Texas Gov. Abbott wants to get rid of mandatory public education - Page 5

Norman Alexander · 12th May 2022, 02:26 PM

Originally Posted by bruto

I'm quite aware of the historic reason, and no doubt those like Warp12 would point out that the current issue of birthright citizenship goes beyond it, but there it is. It's there until it is not.

Of course if enough people get together they can change the Constitution, and then start deporting the children of illegals or of those suspected of being illegal, and eventually the children of the children of illegals to countries they have never been to, and anybody whose parents' papers weren't in order or whose hospitals didn't fill out the forms right, or whose parents' status was uncertain, or who were adopted but not soon enough, and then they can bitch about the expense and curtailment of freedom that makes every birth more bureaucratic and more expensive and requires a legal and appeal process to work even halfway efficiently. And of course there will be a few mistakes, as there already are in border towns where citizens are deported or threatened with it, but you can't make an omelette etc.

And it will all be worth it in the ongoing struggle to make our country the great again banana republic it so longs to be.

You misspelled "empty". Every single human in the USA came from somewhere else, including native Americans at some point, almost every single one "without papers". Removing them and all their ancestors because the ancestors were not legal means effectively everyone must go.

Yes, it's a silly argument. But then the notion of deportation of US-born children of "illegals" of personally despised races and cultures while others are considered acceptable is also a silly notion.

johnny karate · 12th May 2022, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by Warp12

Bad translation, bud.

Is this an indirect way of calling me a racist?

I like how after openly admitting that you don’t care about certain children, being labeled a racist is what concerns you.

Sure, I lack human empathy, but don’t you dare suggest it’s because of racism!

BadBoy · 12th May 2022, 07:35 PM

I read the title of this thread and it just seems like USA is going down the toilet. I do wonder if they keep going to the Christian right we will start to see educated people leave on principle (we are not talking about right wing politics per se here are we. This is essentially fascist ideology. Ban the gays, label some other cultures and people inferior, stop abortion, remove public intellectuals etc etc)

Less education means more idiots the rich Trumps and Bannon's of this world can manipulate.

The Don · 13th May 2022, 12:18 AM

Originally Posted by BadBoy

I read the title of this thread and it just seems like USA is going down the toilet. I do wonder if they keep going to the Christian right we will start to see educated people leave on principle (we are not talking about right wing politics per se here are we. This is essentially fascist ideology. Ban the gays, label some other cultures and people inferior, stop abortion, remove public intellectuals etc etc)

Less education means more idiots the rich Trumps and Bannon's of this world can manipulate.

One of the weaknesses of the US is its federal structure. The degree of autonomy the states have make it very difficult to achieve things on a national level.

One of the strengths of the US is its federal structure. The degree of autonomy the states have make it very difficult to **** things up on a national level.

If those states which lean most Fundamentalist Christian make life too uncomfortable for minorities, women and the well educated then they have the option to move to states where they are less discriminated against. That's scant comfort for those who are unable to move but at least it does provide some hope.

Some states, like Texas, may have economies so strong that people are still persuaded to live there despite the laws that are in force but in those cases I could envisage locally tolerant authorities.

bruto · 13th May 2022, 12:02 PM

So this is a question for Warp12, or anyone who shares his ideas.

Imagine for a moment that you could rewrite the law and the constitutional provision.

Must both parents be legal or only one?

What would be the mechanism for determination?

What exceptions would be granted?

Would there be a statute of limitations? Assuming this law goes on for a while, and that we don't become a complete police state, eventually there will be native-born persons of dubious legality giving birth, and so on. To what country would their children, and their children's children, belong?

Dr. Keith · 13th May 2022, 01:05 PM

I think once the parent becomes president the child is no longer an anchor baby.

Ladewig · 17th May 2022, 05:57 PM

While looking up something else, I found this Mark Twain quote:

Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you gain at one end you lose at the other.

shemp · 17th May 2022, 08:21 PM

Well, they privatized the jails, now they have to close the schools to fill them and get rich.

bruto · 17th May 2022, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Ladewig

While looking up something else, I found this Mark Twain quote:

Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you gain at one end you lose at the other.

I've seen something like that as a bumper sticker, but trust Twain to have said it first and better.

