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Old 7th January 2019, 08:46 AM   #41
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I've mentioned this a few times but, on a purely conceptual level divorced from the reality of Trump the person or Trump the President there are some things in... the idea of Trump I guess you'd call it, that I like.

I do think that the Republicans and Democrats had gotten a little too... comfortable in their little wizards duel, both safe in the idea that they knew their opponent (and everyone on their team) so well that they could second guess each other and predict what the other one was gonna do before they did it.

American politics had gotten stagnant, the same dance with the same steps over and over with no real change or forward progression just two locked in sleepy giants pushing each other back and forth a few inches at most.

I do sort of like that that apple cart got upturned a little bit.

I wish that pretty much literally anyone else had been the one to upturn it, but still.
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Old 7th January 2019, 08:59 AM   #42
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One little known fact is that for many, many years, each outgoing president has been asked to make an assessment of the accomplishments of his administration and make comparisons with those of his predecessors and rate them accordingly, a self-critique, if you will.

Trump not only has already completed his, he rates far higher than any president we have ever had.

So there.
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Old 7th January 2019, 09:02 AM   #43
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Trump is definitely not Hitler.
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Old 7th January 2019, 09:13 AM   #44
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
American politics had gotten stagnant, the same dance with the same steps over and over with no real change or forward progression just two locked in sleepy giants pushing each other back and forth a few inches at most.
If you take a historical view, American politics have been very active. Look at the last 100 years. Look at the last 50 years. Hell, look at the last 10 years. We've had vast amounts of social, economic, and technological reform, all of which had some varying degree of political cause.

Now, if you mean "there are only two political parties", okay, yeah. The two parties have had the same names for 150-ish years, but the composition and aims of those parties have changed drastically.

Trump represents not a wild card to mix things up, but rather an anti-intellectual belief that "well, anyone can do that." A belief that knowledge, experience, and/or expertise is of equal value to being able to mouth off on a topic with know real understanding about it.
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Trump not only has already completed his, he rates far higher than any president we have ever had.

Yes, he trumps them all by far!

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Old 7th January 2019, 10:09 AM   #46
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Okay, I'm going to try very hard to come up with things I think he did correctly:

1. He recognized Jerusalem as the capitol of Israel. If you're an American diplomat and you need to meet with the Israeli Prime Minister, you go to Jerusalem. The Israeli congress meets in Jerusalem. It's silly to pretend otherwise.

(Although, it might have been nice if he'd reaffirmed some sort of recognition of the Palestinians at the same time. Or, you know, if he'd done it for any reason other than to appease the small but very, very rich minority of Orthodox Jews who support him.)
I am sure they will find some final solution to the palestinian problem someday. Why much of it can no longer remember getting 24 hours of uninterrupted power so they are well on their way.
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Old 7th January 2019, 12:40 PM   #47
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Trump is definitely not Hitler.
As I've been saying for somewhere more than 2 years, "Say what you want about National Socialism, but at least its an ethos." Trump does not have an ethos.

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If you take a historical view, American politics have been very active. Look at the last 100 years. Look at the last 50 years. Hell, look at the last 10 years. We've had vast amounts of social, economic, and technological reform, all of which had some varying degree of political cause.

Now, if you mean "there are only two political parties", okay, yeah. The two parties have had the same names for 150-ish years, but the composition and aims of those parties have changed drastically.

Trump represents not a wild card to mix things up, but rather an anti-intellectual belief that "well, anyone can do that." A belief that knowledge, experience, and/or expertise is of equal value to being able to mouth off on a topic with know real understanding about it.
Its not just the same two parties in name, its the same folks from the same frats at the same universities that run the parties. Sure, the platforms have shifted but it all comes from the same cultural elite that it always has. Trump is also a clear sign that the GOP base was totally fed up with the GOP leadership. When his voters talk about his, "telling it like it is" their really talking about his not filtering his words through, "what will get me in the least trouble." Its not so much about honesty as a lack of varnish.

