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Old 31st December 2018, 11:50 AM   #1
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Selling used games to Gamestop while Transgender

Haven't seen a thread for this one yet, so might as well.


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A transgender woman launched a furious four-letter tirade and threatened a shop worker after being called "sir" instead of "ma'am".

The customer flew into a rage when she was 'misgendered' at a GameStop store in Albuquerque, New Mexico.
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Old 31st December 2018, 12:21 PM   #2
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Having seen the video earlier today the problem I have, in complete honesty, is this assertion

"...... stop calling me a man, because quite clearly I am not."
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Old 31st December 2018, 01:07 PM   #3
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Having seen the video earlier today the problem I have, in complete honesty, is this assertion

"...... stop calling me a man, because quite clearly I am not."
and 'step outside I'll show you what a man is'. lmao
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Old 31st December 2018, 01:26 PM   #4
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He definitely shouldn't have called him 'sir'. That's a ******* man, though.
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Old 31st December 2018, 01:28 PM   #5
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He definitely shouldn't have called him 'sir'. That's a ******* man, though.
Just call people whatever they want or nothing at all.
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Old 31st December 2018, 02:24 PM   #6
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Start acting like a lady and I'll treat you like one!

How should one know how to address someone? If someone calls you sir and you're trying to look like a woman, that's entirely your fault haha. Work on your wardrobe perhaps?

Not sure what the point of the thread is. Someone behaved badly. Do I feel he/she was mistreated? Of course not, not that I saw. He should probably be arrested.

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Honestly, I'd kind of like to see this, and the vape shop thread merged, then we could have a competition on which trigger happy snowflake maega meltdown does it better.
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Old 31st December 2018, 02:49 PM   #8
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Originally Posted by BobTheCoward View Post
Just call people whatever they want or nothing at all.
This topic has actually had a bit of impact on my work. A person called in, this person sounded male, so my colleague addressed him as sir. This person took offence at that and is now in the process of litigation. As a result, the staff have to undergo "gender training", problem is management cant agree on a gender neutral pronoun.

How are you supposed to guess what someone wants to identify as from a phone call? Or if you see someone and they look like a man, sound like a man, are you really in the wrong if you address them as a man?
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Old 31st December 2018, 04:56 PM   #9
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Originally Posted by mgidm86 View Post
Start acting like a lady and I'll treat you like one!

How should one know how to address someone? If someone calls you sir and you're trying to look like a woman, that's entirely your fault haha. Work on your wardrobe perhaps?

Not sure what the point of the thread is. Someone behaved badly. Do I feel he/she was mistreated? Of course not, not that I saw. He should probably be arrested.

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I'd lay money this wouldn't have even happened had the store clerk been the same size as this dude and not some smallish kid.
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Old 31st December 2018, 06:06 PM   #10
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When I meet someone I'll almost always ask how to spell the name and usually how they wish to be addressed. It eliminates some of these conflicts I think. At one time I worked with a self made woman but it was not very convincing so it turns out asking was a good idea.

None the less sometimes you would have be psychic to know and you can't always please everyone even if you try.
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Old 31st December 2018, 06:22 PM   #11
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Originally Posted by MEequalsIxR View Post
When I meet someone I'll almost always ask how to spell the name and usually how they wish to be addressed. It eliminates some of these conflicts I think. At one time I worked with a self made woman but it was not very convincing so it turns out asking was a good idea.

None the less sometimes you would have be psychic to know and you can't always please everyone even if you try.
Instead of saying X followed by sir or Ma'am, just say X nicely
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Old 31st December 2018, 08:05 PM   #12
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Did he really fly off the handle over a "sir"? I wonder if there was some back story edited from the video?
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Old 31st December 2018, 09:55 PM   #13
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Is anyone really believing that this person is a true transgender? I don't believe it for a second.
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Is anyone really believing that this person is a true transgender? I don't believe it for a second.
Kind of the reason I haven't commented on it.

It just screams contrived/fake set up.

Even the other "customers" reactions or lack of.
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Is anyone really believing that this person is a true transgender? I don't believe it for a second.
You are surely not implying s/he is just a creep who likes to go in womens bathrooms?
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You are surely not implying s/he is just a creep who likes to go in womens bathrooms?
Looks more like some bloke wanting to get in the paper by pretending to be angry in a store and getting his mate to film it
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Is anyone really believing that this person is a true transgender? I don't believe it for a second.
Literally, no. Crossdresser, yes.
Originally Posted by cullenz
Looks more like some bloke wanting to get in the paper by pretending to be angry in a store and getting his mate to film it
I dont believe that at all. Kid was trying to secretly film. The others were in shock and didnt know how to react.
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Literally, no. Crossdresser, yes.

