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20th November 2011, 12:26 PM | #81 |
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Today i'm gonna watch some more football, take a nap, study for a psychology exam, go to a show, and get drunk, in accordance with God's plan.
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Which would make the Baby Jesus cry. (I'm guessing He bet Denver against the Jets ...)
Edge, here's a mental puzzle for you. One model/explanation of God holds Him to be omnipresent. (Was, is, shall be). Any being who is beyond time as you and I experience it probably doesn't need to plan, since a plan is how you deal with the future. God in the above model has no need to consider the future. Perhaps your idea is that we more limited beings need a plan, which He doesn't. As a few above have noted, this leads pretty frequently into predestination: what's the point of predestination, beyond an excuse not to make a decision? Your life is the record of the choices you make, and also about choices others make that influence you. I didn't get drunk, which given how the Cowboys played today is a win for me. Saw a show last night, and walked out at intermission. I wonder what tomorrow will bring? |
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i would belief you if there was any shred of evidence supporting the existense of any god.
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21st November 2011, 04:09 AM | #89 |
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God's plans are as effective as the the plans of Thor and the nine billion other non-existent gods that people have believed in. God does not exist, therefore his plans do not exist. QED.
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edge, everytime your so-called god of the bible has done anything, not once has it been shown that he knows anything about the furture, let along wjat humans will do.
He is worthless, end of story. If you need a god, get a good one next time. There is nothing in the bible that says he is the only one. Paul |
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I've been to the other side.
When did he tell us? Since the beginning of history B.C. to 2000 or more A.D. People even today are experiencing God, and Jesus. Darth says;
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The plan is to unveil itsself so that in such a way we may recognize it is his plan through prophesies. Only prophets are truly predestined, they have no choice but to do Gods will. We still have a choice, and in that way most of us have freewill at the moment, and the predestination is to execute the plan of salvation for us all. Yes there will be a record of your life that also is about choices we all make, freewill. If one is a prophet then you are in agreement with God and made that choice using freewill to further his ultimate plan of grace and salvation. They usually have prophesies to confirm a part of the plan that is a small part of proof that bolsters faith. To be omniscience (infinite knowledge), omnipotence (unlimited power), omnipresence (present everywhere), ... means to be everywhere or where you want to be, covering all bases, so all can be saved. Who else could do this but God as discribed in the bible? Mr. Scott says:
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Because it hasn't to you, you need what, DNA? Sorry no can do. Paul says:
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Multivac, what are those other gods plans? You're just whistling out your rear. Paul put that bottle down. Not only is He fully acquainted with all of the present facts, He also prophesied the future, including the death of His Son (Isa.. 53).
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http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...53&version=ESV Don't be afraid! The prophesies of God did not stop with the sacrifice of Christ on the cross; He has also foretold the return of Christ at the end of this age when death will be finally overcome.
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So, essentially, god is like Baldrick from Blackadder wth a cunning plan that never quite works out the way he planned...
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No gods, no plans.
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For our money "IN WHICH GOD DO YOU TRUST" Much worse than the Question not asked, is the Answer not Given Don't accept an answer that can't be questioned - God is Surperfluous A society fails when ignorance outweighs knowledge Science doesn’t know everything, but religion doesn’t know anything Life is so horrent and also so beautiful, but without it there is nothing |
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He's a real Nowhere Man
Living in His nowhere land Making all His nowhere plans For nobody |
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You are going to love my contribution then.
Here, you are touching on that biblical paradox that must never be mentioned: Is God love or does God put people in hell (the ULTIMATE act of hatred)? If you say, "both" then you do not have the same definition of love given in 1 Corinthians 13. There may be some passages in the bible that support your claim (surprise surprise) but 2 Corinthians 6:14-16 isn't one of them: [14]Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? |
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I have never received a memo, letter, postcard, email, fax or text from god or any of his assistants.
The bible is a work of fiction written by bronze-age goat herders. Unfortunately, due to transcription errors, the first page of the bible is missing which is a shame as the authors dedicate the book to their wives and children who put up with them while they wrote it. The editor is also mentioned. Thor was too busy playing with his hammer to bother writing a plan. Sorry, but I can't whistle at all, not even out of my rear. Gas sometimes escapes from my rear but nobody has ever referred to it as whistling. And, 2000 years later, this still hasn't happened. Why? Wasn't JC supposed to return within the lifetime of his disciples? |
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Edge, why did it take your so-called god so long to show up, man in his present form has been around for tens of thousands of years.
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For our money "IN WHICH GOD DO YOU TRUST" Much worse than the Question not asked, is the Answer not Given Don't accept an answer that can't be questioned - God is Surperfluous A society fails when ignorance outweighs knowledge Science doesn’t know everything, but religion doesn’t know anything Life is so horrent and also so beautiful, but without it there is nothing |
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In yellow, totally wrong.
Why is it, that skeptics always use this? You need to study your history, ask Piggy what they knew back then and you'll see is, they were somewhat as sophisticated as we are today, look at what they built. Are there goat herders today? Are they stupid? No education? Come on! These others have no plan then? Empty are they? My bolding: He did come back, according to what is written and that was witnessed by many people. He basically in the physical showed us what would happen after death, and when he said, "you will see me coming back in the clouds," this is what is reported by many people who have died and come back to life to re-report it to us as a conformation. None of this was in place till the father accomplished the plan that Jesus was able to give us. The resurrection of humans was not in place till after the assentation of Christ. Now if you are talking about a physical return that also was promised. All of us will see what is there, on the other side. That is also part of the plan. It's to be a surprise. I'm going to add this link to because I don't have much time but read this and all of that thread as I have to go to class. I understand because knowing the real truth is a scary process. http://www.internationalskeptics.com...72#post7779672 |
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"God's Plan" animation
Sometimes, animations can purify and expose the truth of the matter. Here's a good portrayal of "God's Plan" by DarkMatter2525:
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Tell it to this bloke
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...d.php?t=212889 You do know what happens to folk who tell fibs, don't you? |
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I was going to plan a trip for winter break, but now i don't have to bother, knowing GOd's got it all planned out for me. I wonder if he'll print me out an itinerary?
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I've verified for myself that the Divine, whatever it is, is real. As for the plans of the Divine, I think they are difficult for us to wrap our heads around because the Divine uses both causality and retro-causality to bring itself about in both the past and the future (alpha and omega). The plan of the Divine is to be.
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"Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: "I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god." "I am the LORD, and there is no other, besides me there is no God; I equip you, though you do not know me, that people may know, from the rising of the sun and from the west, that there is none besides me; I am the LORD, and there is no other. I form light and create darkness, I make well-being and create calamity, I am the LORD, who does all these things." "For thus says the LORD, who created the heavens (he is God!), who formed the earth and made it (he established it; he did not create it empty, he formed it to be inhabited!): "I am the LORD, and there is no other. I did not speak in secret, in a land of darkness; I did not say to the offspring of Jacob, 'Seek me in vain.' I the LORD speak the truth; I declare what is right. "Assemble yourselves and come; draw near together, you survivors of the nations! They have no knowledge who carry about their wooden idols, and keep on praying to a god that cannot save. Declare and present your case; let them take counsel together! Who told this long ago? Who declared it of old? Was it not I, the LORD? And there is no other god besides me, a righteous God and a Savior; there is none besides me. "Turn to me and be saved, all the ends of the earth! For I am God, and there is no other." "Remember the former things of old: for I am God, and there is none else; I am God, and there is none like me, declaring the end from the beginning, and from ancient times the things that are not yet done, saying, My counsel shall stand, and I will do all my pleasure:" |
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