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Old 28th December 2018, 01:57 PM   #201
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Originally Posted by Vixen View Post
Shortly after the drone incident, just over 50% of the shares of Gatwick Aiirport were bought by French company, in effect, giving it control of the Airport (majority shareholder).

Obviously there would have been ongoing discussions.

But, coincidence?

If one was a conspiracy theorist you could suggest perhaps the French were to blame for the disruption, in a dastardly plan to bring the share price right down and thus, the cost of the shares.

Just sayin'.
I couldn't find a graph of the share price across the time of the incident, but seriously (if you are), such a thing should not affect it appreciably. Any airport can suffer a freak incident, and drones could happen anywhere.

So, no, I think not.

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Old 28th December 2018, 03:39 PM   #202
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Did the share prices come down over the period of the 'drone scare' and the share purchase?
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Old 29th December 2018, 03:57 AM   #203
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Gatwick Airport Limited isn't listed on any stock exchanges, it's a private limited company.
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Old 29th December 2018, 10:36 AM   #204
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Did the share prices come down over the period of the 'drone scare' and the share purchase?

Vinci Airports didn't just wake up one morning and go "Hey! Gatwick shares are down 'cause of the drone scare. Let's snap up 2.9bn worth.


They have no doubt been in negotiation with GIP (the seller) for a while, and I expect share prices had been agreed on before the drone scare, since the deal was closed in such a short time after it occurred. I expect that the timing was a coincidence. Vinci Airports is inheriting the problem, not profiting from it.

Brexit, however, certainly contributed to sweetening the share price.
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Old 29th December 2018, 11:09 AM   #205
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Police say some of the reported drone sightings were of their own drones looking for the mystery drone operators.
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Old 29th December 2018, 11:38 AM   #206
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Originally Posted by Captain_Swoop View Post
Or the police have done their usual 'arrest the first person we can think of' routine.
Yep.
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Old 29th December 2018, 12:32 PM   #207
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Following a confirmed photograph of the intruder in to Gatwick airspace

new measures are introduced.
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Old 30th December 2018, 08:08 AM   #208
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There were reports of it coming back at fairly regular intervals, weren't there? If it does turn out not to have existed it's a fascinating (and somewhat worrying) insight into group hysteria
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I would point out that IMO there are four - and only four - aspects of this whole incident which warrant justifiable criticism:

1) The apparent failure of Government and Parliament to make it a much more serious criminal offence to fly drones in airport airspace,
I take issue with this point. Flying a drone within 1km of an airport in Britain is a criminal offence and carries maximum term of five years in prison. I think it's already pretty serious.
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Old 3rd January 2019, 10:43 AM   #210
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Following a confirmed photograph of the intruder in to Gatwick airspace
https://i.pinimg.com/564x/89/fd/7b/8...4ecbeaa653.jpg
new measures are introduced.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/47/4c...c7d4e2d6c2.jpg
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Old 8th January 2019, 11:28 AM   #211
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And another drone closure this time at Heathrow. Although only for an hour or so:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46803713
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BBC report

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The Metropolitan Police said they received reports of a drone sighting near Heathrow at about 17:05 GMT.

Before the confirmation flights had resumed, Transport Secretary Chris Grayling said he was in contact with the airport about the drone sighting, and had spoken to the home secretary and defence secretary.

BBC cameraman Martin Roberts said he was driving on the M25 past Heathrow airport at about 17:45 GMT when he saw what he believes was a drone.

"I could see, I'd say around 300 feet up, very bright, stationary flashing red and green lights, over the Harmondsworth area," he said.

"I could tell it was a drone - these things have got quite distinctive lights - not a helicopter.

"The lights were very close together. It was a very clear night and the object was stationary, it was turning very, very slightly. I could see it very clearly, I'd say for about four to five minutes."

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46803713
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Old 8th January 2019, 03:09 PM   #214
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Very odd.

