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Old 20th December 2018, 04:38 AM   #1
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Attack of the Drones

Thought I'd post a thread about this as it's currently on-going and apparently a growing problem for airports around the world. Anyway Gatwick Airport, London's second airport, is currently shut due to some tosser flying a drone in it's airspace for the past 12 or so hours. There's lots of complaints from passengers saying the authorities should be doing something about it but I'm at a loss as to what they can do.

Here's a link to the coverage (mainly chosen as the headline of "police still trying to catch drones after flights cancelled Ė live" brings to mind a load of cops chasing after the drone with butterfly nets):

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...n-live-updates
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Old 20th December 2018, 05:19 AM   #2
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I shudder to think how much havoc could be wreaked by a few dozen determined activists (of whatever kind) with a well-coordinated drone campaign.
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Old 20th December 2018, 06:13 AM   #3
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Yes I'm surprised no protestors have done it before now
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Old 20th December 2018, 06:19 AM   #4
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still better than the people using lasers to try to blind pilots during landing or takeoff.
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Old 20th December 2018, 07:13 AM   #5
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There is a firm marketing “anti-drone” shotgun shells....
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Old 20th December 2018, 07:27 AM   #6
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There is a firm marketing “anti-drone” shotgun shells....
Apparent the local police have decided against shooting the drone/s* (it's been reported that there were at least two) down, due to worries about where stray bullets might end up.

*Drscribed as "industrial specification," so not just some kids with early Xmas presents.

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Originally Posted by Information Analyst View Post
Apparent the local police have decided against shooting the drone/s* (it's been reported that there were at least two) down, due to worries about where stray bullets might end up.

*Drscribed as "industrial specification," so not just some kids with early Xmas presents.
Shotgun pellets would be the answer. They're low velocity to begin with, and low terminal velocity for any individual shot pellet. By the time they come down, it's no worse than having a BB dropped on you.
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Old 20th December 2018, 07:51 AM   #8
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Shotgun pellets would be the answer. They're low velocity to begin with, and low terminal velocity for any individual shot pellet. By the time they come down, it's no worse than having a BB dropped on you.
I would suspect that range would be the problem. If a drone was close enough to be brought down by a shotgun, it could probably be more safely targeted with a rifle without missing.
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Old 20th December 2018, 07:53 AM   #9
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Seems like a drone could be designed to take down other drones. Partly manual control and partly automated.

A guy using a gun of some sort might be challenged getting close enough and especially if the offender knows about that kind of defense.
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Old 20th December 2018, 08:03 AM   #10
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Bearing in mid that our cops aren't routinely armed, it would need the special armed cop lot to try. And I doubt shooting randomly over built up areas would be approved.
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I would suspect that range would be the problem. If a drone was close enough to be brought down by a shotgun, it could probably be more safely targeted with a rifle without missing.
Shotguns are commonly used for bird hunting. They have reach...of course, I don't know how high up these were flying.

The rifle is a danger when the bullet comes down, and even if fired at even a small upwards angle can go a loooong way.

And drones aren't exactly hard targets. Any rifle larger than a .22 is probably going to go through, and the bullet has to land somewhere.
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Old 20th December 2018, 08:06 AM   #12
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Bearing in mid that our cops aren't routinely armed, it would need the special armed cop lot to try. And I doubt shooting randomly over built up areas would be approved.
Yeah, true. But they're shutting down a freaking airport...I'd think judicious shotgun usage would be okay
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We had a thread a year or two ago about combatants in Syria using the little quadcopter drones to drop grenades or modified mortar rounds onto enely positions. There are also lots of videos of people using them to drop water balloons on friends or targets or such.

I wonder if they just need a police-operated drone that just dangles a length of fishing line underneath, with a small weight to keep it hanging down. Just fly over the un-authorized drone and tangle it in the line.
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Originally Posted by crescent View Post
We had a thread a year or two ago about combatants in Syria using the little quadcopter drones to drop grenades or modified mortar rounds onto enely positions. There are also lots of videos of people using them to drop water balloons on friends or targets or such.

I wonder if they just need a police-operated drone that just dangles a length of fishing line underneath, with a small weight to keep it hanging down. Just fly over the un-authorized drone and tangle it in the line.
There's an idea for a purpose-made solution. I was thinking of more what you could do quick with something that might be (more) readily available.
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Old 20th December 2018, 08:17 AM   #15
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I wonder if they just need a police-operated drone that just dangles a length of fishing line underneath, with a small weight to keep it hanging down. Just fly over the un-authorized drone and tangle it in the line.
Or a pair of drones with a weighted net.

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In the Netherlands, they have trained eagles to catch drones - but close to an airport, that might be a bit risky.
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The only way to stop a bad guy with a drone is a good guy with a drone.
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I shudder to think how much havoc could be wreaked by a few dozen determined activists (of whatever kind) [...]
... or, indeed, anyone who's just one drone short of a full set of bagpipes.