I dont believe that at all. Kid was trying to secretly film. The others were in shock and didnt know how to react.
Wearing a pair of pink shoes and a handbag is pushing it to be cross dressing
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I don’t think I’ve ever called someone “sir” in my life.

The customer here is a bully and a jerk, regardless of gender identity.
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Is anyone really believing that this person is a true transgender? I don't believe it for a second.
I've seen worse. Many years ago I spoke up for this guy in a club who was being bullied by a group of lads. I was with my GF and I said something like, "Leave it out, he's got enough problems without you making it worse", which, despite me using the wrong pronoun, had the right mix of humour and assertiveness to do the trick. Anyhow, the point is, the guy in question looked almost identical to this one aside from having a Dan Dare chin and a five o'clock shadow. We later marvelled at the balls on that guy, metaphorically speaking, turning up at that particular club dressed in women's clothing. It was one of the roughest places in the north west.
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Wearing a pair of pink shoes and a handbag is pushing it to be cross dressing
...and then she said, likely long before the video started, "Call me ma'am.", or possibly just "...ma'am." That should be enough. Continuing to call her "sir" repeatedly after that, as the cashier did, is clearly just being disrespectful. kicking things is taking it too far, of course, but I can see why she'd get increasingly pissed.

Although, this is apparently a Gamestop. I've had a few extremely rude cashiers while shopping there...
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This topic has actually had a bit of impact on my work. A person called in, this person sounded male, so my colleague addressed him as sir. This person took offence at that and is now in the process of litigation. As a result, the staff have to undergo "gender training", problem is management cant agree on a gender neutral pronoun.



How are you supposed to guess what someone wants to identify as from a phone call? Or if you see someone and they look like a man, sound like a man, are you really in the wrong if you address them as a man?


On what grounds would a UK company possibly face “litigation” for that? There are no legal grounds at all for such litigation. Perhaps the person threatened litigation being a pillock?
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I don’t think I’ve ever called someone “sir” in my life.
Only as a way to placate an already irate customer. Something started before the film started rolling, or the kid wouldn't have started taping.

My own person thought is that people usually get maddest when informed of their wrongness. They are mad at themselves, but flare up at who pointed out their error.

[/quote]The customer here is a bully and a jerk, regardless of gender identity.[/quote]

Another incident making me note the unbalance of the gender challenged. As mentioned upthread, "He's got enough problems". to which I add "and gender challenge is only one". But chicken vs egg?
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Last semester I got called to a sick case, a student had fainted. (Happens all the time, they tend not to eat...)
On arrival, the victim was still “out”, and lying on the floor. A 6’2”, 250 pound black individual in a leather jacket and jeans, and a full beard.

One of the professors approached me and said “she prefers the female pronoun...”

OK..... Fortunately, the individual did not regain consciousness till the FD transporter “her”... So I din’t have to worry about mis-gendering.
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This topic has actually had a bit of impact on my work. A person called in, this person sounded male, so my colleague addressed him as sir. This person took offence at that and is now in the process of litigation. As a result, the staff have to undergo "gender training", problem is management cant agree on a gender neutral pronoun.

How are you supposed to guess what someone wants to identify as from a phone call? Or if you see someone and they look like a man, sound like a man, are you really in the wrong if you address them as a man?
The intent of gender training is to make certain that if anything goes wrong it will not be the corporation’s fault. The same principle is behind most sexual harassment training.

The training is not intended to solve the problem.
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I don’t think I’ve ever called someone “sir” in my life.

The customer here is a bully and a jerk, regardless of gender identity.
Really? What do Australians say to address a person whose name they don't know?

Let's forget this particular store interaction and use a hypothetical. You're a cashier at a store. The customer buys some stuff. He picks it up, and turns around to walk away, when you look down and realize he has left his credit card on the counter. In America, you would call out, "Excuse me, sir. You forgot your credit card."

Is that just an Americanism? We use "sir", "ma'am", or "miss" frequently when dealing with people we don't know. (I've been around young women, anywhere from 17 to about 24, who are shocked when someone addresses them as "ma'am", when they are accustomed to "miss".) I don't know how frequently I address someone as "sir", but it's common. I don't mean just "not bizarre". I mean it's the customary, ordinary, way of talking to people you don't know. I would assume that cashiers, bank tellers, receptionists, or really anyone who deals with the general public, i.e. strangers with unknown names, would use "sir" and "ma'am" several times per day.
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Really? What do Australians say to address a person whose name they don't know?

Let's forget this particular store interaction and use a hypothetical. You're a cashier at a store. The customer buys some stuff. He picks it up, and turns around to walk away, when you look down and realize he has left his credit card on the counter. In America, you would call out, "Excuse me, sir. You forgot your credit card."