I would have thought that the red and green lights would be the port and starboard lights on a general aviation aircraft rather than a drone.
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Various statements from the Met Police on the incident

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Police officers were amongst those who saw the drone and a full criminal investigation has been launched. We are carrying out extensive searches around the Heathrow area to identify any people who may be responsible
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We are deploying significant resources - both in terms of officers and equipment - to monitor the airspace around Heathrow and to quickly detect and disrupt any illegal drone activity
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Following today's sighting, military assistance has been implemented to support us.
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Our priority is to ensure that there is no ongoing threat to the safety of those at the airport and identify those responsible for this dangerous act.
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My faith in the ability of an aviation layman to accurately judge the size, altitude, distance, and speed of an aircraft near an airport at dusk is very very limited.
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My faith in the ability of an aviation layman to accurately judge the size, altitude, distance, and speed of an aircraft near an airport at dusk is very very limited.
I agree.

Something I've noticed here (I'm very close to an airport).

Often when a helicopter is coming in to land, the tower asks the pilot to hold position to let someone else take priority. Unfortunately the place where they ask the choppers to hold, is almost directly above my house.

If I'm home, I'll often step outside to have a look, because they are pretty close to the ground at this stage (say 500 - 1000 metres).

One day, the pilot was bored, or perhaps giving the passengers a look around while he was waiting, the chopper was slowly rotating on the spot while hanging up there in the sky...



I've asked a couple of pilots about this, and they muttered things about ATCs "taking liberties" "because they can".
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Old 10th January 2019, 05:35 PM   #219
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All major UK airports now have or will soon have military grade anti-drone equipment, the government says.

It comes after the military were called in to help when drone sightings caused delays for around an hour at Heathrow on Tuesday.

Earlier, the defence secretary said it would "not be right" to ask the RAF to respond to similar incidents in future.


https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46827542
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Old 10th January 2019, 06:04 PM   #220
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Very odd.

I would have thought that the red and green lights would be the port and starboard lights on a general aviation aircraft rather than a drone.
One would think; but it also doesn't seem likely that a GA aircraft could hold position in the sky for 5 minutes.
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One would think; but it also doesn't seem likely that a GA aircraft could hold position in the sky for 5 minutes.

Maybe it was being suspended in the air by a bunch of drones.
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Old 10th January 2019, 08:27 PM   #222
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What I find odd...

Companies that make good drones - say, DJI - have maps built into their software that will alert you, or simply refuse to fly at all, if you're anywhere near a no-drone zone. There are problems, in that local communities will often come up with strange restrictions, like "You need a permit to fly in this particular park", and the like - and of course, no flying a large drone directly over some disaster areas. But would it be possible to simply mandate that the manufacturer restrict flights within, say, 5 miles of an airport (and for us US folks, within DC airspace - I assume other countries may have other such restrictions that simply will not change in the foreseeable future)? Yes, there is older tech, and if you use it, it's on you to know what you're doing - but at some level of size/sophistication, isn't it on the manufacturer to ensure that everything goes well?

Yes, there will be some issues caused, but, as a drone flyer, I think safety takes priority over ease of use...
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One would think; but it also doesn't seem likely that a GA aircraft could hold position in the sky for 5 minutes.
Oh? Don't you count helicopters as part of general aviation?
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Thought I'd bump this thread as there's a bit more news on this and apparently the police are now claiming they are certain there were actual drones so there is at least that:

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Sussex Police, the government and Gatwick airport say that the severe travel disruption last year was caused by a "sustained" drone attack...

The airport says there were well over 100 drone sightings over three days. The majority of those sightings were made by police officers or airport workers.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47302902

They still don't have a clue who did it though.
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Old 26th February 2019, 07:41 PM   #225
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A couple of Barret Sniping Rifles would solve the problem of Drone's entering restricted spaces.
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A couple of Barret Sniping Rifles would solve the problem of Drone's entering restricted spaces.
Maybe in video games.
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I believe that there are a number of specific reasons why just shooting the drones down isn't a viable option.
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I believe that there are a number of specific reasons why just shooting the drones down isn't a viable option.
A number? Well, spent bullets fired over a populated area are the only issue I can see. Howsomever (said the gunsmith's little boy), there are more immediate problems, such as hitting the damn things. A Barrett is not the right tool; they aren't sniper rifles in terms of accuracy, and besides a .50 Browning bullet is gross overkill for anything much smaller than a Predator, and the present case doesn't involve those.

