[Continuation] Australian Politics - The Morrison Period Part II - Page 2

lionking · 3rd July 2021, 08:59 PM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

It's 3 days later and they just announced 16 new cases in NSW.

What's happened?

In the last 4 days there have been over 40 infected people not in isolation in shops, at beaches, in parks etc etc. This outbreak has a while to go yet.

Orphia Nay · 3rd July 2021, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

In the last 4 days there have been over 40 infected people not in isolation in shops, at beaches, in parks etc etc. This outbreak has a while to go yet.

Is it the delta or the alpha strain?

lionking · 3rd July 2021, 09:27 PM

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

It's 3 days later and they just announced 16 new cases in NSW.

What's happened?

Originally Posted by Orphia Nay

Is it the delta or the alpha strain?

Delta. Many infections in this outbreak occurred outside and with only fleeting contact.

Norman Alexander · 4th July 2021, 03:59 AM

Originally Posted by rjh01

Noise. Probably the labs are not working flat out on a Saturday. Still too high.

Yes, they are. It's automated, mostly.

Yes, it's far too high.

Norman Alexander · 4th July 2021, 04:06 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

In the last 4 days there have been over 40 infected people not in isolation in shops, at beaches, in parks etc etc. This outbreak has a while to go yet.

There was a segment on the news tonight about people simply ignoring the lockdown and going out socialising at the beach, etc. Meanwhile, some cafe owners on the beachfront get pinged and fined by the cops for having two over their limit standing in their shop, or ill-fitting masks, getting takeaway coffees (which is allowed). Ridiculous!

Then again, we have also had a couple pinged $1000 each at Jenolan Caves, having driven there from the Eastern Suburbs "because they were bored".

The lockdown rules are simply not being enforced consistently. Surely Gladys can see this would be a great little treasury money-spinner if they did?? Better than speed cameras!

Orphia Nay · 4th July 2021, 06:07 PM

NSW up to 35 community cases, seven not in isolation.

Gladys is expecting the numbers in isolation to rise.

lionking · 5th July 2021, 12:13 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

There was a segment on the news tonight about people simply ignoring the lockdown and going out socialising at the beach, etc. Meanwhile, some cafe owners on the beachfront get pinged and fined by the cops for having two over their limit standing in their shop, or ill-fitting masks, getting takeaway coffees (which is allowed). Ridiculous!

Then again, we have also had a couple pinged $1000 each at Jenolan Caves, having driven there from the Eastern Suburbs "because they were bored".

The lockdown rules are simply not being enforced consistently. Surely Gladys can see this would be a great little treasury money-spinner if they did?? Better than speed cameras!

At her presser today she told people to avoid the shops she kept open!!! She may even open everything up on Friday.

**** you Gladys.

lionking · 7th July 2021, 05:03 AM

Oh for goodness sake. I have just found that the government broadcasting regulator has just allowed TV networks to abandon regional news reporting. What have they been replaced with? Sky News.

I feel ill.

Norman Alexander · 7th July 2021, 03:11 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

At her presser today she told people to avoid the shops she kept open!!! She may even open everything up on Friday.

**** you Gladys.

Nope. Another week of lockdown.

arthwollipot · 7th July 2021, 05:42 PM

Sorry if it seems like I'm banging on about this one guy, but...

Call for Nationals to reinvestigate sexual harassment allegation against Barnaby Joyce

Quote:

Revelation concerning figure who oversaw initial inquiry means new probe is needed, says friend of Joyce’s accuser

There is a call for the Nationals to reopen an inquiry into a sexual harassment allegation against Barnaby Joyce following revelations the NSW state director who oversaw the initial investigation was the subject of an apprehended domestic violence order application. Joyce has consistently denied the sexual harassment allegation.

Ross Cadell, who has been selected by the NSW Nationals to take their top spot on the joint Coalition Senate ticket, was the subject of an apprehended domestic violence order application made against him by police on behalf of his former wife in 2014.

The application was withdrawn and Cadell has denied any wrongdoing, telling Guardian Australia: “I was subject to an application that was withdrawn. I am not going to relive any part of that. A separation is painful for everyone, it is over, nothing came from that, and that is all I can say.”

While a small group of party figures was made aware of the application in Cadell’s past, the Nationals members who voted on the Senate ticket were not.

Sue Middleton, a close friend of Catherine Marriott, whose complaint against Joyce resulted in an inconclusive investigation by the NSW division, claimed the fresh revelations regarding Cadell showed the process was a “travesty”.

“I found the internal party process to be extraordinary at the time, and still to this date, I question the ability of any party member to find an adverse outcome against a member of their party that in their own words ‘delivers them political outcomes,’” Middleton told Guardian Australia.

