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19th November 2011, 12:25 AM | #1 |
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The plans of God
God's power is such that whatever He has decided to do, that is what will be done. God tells us that He has designed a plan that will be implemented because no one (not man nor angel) has the power to thwart or withstand His purpose.
If God truly is all powerful, and if He has a definite plan for mankind, then nothing happens outside the scope of that plan. Logically this means that He is the author of everything that happens, both good and bad. Numerous Scriptures confirm this to be the case:
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19th November 2011, 12:45 AM | #2 |
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Even if it was undeniably proven that there was a critter out there that we could call "God" I would not let -- whatever his plans for me might be -- have any effect whatsoever upon my own actions. I have my own agenda. Call me willful and selfish if you like but might still does not make right and I prefer to do my own thinking, regardless of the powers that be.
That said, There is no God (although there is a doG... several, actually). |
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Has god's plan been given the thumbs up by L Ron Hubbard?
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If it's all decided, then there's obviously no such thing as free will, plus it ruins watching sports.
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19th November 2011, 02:11 AM | #8 |
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I like George Carlin's take on this particular bit of fluff. (a tiny fragment of a much longer, and very much worth the effort of reading transcript from here.)
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So are you preaching on behalf of a god who promotes evil? This is not what I was taught in Sunday school!
It seems that the Lord's Prayer is now inaccurate. If Edge's god promotes evil bad things, why should "deliver us from evil" be included in the script. Perhaps we should rename it Edge's Prayer, and change that bit to "and deliver us evil". |
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But God gave man Free WillTM, therefore He does not know for sure what Man will do! Perhaps He does have a definite plan - but things can happen which are not part of it.
"And the LORD God commanded the man, You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil"God can ask us to follow His commands, but He cannot enforce them. We can thwart His plans! "Then the man and his wife heard the sound of the LORD God as he was walking in the garden in the cool of the day, and they hid from the LORD God among the trees of the garden.God doesn't always know what we will do. How can it be that 'nothing happens outside the scope of' His plan, if He doesn't know what we will do? "And the LORD God said, The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live for ever.Because we have Free WillTM and can do what we please, God must change His plans! |
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Omnipotent God paradox unresolvable
This touches on the basic paradox of omnipotence. Sometimes your hear "If God can do anything, can he make a rock so heavy that he can't lift it?" Silly, but just as silly an paradoxical is the Christian claim that their omnipotent God can make Man so autonomous that God cannot predict what Man will do. I don't know how a thinking person can believe this nonsense.
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19th November 2011, 02:52 AM | #13 |
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Know god, no peace.
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So there is no freewill? Or do humans have freewill just because? Why does God punish Adam and Eve for doing something he knew they would do?
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How do you know?
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I find it an odd form of behavior that God only reveals these deep truths to people like Edge and Epix, but doesn't say a word to the rest of us.
And then condemns us (according to His mouthpieces) because we don't believe He exists. Truly He becomes annoyed in mysterious ways. Seems that whatever annoys His mouthpieces, annoys Him. It's as if He is the puppet of His mouthpieces. |
19th November 2011, 08:34 AM | #19 |
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So why did god's plan involve flooding the whole world? Is that like an eraser? Why does god's plan involve the mass starvation of children?
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19th November 2011, 08:45 AM | #20 |
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If he's as powerful as you say, you should be able to provide some evidence that he's done some...um, powerful stuff. What exactly has he done, edge?
And no cheating; you have to show solid proof that your particular god was directly involved. You can't point to a forest and say, "well, for instance, my god knocked down that tree right there." because I could just as easily claim that my imaginary friend Susie did it. If that's too difficult, then maybe you could just tell him what plan he has for me, and I'll see if I'm able to thwart it. |
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God has to be the most bored entity in the universe. To have always exist and to know beforehand exactly whats going to happen would bore me to death. Why worship this thing? In fact if all situations were created by Mr. god thingie then we are just puppets on a string with no free will. If god comes in shares you can definitely have mine. God made me say that edge.
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"Surely Mohammed, your Allah seems to hasten to do your will"
Loose paraphrase of a Quran verse. Joe Smiths' god often mentioned him by name and gave him special privileges. You'd almost think these guys were making it up to please themselves. In fact, when you think about it god agrees with all believers even when their beliefs are contradictory. |
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On the other hand, if God is simply a construct of human imagination, then there is no plan.
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What's the best argument for UHC? This argument against UHC. "Perhaps one reason per capita GDP is lower in UHC countries is because they've tried to prevent this important function [bankrupting the sick] and thus carry forward considerable economic dead wood?"-BeAChooser |
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God?
Never heard of that. Can I get one on Youtube? Or amazon? I would like to have an apparatus to guide my decisions. |
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Edge, If the Devil were to plan a fate for human kind while also trying to confuse and deceive us....in what way would it differ from the one we have now? If the Devil were to write books that would DECEIVE humans and cause CHAOS and STRIFE....in what way would they differ from the ones we have now? Can I deduce from your post that you do NOT believe there is a Devil. Any EVIL there is in the world is actually GOD himself doing it? He has full control over what occurs and what happens and thus any evil is either part of his plan or is his doing? Right? God is the Devil…right?Or as Epix might put it God is 1 and 2 and the Devil is 2 so he is also 1 and all three make 4 and when you add Jesus and the holy spook we have 9 and there is nothing between them except 6. |
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Utter garbage..
There are no gods, so there are no "plans of god". Quit talking about vapid nonsense. |
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This thread and all of it's responses are part of God's plan.
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The Plans of Santa: this year, I'm getting that pony, damn it!
The Plans of the Tooth Fairy: The elimination of HFCS to insure a better quality of baby tooth. The Plans of the Easter Bunny: Brightly rainbow-colored chickens will evolve to lay colored eggs. Have you any idea how difficult it is to get magenta dye out of white fur? |
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God doesn't have plans, it goes against his whole chaotic evil nature.
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