misconception among Americans that 'geezer' means 'old', are you? It's just a synonym for 'bloke' or 'chap'. If you want to talk about someone who's old, then you might call them an old geezer.
Geezer, in American English, means old--old man, specifically.

You seem to be under a misconception that the UKian usage is universal.
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Colour me unconvinced when that has, as the first example:
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a group of old geezers playing cards
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
Colour me unconvinced when that has, as the first example:
For the sake of readers disinclined to follow the link, the dictionary definition that you reject consists of "An old man".

You need to work on your spelling by the way.
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Originally Posted by zooterkin View Post
What geezer business? You're not under what seems to be an increasingly common misconception among Americans that 'geezer' means 'old', are you? It's just a synonym for 'bloke' or 'chap'. If you want to talk about someone who's old, then you might call them an old geezer.
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Consider it regional differences. Like the term "fag", for example.
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