“Given the background that has come to light, I do not believe the Joyce investigation result is now credible.”

The Atheist · 7th July 2021, 10:12 PM

Gladys' genius plan of asking people to be good doesn't seem to be working out: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-57758801

We've pulled the plug indefinitely on travel from NSW.

Norman Alexander · 7th July 2021, 10:29 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Gladys' genius plan of asking people to be good doesn't seem to be working out: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-57758801

We've pulled the plug indefinitely on travel from NSW.

Let's look at the numbers, shall we?

Quote:

The city in the state of New South Wales reported 38 cases on Thursday- taking its outbreak of the Delta variant to about 370 cases.

In a city of over 4 million people.

Here's London, population just under 9 million, or about twice as many people as Sydney.

Quote:

On 07 July 2021 the daily number of new people tested positive for COVID-19 in London was reported as 3,314
The total number of COVID-19 cases identified in London is 783,437 as at 06 July 2021

https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/c...ovid-19--cases

The Atheist · 7th July 2021, 10:38 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Let's look at the numbers, shall we?
In a city of over 4 million people.

Here's London, population just under 9 million, or about twice as many people as Sydney.https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/c...ovid-19--cases

London never pursued an elimination approach, so the two aren't comparable in any way.

arthwollipot · 7th July 2021, 11:08 PM

And now the news of a surge of police presence in areas of south-west Sydney that are home to many people of minority and low socioeconomic background is causing something of a stir.

lionking · 8th July 2021, 01:17 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Let's look at the numbers, shall we?
In a city of over 4 million people.

Here's London, population just under 9 million, or about twice as many people as Sydney.https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/c...ovid-19--cases

London has a decent vaccination rate. If Sydney or Melbourne had a similar rate, rather than 10% having the full dose, they would not lock down as hard. People who have been vaccinated also do not get as ill. Apples and oranges.

Norman Alexander · 8th July 2021, 02:33 AM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

London never pursued an elimination approach, so the two aren't comparable in any way.

They are the comparison of the COVID infection rates in two relatable populations. It is what those people, these cities, are living and dealing with right now. The numbers are at those levels and that's what is important to them right now.

How or why the numbers are at those levels is pretty much irrelevant to that comparison. And if I had picked a Brazillian city it would probably have been an even worse comparison.

Norman Alexander · 8th July 2021, 02:40 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

London has a decent vaccination rate. If Sydney or Melbourne had a similar rate, rather than 10% having the full dose, they would not lock down as hard. People who have been vaccinated also do not get as ill. Apples and oranges.

Then why is London's infection rate significantly higher than for Sydney?

NB. I agree with your logic. I'm appalled at the slackadaisical approach to the problem by the Feds, especially from Scomo and Hunt who are now trying to spin their way out of trouble. If Gladys was a week late locking Sydney down harder, Scomo and Hunt are a whole year late for raiding the world like pirates trying to get us all vaccines. In fact they haven't really got off their arses on this yet.

The Atheist · 8th July 2021, 03:21 AM

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

And now the news of a surge of police presence in areas of south-west Sydney that are home to many people of minority and low socioeconomic background is causing something of a stir.

Yet, it seems the spread of the disease in those parts is due to families visiting each other, plus the test rates in those areas are extremely low, so the response looks justified: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austra...uthwest-sydney

It's a no-win game. If a softer approach is taken so as not to offend sensibilities, the virus won't be brought under control, while if they go hard, it's racist or discriminatory against the poor.

Given we're dealing with a disease that's killed ~10,000,000 people so far, I think there's only one choice.

lionking · 8th July 2021, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Yet, it seems the spread of the disease in those parts is due to families visiting each other, plus the test rates in those areas are extremely low, so the response looks justified: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austra...uthwest-sydney

It's a no-win game. If a softer approach is taken so as not to offend sensibilities, the virus won't be brought under control, while if they go hard, it's racist or discriminatory against the poor.

Given we're dealing with a disease that's killed ~10,000,000 people so far, I think there's only one choice.

Yes agreed.

Norman Alexander · 8th July 2021, 06:41 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

Yes agreed.

Yep.

I hate to say it, but in some of these communities, their attitudes tend towards thinking the rules do not apply to them. Not just lockdown but rules generally. They have an old-fashioned macho that says they are too tough for the virus. They think the COVID rules are somehow optional or excusable, especially when it comes to visiting family.