The problem is intriguing as a purely tactical one. I'd propose two different approaches: 1) electronic, i.e., jamming/capturing the control channel, and 2) attack drones. Naturally (said the guy brought up shooting his meat), I find the second more intriguing.

Imagine battling drone pilots thousands of miles apart, foreheads beaded with sweat, dodging and diving on their screens as the baddie (a swarthy ethnic) tries to bring down the President of the Good Guys' plane! His wounded opponent, the Hero of Mom 'n Apple Pie, struggles against all odds to defeat the swarthy drone! Because his sweetheart, Sweaty Singlet Girl, IS ABOARD THAT PLANE!

It could go on for a whole franchise.
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I know little about consumer drones but I would bet that some of these can be hacked to switch channels, or to ignore warnings when they are near restricted air space. Some 12 year old kid probably wrote a few scripts and stuck em on github.

You can build your own drones or RC planes and add guidance systems, etc. Even my new action cam has downloadable hacks to make the camera better. Can't wait for autonomous cars, whoopeee!!!!
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Thought I'd bump this thread as there's a bit more news on this and apparently the police are now claiming they are certain there were actual drones so there is at least that:



https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-47302902

They still don't have a clue who did it though.
I heard somewhere police believe the culprit may have been a disgruntled insider (employee/subcontractor).
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A number? Well, spent bullets fired over a populated area are the only issue I can see. Howsomever (said the gunsmith's little boy), there are more immediate problems, such as hitting the damn things. A Barrett is not the right tool; they aren't sniper rifles in terms of accuracy, and besides a .50 Browning bullet is gross overkill for anything much smaller than a Predator, and the present case doesn't involve those.

The problem is intriguing as a purely tactical one. I'd propose two different approaches: 1) electronic, i.e., jamming/capturing the control channel, and 2) attack drones. Naturally (said the guy brought up shooting his meat), I find the second more intriguing.

Imagine battling drone pilots thousands of miles apart, foreheads beaded with sweat, dodging and diving on their screens as the baddie (a swarthy ethnic) tries to bring down the President of the Good Guys' plane! His wounded opponent, the Hero of Mom 'n Apple Pie, struggles against all odds to defeat the swarthy drone! Because his sweetheart, Sweaty Singlet Girl, IS ABOARD THAT PLANE!

It could go on for a whole franchise.

I'm kind of taken aback that this is still an issue. Really, you don't need smokeless powder or such firearms to deal with drones. CO2 airguns would work just fine.

Seriously, basically having a drone with a rapid-fire automatic bb/pellet/paintball gun fly past and unload a single burst would be more than enough to ground another drone.

Or just get a bunch of the new AK drones that kamikaze.
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A number? Well, spent bullets fired over a populated area are the only issue I can see. Howsomever (said the gunsmith's little boy), there are more immediate problems, such as hitting the damn things. A Barrett is not the right tool; they aren't sniper rifles in terms of accuracy, and besides a .50 Browning bullet is gross overkill for anything much smaller than a Predator, and the present case doesn't involve those.

The problem is intriguing as a purely tactical one. I'd propose two different approaches: 1) electronic, i.e., jamming/capturing the control channel, and 2) attack drones. Naturally (said the guy brought up shooting his meat), I find the second more intriguing.

Imagine battling drone pilots thousands of miles apart, foreheads beaded with sweat, dodging and diving on their screens as the baddie (a swarthy ethnic) tries to bring down the President of the Good Guys' plane! His wounded opponent, the Hero of Mom 'n Apple Pie, struggles against all odds to defeat the swarthy drone! Because his sweetheart, Sweaty Singlet Girl, IS ABOARD THAT PLANE!

It could go on for a whole franchise.
Attack drones, using nets or rams have been trialled. Probably the best option.
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