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Old 11th January 2019, 10:48 AM   #1281
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

Humanitarian Crisis at our Southern Border. I just got back and it is a far worse situation than almost anyone would understand, an invasion! I have been there numerous times - The Democrats, Cryin’ Chuck and Nancy don’t know how bad and dangerous it is for our ENTIRE COUNTRY....

...The Steel Barrier, or Wall, should have been built by previous administrations long ago. They never got it done - I will. Without it, our Country cannot be safe. Criminals, Gangs, Human Traffickers, Drugs & so much other big trouble can easily pour in. It can be stopped cold!
THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING! RUN! RUN!
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Old 11th January 2019, 10:53 AM   #1282
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Everybody catch that? It's now a "humanitarian crisis?"

5 bucks says some "I care about immigrants more than the Dems. I care about immigrants more than anyone ever in history of time" line is coming soon.
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Old 11th January 2019, 10:55 AM   #1283
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Seems he's setting up for a move of some kind.
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Old 11th January 2019, 11:00 AM   #1284
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They've been instructed to increase the use of the word "crisis". Now, it's "humanitarian crisis" because it sounds better than "rapists, murderers, and criminals are pouring over the border to attack white people crisis".
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Old 11th January 2019, 11:01 AM   #1285
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Seems he's setting up for a move of some kind.
It's a legal strategy to help declare a national emergency.

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Part of the White House counsel's office review of declaring a national emergency has included laying the groundwork for a legal defense of the move, according to officials familiar with the matter.

That has included advising the President's aides on ramping up talk of the humanitarian and security "crisis" — a characterization that administration lawyers could use later in court to defend a national emergency. The lawyers have suggested the more times the term is used, the more citations they will have in filing a legal defense.

Trump and others in the White House began using that term more frequently over the past week.

The lawyers are looking for other ways to illustrate that an emergency is underway, recognizing a declaration would be challenged by Democrats. That has also included hosting lawmakers in the Situation Room for talks, a setting that lends to the sense of crisis.
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Old 11th January 2019, 11:03 AM   #1286
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I've had the thought before that Lindsey Graham is playing Trump - when he urged him to fire Jeff Sessions. It's hard to reconcile Graham's love for John McCain and his current practice of kissing Trump's butt. I never thought of him as slimy before Trump, but it's hard to come up with any explanation for his apparent change of heart. Maybe it has to do with voters in South Carolina.
He is, after all, a lawyer....

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Do you think felons care about such things?
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That auto correct is a ****.
He isn't a convicted felon yet and he is capable at anytime of going full retard while he is POTUS.
Fixed that for you.
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Old 11th January 2019, 11:09 AM   #1287
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Originally Posted by Stacko View Post
I'm not a lawyer, but even I know that repeating a lie, no matter how many times, does not make it true.
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Old 11th January 2019, 11:09 AM   #1288
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Trump Tweets

The Fake News Media keeps saying we haven’t built any NEW WALL. Below is a section just completed on the Border. Anti-climbing feature included. Very high, strong and beautiful! Also, many miles already renovated and in service!

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonal...320192/photo/1
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Old 11th January 2019, 11:15 AM   #1289
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I'm not a lawyer, but even I know that repeating a lie, no matter how many times, does not make it true.
I gotta wonder, if you have to follow a "legal strategy" to create it, is it really an emergency?

If I were to take this to court, the fact that their use of humanitarian crisis is called a legal strategy is exhibit 1 that this is not an emergency.
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Old 11th January 2019, 11:19 AM   #1290
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Originally Posted by pgwenthold View Post
I gotta wonder, if you have to follow a "legal strategy" to create it, is it really an emergency?

If I were to take this to court, the fact that their use of humanitarian crisis is called a legal strategy is exhibit 1 that this is not an emergency.
Agreed. It's evidence of a manufactured crisis, which Trump is claiming it's not.
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Old 11th January 2019, 11:20 AM   #1291
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Rudy Giuliani says President Trump’s legal team should be allowed to “correct” special counsel Robert Mueller’s final report before Congress or the American people get the chance to read it.

https://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...-final-mueller

Seems legit...