The Atheist · 8th July 2021, 11:43 AM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

I hate to say it, but in some of these communities, their attitudes tend towards thinking the rules do not apply to them. Not just lockdown but rules generally. They have an old-fashioned macho that says they are too tough for the virus. They think the COVID rules are somehow optional or excusable, especially when it comes to visiting family.

Oh boy, you're going to be tied to a tree and whipped.

It was very noticeable here last year that two of the outbreaks later in the year were directly attributable to one particular sector of the community. I'd be called a racist myself if I said which one, but they eat a lot of curry, some of them wear turbans, and it appears most of them own a Prius that doubles as an Uber when they're not otherwise working.

It was found that not only did they fail to follow the rules, they blatantly lied to contact tracers, potentially putting the entire country at risk. They claimed they didn't understand, despite translators and translations being used, their own community leaders appealing for adherence, and every Kiwi ready to dob them in. Thankfully, a couple of those dobbers saved the country a bullet on both occasions.

Every group has its share of rule-breakers, but some stand out.

I said way back in the pandemic that people flouting the Covid rules should be dealt with very harshly, and still think it's true.

Norman Alexander · 8th July 2021, 02:09 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Oh boy, you're going to be tied to a tree and whipped.

Now they are trying to trot out the "Don't pick on us, it's unfair!" line. Sorry, folks. You are being responsible for an entirely avoidable outbreak of a very nasty disease, and it shows. You are not being picked on by the media or the community but by the virus.

Orphia Nay · 8th July 2021, 04:52 PM

Not to mention apples and oranges or alphas and deltas.

This time it's different.

lionking · 8th July 2021, 06:32 PM

And more restrictions in Sydney, but all retail stays open? New exposure sites at K-Mart and many other non-essential shops. Labor states Vic, Qld and WA lock down hard and eliminate covid. Gladys is a joke.

I will now be surprised if infections don’t reach 100 a day.

lionking · 9th July 2021, 02:23 AM

Melbourne approach to covid:
Hard lockdown
5km travel limit
Masks indoors and outdoors
Retail lockdown apart from a few essential outlets

Sydney approach to lockdown:
Mock down
Belated 10km travel limit
Masks indoor only
Retail open but “no browsing” whatever that means.
Hold hands and pray
Blame everyone else

Commonwealth reaction:

Melbourne
Consistent condemnation by Morrison and Frydenberg
Means tested wage relief
No extra vaccinations

Sydney
Words of sympathy and support from Morrison and co
300,000 extra vaccinations
Non- means tested wage relief

Morrison is not PM of Australia, but certainly PM of Sydney.

The Libs will decimated in Victoria next year when the election has to be held. Both because his vaccine failures and his failure to address sexual harassment issues. The local mayor may even win.

The Atheist · 9th July 2021, 03:42 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

And more restrictions in Sydney, but all retail stays open? New exposure sites at K-Mart and many other non-essential shops. Labor states Vic, Qld and WA lock down hard and eliminate covid. Gladys is a joke.

I will now be surprised if infections don’t reach 100 a day.

Yeah, Gladys dropped the ball big time.

I'd be surprised if it isn't 100 a day in the next 5 days. The number of people active in the community while infectious has doubled daily for the past four days.

I'm very pleased to see we've abandoned the idea of flying Kiwis stuck in NSW home. They knew the risks before they travelled and nobody here gives a flying **** about their problems.

Norman Alexander · 9th July 2021, 04:23 AM

Originally Posted by lionking

Melbourne approach to covid:
Hard lockdown
5km travel limit
Masks indoors and outdoors
Retail lockdown apart from a few essential outlets

Sydney approach to lockdown:
Mock down
Belated 10km travel limit
Masks indoor only
Retail open but “no browsing” whatever that means.
Hold hands and pray
Blame everyone else

Commonwealth reaction:

Melbourne
Consistent condemnation by Morrison and Frydenberg
Means tested wage relief
No extra vaccinations

Sydney
Words of sympathy and support from Morrison and co
300,000 extra vaccinations
Non- means tested wage relief

Morrison is not PM of Australia, but certainly PM of Sydney.

The Libs will decimated in Victoria next year when the election has to be held. Both because his vaccine failures and his failure to address sexual harassment issues. The local mayor may even win.

Morrison is a happy-clappy from The Shire. Proves he is brain-dead and useless in a crisis. But he does like to favour his "mates" a lot. The Libs, plus Beetroot's crazy mob, should be decimated across Australia whenever the next election comes.

arthwollipot · 9th July 2021, 07:32 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Morrison is a happy-clappy from The Shire. Proves he is brain-dead and useless in a crisis. But he does like to favour his "mates" a lot. The Libs, plus Beetroot's crazy mob, should be decimated across Australia whenever the next election comes.