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Originally Posted by Dave Rogers View Post
Or a pair of drones with a weighted net.

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The Japanese have tried that.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/technolo...-other-drones/


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In the Netherlands, they have trained eagles to catch drones - but close to an airport, that might be a bit risky.
That project failed, apparently.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/12/12/...s-rogue-drones
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The only way to stop a bad guy with a drone is a good guy with a drone.
A good guy with a jammer is probably sufficient. Though mounting the jammer on a drone and having it patrol the boundaries of the airspace might be the best approach. I'd want to look into ground stations and towers as well.

The military is already working on anti-drone countermeasures. There are already prototype anti-drone jamming guns on the civilian market.

I predict that in a few years, the UK will be leading the way in deploying military countermeasures as part of their airport security.
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Hey, anyone remember that anti-mosquito laser? The photonic fence, IIRC?

Maybe that could be adapted for drones
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How good would a drone with a net attached to it be at catching a drone without a net attached to it?

I'm assuming here that the one with the net will be both less manouevrable and slower (by some margin) than the one without.
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Sussex police have now requested support from the military...

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Armed forces 'always' ready to help, says defence secretary

Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson has said the armed forces are "always" ready to help the police and will do everything they can to ensure Gatwick opens again as soon as possible.

"Sussex Police have requested assistance and support from the armed forces and we will be deploying the armed forces to give them the help that they need to be able to deal with the situation of the drones at Gatwick Airport," Mr Williamson said.

"It goes to demonstrate how our armed forces are always there ready to support the civilian authorities."

When asked how the armed forces would assist, Mr Williamson responded: "Sadly at this moment it's not something we can actually reveal but the armed forces have a range of unique capabilities and this isn't something we would usually deploy but we are there to assist and do everything we can so that they are in a position to open the airport at the earliest opportunity."

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Birds of prey would probably try to attack the planes, too. 'Drones stand no chance' as WA's birds of prey defend their skies (WAtoday, March 24, 2018)
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How good would a drone with a net attached to it be at catching a drone without a net attached to it?

I'm assuming here that the one with the net will be both less manouevrable and slower (by some margin) than the one without.
The net could be contained and then dropped or launched.
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Sussex police have now requested support from the military...



[BBC News]



Armed forces 'always' ready to help, says defence secretary



Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson has said the armed forces are "always" ready to help the police and will do everything they can to ensure Gatwick opens again as soon as possible.



"Sussex Police have requested assistance and support from the armed forces and we will be deploying the armed forces to give them the help that they need to be able to deal with the situation of the drones at Gatwick Airport," Mr Williamson said.



"It goes to demonstrate how our armed forces are always there ready to support the civilian authorities."



When asked how the armed forces would assist, Mr Williamson responded: "Sadly at this moment it's not something we can actually reveal but the armed forces have a range of unique capabilities and this isn't something we would usually deploy but we are there to assist and do everything we can so that they are in a position to open the airport at the earliest opportunity."
Looks like I called it.
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Taking down a drone with another drone is theoretically possible. It looks great fun too.

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Every airport should have powerful cannons that shoot spheres of ice. That way they could smash drones and unwelcome planes from the sky, but leave no litter behind when the projectile melts.
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There are ECM drone 'killers' available.
Here is an example the 'DroneDefender'

https://www.battelle.org/government-.../dronedefender

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A friend in London was planning to fly to France today to spend Christmas with her family. She mentioned online that after an hour and a half delay, her flight was cancelled, and she was on her way to another airport. I'm guessing she was at Gatwick.
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Helicopter - Door shotgunner.

A shotgun is the ideal choice for downing the drones, imo.

If they are low enough, from the ground with a 10 gauge duck gun.

Higher up, use the helicopter and door gunner.
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Helicopter - Door shotgunner.

A shotgun is the ideal choice for downing the drones, imo.

If they are low enough, from the ground with a 10 gauge duck gun.

Higher up, use the helicopter and door gunner.
Focused jamming seems like a much better idea than blazing away with shotguns.
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Focused jamming seems like a much better idea than blazing away with shotguns.
Shotguns still seem ideal to me.

The birdshot quickly becomes non-lethal, and you can use non-lead pellets for the environment.
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Yes I'm surprised no protestors have done it before now
Because they require an investment in time and money, and also because you would place the drone at risk every time you deployed it, is why they would be unattractive to the typical protestor.
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Shotguns still seem ideal to me.
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Because they require an investment in time and money, and also because you would place the drone at risk every time you deployed it, is why they would be unattractive to the typical protestor.
The time cost is obviously there but the price of drones seem not excessive for the return in publicity any action could get. The shut down in Gatwick has dominated UK news today unlike the other recent airport protests
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Shotguns still seem ideal to me.

The birdshot quickly becomes non-lethal, and you can use non-lead pellets for the environment.
Jammer doesn't need a helicopter, nor precision aiming.
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