12th May 2022, 02:26 PM	#161
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 11,742	Originally Posted by bruto I'm quite aware of the historic reason, and no doubt those like Warp12 would point out that the current issue of birthright citizenship goes beyond it, but there it is. It's there until it is not. Of course if enough people get together they can change the Constitution, and then start deporting the children of illegals or of those suspected of being illegal, and eventually the children of the children of illegals to countries they have never been to, and anybody whose parents' papers weren't in order or whose hospitals didn't fill out the forms right, or whose parents' status was uncertain, or who were adopted but not soon enough, and then they can bitch about the expense and curtailment of freedom that makes every birth more bureaucratic and more expensive and requires a legal and appeal process to work even halfway efficiently. And of course there will be a few mistakes, as there already are in border towns where citizens are deported or threatened with it, but you can't make an omelette etc. And it will all be worth it in the ongoing struggle to make our country the great again banana republic it so longs to be. You misspelled "empty". Every single human in the USA came from somewhere else, including native Americans at some point, almost every single one "without papers". Removing them and all their ancestors because the ancestors were not legal means effectively everyone must go. Yes, it's a silly argument. But then the notion of deportation of US-born children of "illegals" *of personally despised races and cultures* while others are considered acceptable is also a silly notion.
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12th May 2022, 07:35 PM	#163
BadBoy Graduate Poster Join Date: Jul 2009 Posts: 1,507	I read the title of this thread and it just seems like USA is going down the toilet. I do wonder if they keep going to the Christian right we will start to see educated people leave on principle (we are not talking about right wing politics per se here are we. This is essentially fascist ideology. Ban the gays, label some other cultures and people inferior, stop abortion, remove public intellectuals etc etc) Less education means more idiots the rich Trumps and Bannon's of this world can manipulate.
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13th May 2022, 12:02 PM	#165
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 32,390	So this is a question for Warp12, or anyone who shares his ideas. Imagine for a moment that you could rewrite the law and the constitutional provision. Must both parents be legal or only one? What would be the mechanism for determination? What exceptions would be granted? Would there be a statute of limitations? Assuming this law goes on for a while, and that we don't become a complete police state, eventually there will be native-born persons of dubious legality giving birth, and so on. To what country would their children, and their children's children, belong?
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13th May 2022, 01:05 PM	#166
Dr. Keith Not a doctor. Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 24,933	I think once the parent becomes president the child is no longer an anchor baby.
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17th May 2022, 05:57 PM	#167
Ladewig I lost an avatar bet. Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 28,435	While looking up something else, I found this Mark Twain quote: Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you gain at one end you lose at the other.
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12th May 2022, 05:10 PM	#162
johnny karate ... and your little dog too. Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 15,200	Originally Posted by Warp12 Bad translation, bud. Is this an indirect way of calling me a racist? I like how after openly admitting that you don’t care about certain children, being labeled a racist is what concerns you. Sure, I lack human empathy, but don’t you dare suggest it’s because of racism!

13th May 2022, 12:18 AM	#164
The Don Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sir Fynwy Posts: 34,168	Originally Posted by BadBoy I read the title of this thread and it just seems like USA is going down the toilet. I do wonder if they keep going to the Christian right we will start to see educated people leave on principle (we are not talking about right wing politics per se here are we. This is essentially fascist ideology. Ban the gays, label some other cultures and people inferior, stop abortion, remove public intellectuals etc etc) Less education means more idiots the rich Trumps and Bannon's of this world can manipulate. One of the weaknesses of the US is its federal structure. The degree of autonomy the states have make it very difficult to achieve things on a national level. One of the strengths of the US is its federal structure. The degree of autonomy the states have make it very difficult to **** things up on a national level. If those states which lean most Fundamentalist Christian make life too uncomfortable for minorities, women and the well educated then they have the option to move to states where they are less discriminated against. That's scant comfort for those who are unable to move but at least it does provide some hope. Some states, like Texas, may have economies so strong that people are still persuaded to live there despite the laws that are in force but in those cases I could envisage locally tolerant authorities.

17th May 2022, 08:21 PM	#168
shemp a flimsy character...perfidious and despised Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: People's Democratic Republic of Planet X Posts: 47,715	Well, they privatized the jails, now they have to close the schools to fill them and get rich.
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17th May 2022, 08:30 PM	#169
bruto Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Way way north of Diddy Wah Diddy Posts: 32,390	Originally Posted by Ladewig While looking up something else, I found this Mark Twain quote: Every time you stop a school, you will have to build a jail. What you gain at one end you lose at the other. I've seen something like that as a bumper sticker, but trust Twain to have said it first and better.
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