..but they won't be.

rjh01 · 9th July 2021, 09:37 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Morrison is a happy-clappy from The Shire. Proves he is brain-dead and useless in a crisis. But he does like to favour his "mates" a lot. The Libs, plus Beetroot's crazy mob, should be decimated across Australia whenever the next election comes.

Originally Posted by arthwollipot

..but they won't be.

There are so many people who are really stupid. I am shocked how frequently I read really stupid comments on Facebook.

Edit. On the other hand there are plenty of critical comments on the PM's page https://www.facebook.com/scottmorrison4cook

lionking · 10th July 2021, 06:05 PM

77 cases now in Sydney. And one dead. Even Gladys is predicting 100 tomorrow.

rjh01 · 10th July 2021, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

77 cases now in Sydney. And one dead. Even Gladys is predicting 100 tomorrow.

The problem is that it takes a week or two for any action to have any effect. So politicians need to react not to the current figures, but to the figures that will be in one or two weeks time. This can be very hard to do. NSW failed in this, so they have figures that will match Victoria's figures before this is over.

In a week from now, NSW could have 3,400 locally acquired cases up from 2,752 now. These figures do not include people who have come from overseas with Covid 19. If I am wrong then the numbers are likely to be higher. Anything less would be due to measures taken at least a week ago.

Ref: https://covidlive.com.au/

Orphia Nay · 10th July 2021, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by lionking

77 cases now in Sydney. And one dead. Even Gladys is predicting 100 tomorrow.

33 of those were infectious in the community, and the delta is even more exponential than what Victoria knows.

The Atheist · 13th July 2021, 06:50 PM

I trust there will be some political blow-back for Gladys and the NSW government - they've really screwed up this time.

When you're already a fortnight into restrictions but still have 24 people in the community for all of their infectious period, something is seriously broken.

I've been critical of the speed our government has moved at once or twice, but they have at least acted quickly, with Wellington's recent shutdown being in response to one case.

Norman Alexander · 13th July 2021, 07:53 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

I trust there will be some political blow-back for Gladys and the NSW government - they've really screwed up this time.

When you're already a fortnight into restrictions but still have 24 people in the community for all of their infectious period, something is seriously broken.

I've been critical of the speed our government has moved at once or twice, but they have at least acted quickly, with Wellington's recent shutdown being in response to one case.

To find them, they have to be tested. To be tested, they have to turn up at a testing station. If they don't or won't turn up for testing then they will be unknown infections in the community. Simples.

The Atheist · 13th July 2021, 08:17 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

To find them, they have to be tested. To be tested, they have to turn up at a testing station. If they don't or won't turn up for testing then they will be unknown infections in the community. Simples.

Nope - at least some of them came from homes which were supposed to be isolating.

Obviously, people who aren't isolating aren't the issue, but significant numbers of people who are supposed to be are not.

This is why we place people in secure accommodation if they come from an infected household.

The Atheist · 13th July 2021, 08:28 PM

Not to mention, the weakness of NSW's response allowing the virus to infect Victorians.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...f-49893bc9eb93

Why removals are being allowed to continue unhindered astonishes me.

Norman Alexander · 13th July 2021, 11:35 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Nope - at least some of them came from homes which were supposed to be isolating.

Obviously, people who aren't isolating aren't the issue, but significant numbers of people who are supposed to be are not.

This is why we place people in secure accommodation if they come from an infected household.

They won't know they are supposed to be isolating until they are tested and confirmed positive. THEN they should be isolated.

Also, the people in that home, i.e. contacts, also need to isolate.

But they are all invisible until at least one of them gets tested.

None of them got tested.

And here we are.

Norman Alexander · 13th July 2021, 11:37 PM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

Not to mention, the weakness of NSW's response allowing the virus to infect Victorians.

https://www.9news.com.au/national/co...f-49893bc9eb93

Why removals are being allowed to continue unhindered astonishes me.

From that report:

Quote:

His infection is linked to the family of four who returned from Sydney and broke quarantine rules by visiting the Coles and a petrol station.

The Atheist · 14th July 2021, 03:13 AM

That's the exact point I'm making - people will not willingly follow rules.

I'm pleased to see we're very likely to pull the plug on Victoria as well tonight.

Norman Alexander · 14th July 2021, 04:27 AM

Originally Posted by The Atheist

That's the exact point I'm making - people will not willingly follow rules.

So you are saying that a Victorian family trying to return home to Victoria should be denied access at the Murray and turned around back INTO NSW to fend for themselves with no support?

Quote:

I'm pleased to see we're very likely to pull the plug on Victoria as well tonight.