I'm picturing Trump with a Sharpie clenched in his fist, scrawling "NO COLLUSION" on every page.
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Old 11th January 2019, 11:26 AM   #1292
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Originally Posted by Armitage72 View Post
I'm picturing Trump with a Sfharpie clenched in his fist, scrawling "NO COLLUSION" on every page.
Yeah. The conclusion goes from guilty to not guilty.
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Old 11th January 2019, 11:26 AM   #1293
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

The Fake News Media keeps saying we haven’t built any NEW WALL. Below is a section just completed on the Border. Anti-climbing feature included. Very high, strong and beautiful! Also, many miles already renovated and in service!

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonal...320192/photo/1
When was that wall funded and by whom? I don't believe the Media has claimed that no new walls have been built.
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Old 11th January 2019, 11:29 AM   #1294
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Trump Tweets

The Fake News Media keeps saying we haven’t built any NEW WALL. Below is a section just completed on the Border. Anti-climbing feature included. Very high, strong and beautiful! Also, many miles already renovated and in service!

https://mobile.twitter.com/realDonal...320192/photo/1
is it a New Wall when it is only the renovated old wall?

no.
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Old 11th January 2019, 11:40 AM   #1295
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
I'm not a lawyer, but even I know that repeating a lie, no matter how many times, does not make it true.
Not so! If a heretofore honest man keeps repeating the lie that it is dishonest, then it becomes true (but not retroactively).

Okay, I think my pedantry has hit rock bottom. Is there a twelve step?
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Old 11th January 2019, 11:47 AM   #1296
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
Not so! If a heretofore honest man keeps repeating the lie that it is dishonest, then it becomes true (but not retroactively).

Okay, I think my pedantry has hit rock bottom. Is there a twelve step?
In order to make amends, step one is to subject yourself to one full hour of uninterrupted Trump speeches in a locked room.
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Old 11th January 2019, 11:51 AM   #1297
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Originally Posted by Stacyhs View Post
In order to make amends, step one is to subject yourself to one full hour of uninterrupted Trump speeches in a locked room.
That is a clear violation of the prohibition against cruel and unusual punishment.
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Old 11th January 2019, 11:53 AM   #1298
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In order to make amends, step one is to subject yourself to one full hour of uninterrupted Trump speeches in a locked room.
I'll stick with the disorder, thanks.
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Old 11th January 2019, 11:54 AM   #1299
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Originally Posted by phiwum View Post
I'll stick with the disorder, thanks.
A wise choice.
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Old 11th January 2019, 11:57 AM   #1300
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I've always had a sadistic streak in me.
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Old 11th January 2019, 12:06 PM   #1301
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In order to make amends, step one is to subject yourself to one full hour of uninterrupted Trump speeches in a locked room.
Rule 3. You will not post anything that demonstrates a clear and present danger to the welfare of another person, or otherwise tends to create alarm or apprehension that the welfare of any person is in imminent jeopardy. (Such posts will be moved offline and referred to the appropriate authorities.)
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Old 11th January 2019, 12:34 PM   #1302
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I hear you. The thing is, it's dangerous to get into a road rage incident in your shiny new BMW when the other guy doesn't give a damn because he's driving a beater car.
And now we're watching it play out. Trump doesn't care one damn bit about laid off workers. He doesn't care about people suffering due to lack of services. All he cares about is his ego. He's driving a beater car.
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Old 11th January 2019, 12:41 PM   #1303
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This is why Trump's standard tactic of "Distract us from our current outrage by doing something more outrageous" scares me.

Because I fear if we do back him into a corner his only recourse is to doing something so outrages we can't ignore it.

In the words of Soviet General discussing peace terms with the NATO Commander at the end of Red Storm Rising "The Soviet Union no longer has a way to win. But do no forget that we can still make it so everyone loses."
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Old 11th January 2019, 12:55 PM   #1304
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And now we're watching it play out. Trump doesn't care one damn bit about laid off workers. He doesn't care about people suffering due to lack of services. All he cares about is his ego. He's driving a beater car.