He represents an anti-intellectual belief more along the lines of "what good have these intellectuals done, lets see what this bull can do in the china shop." I am sympathetic to the idea of overturning the apple cart but like JoeMorgue, wish it were almost anyone else.
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Old 7th January 2019, 05:17 PM   #48
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Old 7th January 2019, 06:03 PM   #49
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I would never say or acknowledge anything positive about Trump; to do so would be unpatriotic.
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Old 7th January 2019, 06:21 PM   #50
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I can definitely say Trump is the greatest, most tremendous, bigly narcissist and pathological liar in the history of US presidents... or maybe the world.
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Old 7th January 2019, 08:12 PM   #51
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PS, I almost forgot that this is supposed to be a "Trump Positive" thread. With that in mind, I am put in mind of a black comedian (who, I forget, but he was pretty funny, and he was probably on "Wait Wait Don't Tell Me") who pointed out that Confederate flags, far from being negative, had the positive effect of being a shorthand warning to people like himself of whom to avoid. I predict that this positive effect will soon be true also of Trump bumper stickers.
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Old 7th January 2019, 08:55 PM   #52
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Lets face it the Ladies love him. He's definitely a Ladies man. After all he is gentle but strong, self assured but not ashamed to show his inner feelings. He has a strong hand shake and a strong IQ, and he is modestly the best in the world at many things, many many things. He knows things that not many people know. He has excellent hair for a man his age, and he is outstandingly fit. Quite positively a national hero, not that he would ever accept such a grand attribution.
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Old 7th January 2019, 09:18 PM   #53
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Old 7th January 2019, 09:26 PM   #54
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That's positively my best experience of the day!
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Old 8th January 2019, 01:35 AM   #55
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he inspires works of art.

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Fantastic, especially the fuzzy spider crawling off Trump's head after he dies.

I do agree, Trump has been gold for comedians.
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Old 8th January 2019, 04:35 AM   #56
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Trump is really good at getting away with fraud and other financial crimes. That is a Trump positive thing.

Also his blatant racism never hurt his popularity, like it would with so many others.

His ability to say total nonsense and contradict it later in the same day with no one being able to hurt him with calls of flip flopping is truely masterful to behold.
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Old 8th January 2019, 07:54 AM   #57
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Old 8th January 2019, 05:21 PM   #58
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This thread has gone off-piste.

I heard Trump can tie his own shoes, and he can make a damned fine job of it too. No one in the world can tie shoes laces like he can.

However, to save precious presidential time at work, presidenting, he wears slip-ons. Now the only time he wears lace-ups is golfing, since only poofs wear slip-ons on the golf course and so it would be entirely un-american to do so.

Other than that - he can make a damn fine cup of tea, though he doesn't drink it himself (he thinks it tastes like piss), but he sure can make a good cupper. So he insists (mostly) on making a good cup of Rosy Lee for any foreign dignitaries he is told he has to be nice to and invite into his house.
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Here is one real factual accomplishment: Trump almost single-handedly is responsible for getting out the vote to turn the House of Representatives from Rep to Dem.

Here is another: Trump, along with his party in charge of both the Senate and the House, showed America and the world conclusively that the Republican Party in its current incarnation can't govern. What they do very well is whining, breaking stuff, shutting things down, and basic corruption - but actually running a country is beyond their abilities.
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I'm don't like the "X is good because it finally shows us how bad Group Y really is" style arguments.

1. Nobody (within any meaningful statistical level) who thinks the Republicans were good before Trump think they are bad now. "Okay but know we know how bad they are for sure this time!" is always more about validating the people who already knew they were bad, not converting the people who didn't.
2. Unless it actually translates to... something being done about Group Y I don't see "Okay but now they are bad is really, really clear" as a good thing.
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Old 9th January 2019, 07:50 AM   #62
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Trump has revealed how insanely tribal we all are, even the Dems and mainstream media. The GOP faithful now approve of things they didn't 5 years ago and every time the media runs a story about how awful the Trump administration is the Dem faithful go nuts even thought the Obama administration was doing something very similar 4 years ago. Sometime the awful photos and video have even been from the Obama administration. This has really pushed me from being skeptical of politics and the news to outright cynicism.