Oh good! Will it sink in Bass Strait now?

3rd July 2021, 08:59 PM	#41
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 49,893	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay It's 3 days later and they just announced 16 new cases in NSW. What's happened? In the last 4 days there have been over 40 infected people not in isolation in shops, at beaches, in parks etc etc. This outbreak has a while to go yet.
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3rd July 2021, 09:08 PM	#42
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Photo Contest Winner Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 40,456	Originally Posted by lionking In the last 4 days there have been over 40 infected people not in isolation in shops, at beaches, in parks etc etc. This outbreak has a while to go yet. Is it the delta or the alpha strain?
	__________________ "We stigmatize and send to the margins people who trigger in us the feelings we want to avoid" - Melinda Gates, "The Moment of Lift".

3rd July 2021, 09:27 PM	#43
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 49,893	Originally Posted by Orphia Nay It's 3 days later and they just announced 16 new cases in NSW. What's happened? Originally Posted by Orphia Nay Is it the delta or the alpha strain? Delta. Many infections in this outbreak occurred outside and with only fleeting contact.
	__________________ A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Sir Winston Churchill

4th July 2021, 03:59 AM	#44
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 11,791	Originally Posted by rjh01 Noise. Probably the labs are not working flat out on a Saturday. Still too high. Yes, they are. It's automated, mostly. Yes, it's far too high.
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4th July 2021, 04:06 AM	#45
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 11,791	Originally Posted by lionking In the last 4 days there have been over 40 infected people not in isolation in shops, at beaches, in parks etc etc. This outbreak has a while to go yet. There was a segment on the news tonight about people simply ignoring the lockdown and going out socialising at the beach, etc. Meanwhile, some cafe owners on the beachfront get pinged and fined by the cops for having two over their limit standing in their shop, or ill-fitting masks, getting takeaway coffees (which is allowed). Ridiculous! Then again, we have also had a couple pinged $1000 each at Jenolan Caves, having driven there from the Eastern Suburbs "because they were bored". The lockdown rules are simply not being enforced consistently. Surely Gladys can see this would be a great little treasury money-spinner if they did?? Better than speed cameras!
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

4th July 2021, 06:07 PM	#46
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Photo Contest Winner Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 40,456	NSW up to 35 community cases, seven not in isolation. Gladys is expecting the numbers in isolation to rise.
	__________________ "We stigmatize and send to the margins people who trigger in us the feelings we want to avoid" - Melinda Gates, "The Moment of Lift".

5th July 2021, 12:13 AM	#47
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 49,893	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander There was a segment on the news tonight about people simply ignoring the lockdown and going out socialising at the beach, etc. Meanwhile, some cafe owners on the beachfront get pinged and fined by the cops for having two over their limit standing in their shop, or ill-fitting masks, getting takeaway coffees (which is allowed). Ridiculous! Then again, we have also had a couple pinged $1000 each at Jenolan Caves, having driven there from the Eastern Suburbs "because they were bored". The lockdown rules are simply not being enforced consistently. Surely Gladys can see this would be a great little treasury money-spinner if they did?? Better than speed cameras! At her presser today she told people to avoid the shops she kept open!!! She may even open everything up on Friday. **** you Gladys.
	__________________ A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Sir Winston Churchill

7th July 2021, 05:03 AM	#48
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 49,893	Oh for goodness sake. I have just found that the government broadcasting regulator has just allowed TV networks to abandon regional news reporting. What have they been replaced with? Sky News. I feel ill.
	__________________ A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject. Sir Winston Churchill

7th July 2021, 03:11 PM	#49
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 11,791	Originally Posted by lionking At her presser today she told people to avoid the shops she kept open!!! She may even open everything up on Friday. **** you Gladys. Nope. Another week of lockdown.
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

