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Old 10th February 2021, 02:21 PM   #41
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
At least some Evangelicals seem to be turning away from politics - and maybe from the Republicans:
I have always found that Christianity should be more compatible with a Centre-Left stance than a Right-wing one. Heck Jesus talked about paying your taxes, about selling your possessions and giving the money to the poor, about having compassion for people, about meeting people where they were and helping them, to literally go out of your way to give people your time and efforts even when they were being horrid to you. In Acts we see the first Church living as a Socialistic society. Much of what the Right and Far Right expound is, to me, as anti-Christian as it can get.

Christians are also told to respect and obey their Governments, and the laws that those Governments put into place. Do you know what it doesn't tell us to do? Go forth and make the law of the land-based on God's laws and force everyone to live by Biblical Law. If anything it's exactly the opposite. Paul* writes in The Letter to the Romans...

Originally Posted by Romans 13
Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience.

6 This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God’s servants, who give their full time to governing. 7 Give to everyone what you owe them: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.
Actually to be honest most of the entire Letter to the Roman Church deals pretty well with the whole being under Law, Judging others, forcing the Law on others, and being obedient to the Government, including paying your debts and taxes!

Christians would be much better off kicking the Republican Party to the curb and doing what is right by their own scriptures than to continue to support what is nothing more than a party of idolators, hyprocrites, and lairs at this point.

But sadly, I have found that a lot of Christians will happily follow their Pastors through the Gates of Hell if that's where he's leading them, and doubly sadly, there are a lot of Pastors that are willing to do just that for their own wealth, glory, and power.



*If you accept that Paul actually existed and was the author of The Letter to the Roman Church.
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Old 10th February 2021, 02:30 PM   #42
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Originally Posted by dann View Post
At least some Evangelicals seem to be turning away from politics - and maybe from the Republicans:
Which way are they turning, though?
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Old 10th February 2021, 06:19 PM   #43
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
The idea of writing in and highlighting mine makes me shudder in horror.
It helps that it was a cheap NIV.
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Old 10th February 2021, 08:17 PM   #44
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
It helps that it was a cheap NIV.
ahh, mine is a not so cheap NIV study one, though I'm not sure I'd highlight it anyway. I always thought it was weird because over time you'd end up with the entire thing highlighted and then how would you know which bits were highlighted for what reasons.
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
ahh, mine is a not so cheap NIV study one, though I'm not sure I'd highlight it anyway. I always thought it was weird because over time you'd end up with the entire thing highlighted and then how would you know which bits were highlighted for what reasons.
I had a key on the inside cover.
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Old 24th February 2021, 09:43 PM   #46
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Credit where it's due:

Evangelical leaders condemn role of Christian nationalism in Capitol attack

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Pastors reject ‘perversion’ of Christian nationalism and say they do not want to be ‘quiet accomplices in this ongoing sin’


More than 100 prominent evangelical Christian pastors and church leaders have spoken out against what they call the “perversion” of Christian nationalism and the role it played in enabling the violent insurrection at the US Capitol in Washington on 6 January.

In an open letter released on Wednesday, the evangelical leaders say they are speaking out now because they do not want to be “quiet accomplices in this ongoing sin”.

They call on all church people to clarify that Christianity is incompatible with “calls to violence, support of white Christian nationalism, conspiracy theories, and all religious and racial prejudice”.

The letter, first reported by NPR, notes that the evangelical community in the US has long been susceptible to the “heresy” of Christian nationalism – the belief that the country is fundamentally Christian and run by and for white conservative Americans. The signatories blame that tendency on church leaders accommodating white supremacy over many years.
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Old 24th February 2021, 11:30 PM   #47
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
They should have realised this back in Reagan's day, or at least in 2015 before they joined Trump's team of gangsters.
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Old 25th February 2021, 05:30 PM   #48
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Originally Posted by Norman Alexander View Post
They should have realised this back in Reagan's day, or at least in 2015 before they joined Trump's team of gangsters.
I agree this is late, but at least it happened and that's a Good Thing.

Of course, all the magamobbers will just ignore it, but still.
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I think it's a good idea for people condemn the role of Christian Nationalism in the Capitol attack after Christian Nationalism has played a role in the Capitol attack. But please go ahead and let me know what event in 2026 the Evangelical leaders should be condemning now.
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I think it's a good idea for people condemn the role of Christian Nationalism in the Capitol attack after Christian Nationalism has played a role in the Capitol attack. But please go ahead and let me know what event in 2026 the Evangelical leaders should be condemning now.
Why? Do you think I have some kind of crystal ball in which I can see future events?

What a nonsensical request.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Why? Do you think I have some kind of crystal ball in which I can see future events?

What a nonsensical request.
Why yes, yes it is.
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Old 26th February 2021, 02:12 AM   #52
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Originally Posted by PhantomWolf View Post
I have always found that Christianity should be more compatible with a Centre-Left stance than a Right-wing one. Heck Jesus talked about paying your taxes, about selling your possessions and giving the money to the poor, about having compassion for people, about meeting people where they were and helping them, to literally go out of your way to give people your time and efforts even when they were being horrid to you. In Acts we see the first Church living as a Socialistic society. Much of what the Right and Far Right expound is, to me, as anti-Christian as it can get.
The twist, as it is, comes in Revelation where the governments of the world become the domain of Satan and everything for the faithful basely goes down the tubes. Read Jack Chick's "The Last Generation" for an insight to this mindset.

Matthew 10:34-35 is another example of this mindset:

"Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law." - KJV

Move over for nearly all of its existence Christianity has been very anti-democratic and anti free thought:

"Servants (slaves), be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ;" - Ephesians 6:5

The Skeptic's Annotated Bible shows there are som really dark passage in the Bible which Christianity has used to justify atrocities.

The satire tract The Good, The Bad, and the Fundy shows how Christianity is often twisted into into the near opposite of what people think it is.
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I think it's a good idea for people condemn the role of Christian Nationalism in the Capitol attack after Christian Nationalism has played a role in the Capitol attack. But please go ahead and let me know what event in 2026 the Evangelical leaders should be condemning now.
Yea purging the unbelievers is all meant to be peaceful ethnic cleansing after all in proper Christian nationalism I guess. So nothing anyone could possibly take issue with and decry. It is only when it becomes clear that it will be violent ethnic cleansing that it becomes clear that there is something to decry.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
Why? Do you think I have some kind of crystal ball in which I can see future events?

What a nonsensical request.
The idea was that how could they have known christian nationalism could be violent before the capital insurrection. Of course it is trivially obvious to show why no one should have been surprised at the connections here. But sphenisc is trying to obfuscate that.
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