But I guess i'm just taking the middle ground on my high horse.
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Dems and the Media were upset about a lot of things Obama did - you can google the stories.
But unlike Trump, Obama never made it Policy to hurt people and not worry about people dying in custody.
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Dems and the Media were upset about a lot of things Obama did - you can google the stories.
But unlike Trump, Obama never made it Policy to hurt people and not worry about people dying in custody.
But that is the difference between democrats and republicans. W made that a policy with his torture decrees after all.
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Only Trump could put in a performance that makes the current UK government look competent in comparison.
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Only Trump could put in a performance that makes the current UK government look competent in comparison.
That bad eh? I wish i could say I feel for you. But as you said, Trump makes your government seem competent.
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That bad eh? I wish i could say I feel for you. But as you said, Trump makes your government seem competent.
They are both remarkable. The UK for how no one with a sense of reality seems to be able to be involved in anything with government, and Trump for how he maintains support through everything.
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Only Trump could put in a performance that makes the current UK government look competent in comparison.
I know. Imagine if all this crap were going on and Obama was still president.
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Dems and the Media were upset about a lot of things Obama did - you can google the stories.
But unlike Trump, Obama never made it Policy to hurt people and not worry about people dying in custody.
It didn't say it out loud but he did it anyway. His administrations human rights record is worse than Trump's*, they just said nice things while they did it.

I got us into Lybia and assisted the Saudi's Yemen, gassed folks on the border much more Trump, locked up immigrant families, and prosecuted more journalists and leakers for spying. Sure there were some stories about the journalists.
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I've mentioned this a few times but, on a purely conceptual level divorced from the reality of Trump the person or Trump the President there are some things in... the idea of Trump I guess you'd call it, that I like.

I do think that the Republicans and Democrats had gotten a little too... comfortable in their little wizards duel, both safe in the idea that they knew their opponent (and everyone on their team) so well that they could second guess each other and predict what the other one was gonna do before they did it.

American politics had gotten stagnant, the same dance with the same steps over and over with no real change or forward progression just two locked in sleepy giants pushing each other back and forth a few inches at most.

I do sort of like that that apple cart got upturned a little bit.

I wish that pretty much literally anyone else had been the one to upturn it, but still.
It's pretty naÔve to think that what's happening today has anything really to do with politics even on the political stage ó or especially on the political stage.


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Trump has revealed how insanely tribal we all are, even the Dems and mainstream media. The GOP faithful now approve of things they didn't 5 years ago and every time the media runs a story about how awful the Trump administration is the Dem faithful go nuts even thought the Obama administration was doing something very similar 4 years ago. Sometime the awful photos and video have even been from the Obama administration. This has really pushed me from being skeptical of politics and the news to outright cynicism.

But I guess i'm just taking the middle ground on my high horse.
Or perhaps it doesn't show 'tribalism' as such, but more like what the results are when corporations are given equal rights to human beings and money is equated to free speech in a political sense. Plus, I think that we're the most illusioned people in the history of the planet; for decades we've been hammered with "reality TV" and TV news turning into nothing but entertainment and opinion for example. It's no surprise that the next steps are for the people who wish to retain control and power in the world are willing to take further steps such as saying things like "alternative facts" and so on.

What's insane is that, even though some people can see this, they still fight to keep it generally intact.

As to a direct answer to the OP: there is nothing whatsoever good or positive that Trump has done and there's no reason to make **** up or make some sort of joke about it either.
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Why give Trump credit for the FSR Act when it was a bipartisan bill? Every Democrat voted for it while 12 Republicans voted against it. This was not Trump's baby, it was Congress'. They could have passed it with a super-majority even without Trump's support.
The tax bill he's so proud of was 100% Ryan and McConnell, and he has apparently delegated all decisions about which special interests get deregulated. Trump's all about branding, not policy.
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The way I see it, even a stopped clock is right twice a day, and every once in awhile, Trump accidentally gets something right, but his instincts are so bad that he'd probably do better by tossing a coin or consulting a magic 8 ball.
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I don't know why there's a thread about finding something positive to say about him as if that were hard to do. He's clearly the best at everything!
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Lots of business for Twitter. Even I signed up. And will leave when he is history.
Have they figured out how to make money yest? I signed up for Twitter years ago, I still don't quite know what use it is. I guess news on very specific topics that you can't get from most mainstream sources?
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Millions of email and Facebook accounts have been hacked and used by Trump trolls for the broad dissemination of pro-Trump indoctination.

That's a Trump-positive thing. But negative for the millions of people have been hacked on Trump's behalf.
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