7th July 2021, 05:42 PM	#50
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 76,814	Sorry if it seems like I'm banging on about this one guy, but... Call for Nationals to reinvestigate sexual harassment allegation against Barnaby Joyce Quote: Revelation concerning figure who oversaw initial inquiry means new probe is needed, says friend of Joyce’s accuser There is a call for the Nationals to reopen an inquiry into a sexual harassment allegation against Barnaby Joyce following revelations the NSW state director who oversaw the initial investigation was the subject of an apprehended domestic violence order application. Joyce has consistently denied the sexual harassment allegation. Ross Cadell, who has been selected by the NSW Nationals to take their top spot on the joint Coalition Senate ticket, was the subject of an apprehended domestic violence order application made against him by police on behalf of his former wife in 2014. The application was withdrawn and Cadell has denied any wrongdoing, telling Guardian Australia: “I was subject to an application that was withdrawn. I am not going to relive any part of that. A separation is painful for everyone, it is over, nothing came from that, and that is all I can say.” While a small group of party figures was made aware of the application in Cadell’s past, the Nationals members who voted on the Senate ticket were not. Sue Middleton, a close friend of Catherine Marriott, whose complaint against Joyce resulted in an inconclusive investigation by the NSW division, claimed the fresh revelations regarding Cadell showed the process was a “travesty”. “I found the internal party process to be extraordinary at the time, and still to this date, I question the ability of any party member to find an adverse outcome against a member of their party that in their own words ‘delivers them political outcomes,’” Middleton told Guardian Australia. “Given the background that has come to light, I do not believe the Joyce investigation result is now credible.”
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7th July 2021, 10:12 PM	#51
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 31,886	Gladys' genius plan of asking people to be good doesn't seem to be working out: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-57758801 We've pulled the plug indefinitely on travel from NSW.
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7th July 2021, 10:29 PM	#52
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 11,791	Originally Posted by The Atheist Gladys' genius plan of asking people to be good doesn't seem to be working out: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-57758801 We've pulled the plug indefinitely on travel from NSW. Let's look at the numbers, shall we? Quote: The city in the state of New South Wales reported 38 cases on Thursday- taking its outbreak of the Delta variant to about 370 cases. In a city of over 4 million people. Here's London, population just under 9 million, or about twice as many people as Sydney. Quote: On 07 July 2021 the daily number of new people tested positive for COVID-19 in London was reported as 3,314 The total number of COVID-19 cases identified in London is 783,437 as at 06 July 2021 https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/c...ovid-19--cases
	__________________ _{...our governments are just trying to protect us from terror. In the same way that someone banging a hornets’ nest with a stick is trying to protect us from hornets. Frankie Boyle, Guardian, July 2015}