Is that just an Americanism? We use "sir", "ma'am", or "miss" frequently when dealing with people we don't know. (I've been around young women, anywhere from 17 to about 24, who are shocked when someone addresses them as "ma'am", when they are accustomed to "miss".) I don't know how frequently I address someone as "sir", but it's common. I don't mean just "not bizarre". I mean it's the customary, ordinary, way of talking to people you don't know. I would assume that cashiers, bank tellers, receptionists, or really anyone who deals with the general public, i.e. strangers with unknown names, would use "sir" and "ma'am" several times per day.
This is common in Canada, too (at least ontario)
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Really? What do Australians say to address a person whose name they don't know?

Let's forget this particular store interaction and use a hypothetical. You're a cashier at a store. The customer buys some stuff. He picks it up, and turns around to walk away, when you look down and realize he has left his credit card on the counter. In America, you would call out, "Excuse me, sir. You forgot your credit card."
In the UK it would be more likely to be just, "Excuse me, you forgot your credit card."
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In the UK it would be more likely to be just, "Excuse me, you forgot your credit card."
More likely, "Oi! Mate!" and when you looked round they'd be waving the card in the air with a harassed expression.
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Really? What do Australians say to address a person whose name they don't know?

Let's forget this particular store interaction and use a hypothetical. You're a cashier at a store. The customer buys some stuff. He picks it up, and turns around to walk away, when you look down and realize he has left his credit card on the counter. In America, you would call out, "Excuse me, sir. You forgot your credit card."

Is that just an Americanism? We use "sir", "ma'am", or "miss" frequently when dealing with people we don't know. (I've been around young women, anywhere from 17 to about 24, who are shocked when someone addresses them as "ma'am", when they are accustomed to "miss".) I don't know how frequently I address someone as "sir", but it's common. I don't mean just "not bizarre". I mean it's the customary, ordinary, way of talking to people you don't know. I would assume that cashiers, bank tellers, receptionists, or really anyone who deals with the general public, i.e. strangers with unknown names, would use "sir" and "ma'am" several times per day.
I think the top five I get called here (in Tennessee) are "sugar," "honey," "sweetie," "dear," and "darlin'." Are there any offensive ones in that list?! I can't keep up with this stuff.

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More likely, "Oi! Mate!" and when you looked round they'd be waving the card in the air with a harassed expression.
True.

A quick-witted cashier could glance at the name on the card. Mine says "Mr <initials><surname>" though I think that format's unusual nowadays. The beard would be a clue too.
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I think the top five I get called here (in Tennessee) are "sugar," "honey," "sweetie," "dear," and "darlin'." Are there any offensive ones in that list?! I can't keep up with this stuff.
I'm guessing that those operate like the usual "pet" used in Northeast England; okay for every situation *except* a male cashier and male customer.
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The things retail workers have to put up with.
Ahh yes, retail hell.

When i was a young man, I worked as a cashier at a pretzel shop in a mall.

Some lady gave me a hard time because I called her ma'am. Apparently she was too young to be a "ma'am" and was upset I didn't call her miss. My experience is that some people are just looking for reasons to be pissed off, and retail workers are an easy outlet, being a captive audience.
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He definitely shouldn't have called him 'sir'. That's a ******* man, though.
That may well have been the hundredth time that week that he'd been "misgendered". The poor schmuck in the toy shop there might just have been the last straw.
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I'm guessing that those operate like the usual "pet" used in Northeast England; okay for every situation *except* a male cashier and male customer.
Yeah. When posting that I was even thinking, "Wait, what do the male cashiers call me?" and then, "Wait, do we even have any male cashiers?" ...lol

I don't get out much, but from my experience it seems that men could be way under-represented as cashiers here. ...or for some reason they just don't register with me.
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That may well have been the hundredth time that week that he'd been "misgendered". The poor schmuck in the toy shop there might just have been the last straw.
These transgenders and their gender appropriation. Who do they think they are?
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Old 2nd January 2019, 07:51 AM   #38
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Originally Posted by TX50 View Post
That may well have been the hundredth time that week that he'd been "misgendered".
Looking at him I reckon that's a conservative estimate.
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Here in NJ USA, every male is called 'sir' in retail places and whatnot. Annoying as hell. Graybeard workers are calling teens 'sir'. I personally find it passive-agressively snotty, like saying 'I'm being phony polite to you because I have to'.

One of the best baristas I ever saw read people beautifully, and addressed them in kind. There was a family in line ahead of me, and he quickly scanned them, smiled at the grandpa, and said 'Good morning, sir! What can I get for you and your family today?' And the man seemed pleased with the greeting. When I was up, I expected the same sunny bull. Instead he scanned me and said 'Sup, man'. Dude knew how to make people feel comfortable.
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Originally Posted by baron View Post
Looking at him I reckon that's a conservative estimate.
I shouldn't laugh ............but I did.
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