He'll care when his base starts to feel the hurt of his governing-style personally (shutdowns, tariffs, government over-expenditures, etc etc)... and start screaming for his head on a platter.

Patience grasshopper.

When ten-toothed Trumpians lose that beautiful sound of jingling coins in their pocket, all hell will break loose.
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Old 11th January 2019, 12:57 PM   #1305
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Rule 3. You will not post anything that demonstrates a clear and present danger to the welfare of another person, or otherwise tends to create alarm or apprehension that the welfare of any person is in imminent jeopardy. (Such posts will be moved offline and referred to the appropriate authorities.)
Mea culpa. Mea maxima culpa.
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Old 11th January 2019, 01:00 PM   #1306
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Trump Tweets

I often said during rallies, with little variation, that “Mexico will pay for the Wall.” We have just signed a great new Trade Deal with Mexico. It is Billions of Dollars a year better than the very bad NAFTA deal which it replaces. The difference pays for Wall many times over!

H1-B holders in the United States can rest assured that changes are soon coming which will bring both simplicity and certainty to your stay, including a potential path to citizenship. We want to encourage talented and highly skilled people to pursue career options in the U.S.
Trump did not write that. The sentences are too long and are punctuated properly. They are also grammatically correct with good spelling. And there is only one exclamation mark. This is almost certainly some flunky's work...Miller?

ETA. Dammit! Go to sleep and get ninja'd!
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It's possible Trump will wind up the biggest loser in this whole affair. He usually does. The GOP is beginning to show some fraying:
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The House approved two appropriations billa Thursday to reopen the Departments of Transportation, Housing and Urban Development, Agriculture and other agencies. Why it matters: 12 Republicans broke with GOP leadership and President Trump to fund HUD and the Department of Transportation, while 10 voted to approve the agriculture appropriations bill. On Wednesday, only eight House Republicans voted to reopen the government, suggesting that pressure is mounting on the GOP to do something to end the 20-day stalemate. Link
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Originally Posted by AnonyMoose View Post
He'll care when his base starts to feel the hurt of his governing-style personally (shutdowns, tariffs, government over-expenditures, etc etc)... and start screaming for his head on a platter.

Patience grasshopper.

When ten-toothed Trumpians lose that beautiful sound of jingling coins in their pocket, all hell will break loose.
Decident Trumpians?

<Tips hat to Granny Weatherwax for that word>
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Decident Trumpians?

<Tips hat to Granny Weatherwax for that word>



Love that word. You should submit it to Webster's.
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It's possible Trump will wind up the biggest loser in this whole affair. He usually does. The GOP is beginning to show some fraying:
I think that, privately, many GOP members of Congress think The Wall/Fence (whatever) is a stupid idea. Sadly, I also think that they are cowards who are too afraid of Trump and the far right wing that controls their party to break on this publicly.
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Old 11th January 2019, 01:31 PM   #1311
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Love that word. You should submit it to Webster's.
pTerry coined it in "Witches Abroad" IIRC. Where Granny was reading notes about how a group of people had become decadent.
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I think that, privately, many GOP members of Congress think The Wall/Fence (whatever) is a stupid idea. Sadly, I also think that they are cowards who are too afraid of Trump and the far right wing that controls their party to break on this publicly.
I agree. It seems as if the only members of the party left are corrupt or batcrap crazy.....or both.
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The head of company that was running the Tornillo detention center says he shut it down because that was the only way to get Trump administration to start releasing unaccompanied minors to sponsors, instead of keeping them detained indefinitely.

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Kevin Dinnin, the CEO of the contractor that ran the controversial tent city for migrant children in Tornillo, Texas, says the facility is closing down because he refused the government’s request to detain more youths there.
Shrouded in secrecy since it opened in June to handle overflow of the Trump administration’s family separation policy, the facility at Tornillo became a symbol of the administration’s mass detention of undocumented children.

Originally built to hold 400 migrant teens sent from its permanent facilities and and slated to close within 30 days, by December it had ballooned to a large complex holding more than 2,800 children.