7th July 2021, 10:38 PM	#53
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 31,886	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Let's look at the numbers, shall we? In a city of over 4 million people. Here's London, population just under 9 million, or about twice as many people as Sydney.https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/c...ovid-19--cases London never pursued an elimination approach, so the two aren't comparable in any way.
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7th July 2021, 11:08 PM	#54
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 76,814	And now the news of a surge of police presence in areas of south-west Sydney that are home to many people of minority and low socioeconomic background is causing something of a stir.
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8th July 2021, 01:17 AM	#55
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 49,893	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Let's look at the numbers, shall we? In a city of over 4 million people. Here's London, population just under 9 million, or about twice as many people as Sydney.https://data.london.gov.uk/dataset/c...ovid-19--cases London has a decent vaccination rate. If Sydney or Melbourne had a similar rate, rather than 10% having the full dose, they would not lock down as hard. People who have been vaccinated also do not get as ill. Apples and oranges.
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8th July 2021, 02:33 AM	#56
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 11,791	Originally Posted by The Atheist London never pursued an elimination approach, so the two aren't comparable in any way. They are the comparison of the COVID infection rates in two relatable populations. It is what those people, these cities, are living and dealing with right now. The numbers are at those levels and that's what is important to them right now. How or why the numbers are at those levels is pretty much irrelevant to that comparison. And if I had picked a Brazillian city it would probably have been an even worse comparison.
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8th July 2021, 02:40 AM	#57
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 11,791	Originally Posted by lionking London has a decent vaccination rate. If Sydney or Melbourne had a similar rate, rather than 10% having the full dose, they would not lock down as hard. People who have been vaccinated also do not get as ill. Apples and oranges. Then why is London's infection rate significantly higher than for Sydney? NB. I agree with your logic. I'm appalled at the slackadaisical approach to the problem by the Feds, especially from Scomo and Hunt who are now trying to spin their way out of trouble. If Gladys was a week late locking Sydney down harder, Scomo and Hunt are a whole year late for raiding the world like pirates trying to get us all vaccines. In fact they haven't really got off their arses on this yet.
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8th July 2021, 03:21 AM	#58
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 31,886	Originally Posted by arthwollipot And now the news of a surge of police presence in areas of south-west Sydney that are home to many people of minority and low socioeconomic background is causing something of a stir. Yet, it seems the spread of the disease in those parts is due to families visiting each other, plus the test rates in those areas are extremely low, so the response looks justified: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austra...uthwest-sydney It's a no-win game. If a softer approach is taken so as not to offend sensibilities, the virus won't be brought under control, while if they go hard, it's racist or discriminatory against the poor. Given we're dealing with a disease that's killed ~10,000,000 people so far, I think there's only one choice.
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8th July 2021, 04:09 AM	#59
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 49,893	Originally Posted by The Atheist Yet, it seems the spread of the disease in those parts is due to families visiting each other, plus the test rates in those areas are extremely low, so the response looks justified: https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/austra...uthwest-sydney It's a no-win game. If a softer approach is taken so as not to offend sensibilities, the virus won't be brought under control, while if they go hard, it's racist or discriminatory against the poor. Given we're dealing with a disease that's killed ~10,000,000 people so far, I think there's only one choice. Yes agreed.
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8th July 2021, 06:41 AM	#60
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 11,791	Originally Posted by lionking Yes agreed. Yep. I hate to say it, but in some of these communities, their attitudes tend towards thinking the rules do not apply to them. Not just lockdown but rules generally. They have an old-fashioned macho that says they are too tough for the virus. They think the COVID rules are somehow optional or excusable, especially when it comes to visiting family.
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8th July 2021, 11:43 AM	#61
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 31,886	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander I hate to say it, but in some of these communities, their attitudes tend towards thinking the rules do not apply to them. Not just lockdown but rules generally. They have an old-fashioned macho that says they are too tough for the virus. They think the COVID rules are somehow optional or excusable, especially when it comes to visiting family. Oh boy, you're going to be tied to a tree and whipped. It was very noticeable here last year that two of the outbreaks later in the year were directly attributable to one particular sector of the community. I'd be called a racist myself if I said which one, but they eat a lot of curry, some of them wear turbans, and it appears most of them own a Prius that doubles as an Uber when they're not otherwise working. It was found that not only did they fail to follow the rules, they blatantly lied to contact tracers, potentially putting the entire country at risk. They claimed they didn't understand, despite translators and translations being used, their own community leaders appealing for adherence, and every Kiwi ready to dob them in. Thankfully, a couple of those dobbers saved the country a bullet on both occasions. Every group has its share of rule-breakers, but some stand out. I said way back in the pandemic that people flouting the Covid rules should be dealt with very harshly, and still think it's true.
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8th July 2021, 02:09 PM	#62
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 11,791	Originally Posted by The Atheist Oh boy, you're going to be tied to a tree and whipped. Now they are trying to trot out the "Don't pick on us, it's unfair!" line. Sorry, folks. You are being responsible for an entirely avoidable outbreak of a very nasty disease, and it shows. You are not being picked on by the media or the community but by the virus.
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8th July 2021, 04:52 PM	#63
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Photo Contest Winner Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 40,456	Not to mention apples and oranges or alphas and deltas. This time it's different.
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8th July 2021, 06:32 PM	#64
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 49,893	And more restrictions in Sydney, but all retail stays open? New exposure sites at K-Mart and many other non-essential shops. Labor states Vic, Qld and WA lock down hard and eliminate covid. Gladys is a joke. I will now be surprised if infections don’t reach 100 a day.
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9th July 2021, 02:23 AM	#65
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 49,893	Melbourne approach to covid: Hard lockdown 5km travel limit Masks indoors and outdoors Retail lockdown apart from a few essential outlets Sydney approach to lockdown: Mock down Belated 10km travel limit Masks indoor only Retail open but “no browsing” whatever that means. Hold hands and pray Blame everyone else Commonwealth reaction: Melbourne Consistent condemnation by Morrison and Frydenberg Means tested wage relief No extra vaccinations Sydney Words of sympathy and support from Morrison and co 300,000 extra vaccinations Non- means tested wage relief Morrison is not PM of Australia, but certainly PM of Sydney. The Libs will decimated in Victoria next year when the election has to be held. Both because his vaccine failures and his failure to address sexual harassment issues. The local mayor may even win.
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9th July 2021, 03:42 AM	#66
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 31,886	Originally Posted by lionking And more restrictions in Sydney, but all retail stays open? New exposure sites at K-Mart and many other non-essential shops. Labor states Vic, Qld and WA lock down hard and eliminate covid. Gladys is a joke. I will now be surprised if infections don’t reach 100 a day. Yeah, Gladys dropped the ball big time. I'd be surprised if it isn't 100 a day in the next 5 days. The number of people active in the community while infectious has doubled daily for the past four days. I'm very pleased to see we've abandoned the idea of flying Kiwis stuck in NSW home. They knew the risks before they travelled and nobody here gives a flying **** about their problems.
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9th July 2021, 04:23 AM	#67
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 11,791	Originally Posted by lionking Melbourne approach to covid: Hard lockdown 5km travel limit Masks indoors and outdoors Retail lockdown apart from a few essential outlets Sydney approach to lockdown: Mock down Belated 10km travel limit Masks indoor only Retail open but “no browsing” whatever that means. Hold hands and pray Blame everyone else Commonwealth reaction: Melbourne Consistent condemnation by Morrison and Frydenberg Means tested wage relief No extra vaccinations Sydney Words of sympathy and support from Morrison and co 300,000 extra vaccinations Non- means tested wage relief Morrison is not PM of Australia, but certainly PM of Sydney. The Libs will decimated in Victoria next year when the election has to be held. Both because his vaccine failures and his failure to address sexual harassment issues. The local mayor may even win. Morrison is a happy-clappy from The Shire. Proves he is brain-dead and useless in a crisis. But he does like to favour his "mates" a lot. The Libs, plus Beetroot's crazy mob, should be decimated across Australia whenever the next election comes.
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9th July 2021, 07:32 PM	#68
arthwollipot Observer of Phenomena Pronouns: he/him Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Ngunnawal Country Posts: 76,814	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Morrison is a happy-clappy from The Shire. Proves he is brain-dead and useless in a crisis. But he does like to favour his "mates" a lot. The Libs, plus Beetroot's crazy mob, should be decimated across Australia whenever the next election comes. ..but they won't be.
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9th July 2021, 09:37 PM	#69
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Flying around in the sky Posts: 27,327	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Morrison is a happy-clappy from The Shire. Proves he is brain-dead and useless in a crisis. But he does like to favour his "mates" a lot. The Libs, plus Beetroot's crazy mob, should be decimated across Australia whenever the next election comes. Originally Posted by arthwollipot ..but they won't be. There are so many people who are really stupid. I am shocked how frequently I read really stupid comments on Facebook. Edit. On the other hand there are plenty of critical comments on the PM's page https://www.facebook.com/scottmorrison4cook
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10th July 2021, 06:05 PM	#70
lionking In the Peanut Gallery Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Melbourne Posts: 49,893	77 cases now in Sydney. And one dead. Even Gladys is predicting 100 tomorrow.
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10th July 2021, 07:28 PM	#71
rjh01 Gentleman of leisure Tagger Join Date: May 2005 Location: Flying around in the sky Posts: 27,327	Originally Posted by lionking 77 cases now in Sydney. And one dead. Even Gladys is predicting 100 tomorrow. The problem is that it takes a week or two for any action to have any effect. So politicians need to react not to the current figures, but to the figures that will be in one or two weeks time. This can be very hard to do. NSW failed in this, so they have figures that will match Victoria's figures before this is over. In a week from now, NSW could have 3,400 locally acquired cases up from 2,752 now. These figures do not include people who have come from overseas with Covid 19. If I am wrong then the numbers are likely to be higher. Anything less would be due to measures taken at least a week ago. Ref: https://covidlive.com.au/
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10th July 2021, 10:16 PM	#72
Orphia Nay Penguilicious Spodmaster. Tagger Photo Contest Winner Join Date: May 2005 Location: Ponylandistan Presidential Palace (above the Spods' stables). Posts: 40,456	Originally Posted by lionking 77 cases now in Sydney. And one dead. Even Gladys is predicting 100 tomorrow. 33 of those were infectious in the community, and the delta is even more exponential than what Victoria knows.
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13th July 2021, 06:50 PM	#73
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 31,886	I trust there will be some political blow-back for Gladys and the NSW government - they've really screwed up this time. When you're already a fortnight into restrictions but still have 24 people in the community for all of their infectious period, something is seriously broken. I've been critical of the speed our government has moved at once or twice, but they have at least acted quickly, with Wellington's recent shutdown being in response to one case.
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13th July 2021, 07:53 PM	#74
Norman Alexander Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: Gundungurra Posts: 11,791	Originally Posted by The Atheist I trust there will be some political blow-back for Gladys and the NSW government - they've really screwed up this time. When you're already a fortnight into restrictions but still have 24 people in the community for all of their infectious period, something is seriously broken. I've been critical of the speed our government has moved at once or twice, but they have at least acted quickly, with Wellington's recent shutdown being in response to one case. To find them, they have to be tested. To be tested, they have to turn up at a testing station. If they don't or won't turn up for testing then they will be unknown infections in the community. Simples.
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13th July 2021, 08:17 PM	#75
The Atheist The Grammar Tyrant Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 31,886	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander To find them, they have to be tested. To be tested, they have to turn up at a testing station. If they don't or won't turn up for testing then they will be unknown infections in the community. Simples. Nope - at least some of them came from homes which were supposed to be isolating. Obviously, people who aren't isolating aren't the issue, but significant numbers of people who are supposed to be are not. This is why we place people in secure accommodation if they come from an infected household.
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