“The children were coming in but never leaving,” Dinnin said in an exclusive interview with VICE News. The president and CEO of the nonprofit BCFS, which ran the facility under contract with the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, said he was dismayed the U.S. government kept asking him to expand the camp.

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“We as an organization finally drew the line,” Dinnin, who oversaw day-to-day operations at Tornillo, said. “You can’t keep taking children in and not releasing them.”
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He'll care when his base starts to feel the hurt of his governing-style personally (shutdowns, tariffs, government over-expenditures, etc etc)... and start screaming for his head on a platter.
You are assuming that Americans never vote against what is in their best interest and that they never ally themselves with a fast-talking politician who places the interests of other groups ahead of the intests of their own group.

If you have evidence to support that assumption, I will gladly consider it.

I’m not convinced his base will ever scream for his head on a platter.
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Old 11th January 2019, 02:29 PM   #1315
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the way to control drug trafficking is to control demand, as countless examples have shown.
Americans addicted to painkillers would love nothing more than a program that provides care and substitutes that will allow them to continue their life.
But the Trump administration is going hardcore in the opposite direction.
There are two such programs. One is methadone maintenance. It can however be fairly inconvenient, especially if you live in a rural areal, as for an extended period you have to go to the clinic 6 days a week. The other option is Suboxone - buprenorphine and naloxone. You're supposed to already be in withdrawal before you start taking it; otherwise you will have a nasty experience called precipitated withdrawal. You have to go to the doctor monthly as opposed to almost daily.

Both of these options are addictive, but Suboxone IMO has a far lower potential for abuse.
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You are assuming that Americans never vote against what is in their best interest and that they never ally themselves with a fast-talking politician who places the interests of other groups ahead of the intests of their own group.

If you have evidence to support that assumption, I will gladly consider it.

I’m not convinced his base will ever scream for his head on a platter.
I understand not being convinced. But the entire base is really irrelevant. Trump's approval numbers are low to begin with. The question is, can it reach a tipping point?

My next door neighbor is a rabid tea party Republican. He's the Republican precinct chair in my neighborhood and was a huge Trump supporter and he turned against Trump a year ago. Says Trump is the biggest mistake the GOP ever made.

If that guy can turn against Trump, so can others.
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Making jokes about Crenshaw is delicate, so I'll just post this amazing tweet without further comment:

"In an alternate universe where Republicans still held the House, the government would be open, federal workers would have their paychecks, and Border Patrol would have the funding and tools they need.

Just something to think about."

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Old 11th January 2019, 02:48 PM   #1318
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Originally Posted by Firestone View Post
Making jokes about Crenshaw is delicate, so I'll just post this amazing tweet without further comment:

"In an alternate universe where Republicans still held the House, the government would be open, federal workers would have their paychecks, and Border Patrol would have the funding and tools they need.

Just something to think about."

https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/st...18371647447040
And they still wouldn't have a wall.

One could also say if Lying POS Donald Trump wasn't President all those things would be true as well.
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Old 11th January 2019, 02:51 PM   #1319
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Originally Posted by Firestone View Post
Making jokes about Crenshaw is delicate, so I'll just post this amazing tweet without further comment:

"In an alternate universe where Republicans still held the House, the government would be open, federal workers would have their paychecks, and Border Patrol would have the funding and tools they need.

Just something to think about."

https://twitter.com/DanCrenshawTX/st...18371647447040
“An alternate universe where Republicans still held the house”.

Also known as about a week ago.
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Old 11th January 2019, 02:59 PM   #1320
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
I understand not being convinced. But the entire base is really irrelevant. Trump's approval numbers are low to begin with. The question is, can it reach a tipping point?

My next door neighbor is a rabid tea party Republican. He's the Republican precinct chair in my neighborhood and was a huge Trump supporter and he turned against Trump a year ago. Says Trump is the biggest mistake the GOP ever made.

If that guy can turn against Trump, so can others.
Well. We’ll see what happens.

I think the tipping point will come from the top rather than the bottom. The party leaders will turn before the base does. Then again, I have a whole page of My predictions that turned out to be worthless.
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