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Old 3rd January 2019, 06:09 AM   #81
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Originally Posted by 3point14 View Post
Can anyone tell me how, without asking, I tell the difference between a pre transition transsexual who would like to be called 'Miss' and a transvestite who just thinks he looks good in a frock and would like to be called 'Sir'?
Ask.
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Old 3rd January 2019, 06:21 AM   #82
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Can anyone tell me how, without asking, I tell the difference between a pre transition transsexual who would like to be called 'Miss' and a transvestite who just thinks he looks good in a frock and would like to be called 'Sir'?
Just don't say sir or miss.
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This mythological world where everyone is walking around asking people how they want to be addressed before talking to them for even the simplest and quickest of basic social interactions is an insane pipe dream.

We need defaults we can... default to in society. That concept isn't evil.
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Old 3rd January 2019, 06:53 AM   #84
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
This mythological world where everyone is walking around asking people how they want to be addressed before talking to them for even the simplest and quickest of basic social interactions is an insane pipe dream.

We need defaults we can... default to in society. That concept isn't evil.
Yes it is
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Yes it is
How so?
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How so?
The answer is a derail.
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Old 3rd January 2019, 08:32 AM   #87
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
This mythological world where everyone is walking around asking people how they want to be addressed before talking to them for even the simplest and quickest of basic social interactions is an insane pipe dream.
It's not a insane pipe dream, it's just insane.
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The answer is a derail.
No it isn't.

(You're it!)

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Originally Posted by bluesjnr View Post
No it isn't.

(Your it!)
Agree to disagree
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Misspelling of Furry I think. Might be better off remaining ignorant.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Furry_fandom

What is the personal pronoun you should use about a Furry - Nazi or otherwise? It???
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In my (admittedly limited) experience, trans people will, if you make a mistake, either go about their business, or if it's going to be a long interaction will correct gently, and as long as you accept it, they're fine.
This is my experience as well. Admittedly my experience is also pretty limited (most people's is, which is why the push toward gender neutral language/new pronouns will probably never be successful: you aren't changing the usage of a closed class of words like English pronouns if people rarely have reason to use the change). However the few trans people I've known generally don't care much about mis-gendering in the first place. What they don't like is people who are clearly doing it maliciously: people going out of their way to mis-gender, using pronouns as a sort of pseudo-slur.
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What is the personal pronoun you should use about a Furry - Nazi or otherwise?
Just address them as Mein Fuhrrer.
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I still have some difficulty with the "transgendered" label. Why even claim it? I don't really care what you were -- I only care what you are (or prefer to be identified as). The "T" goes both ways and doesn't help at all.

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His it?
How do you know how this person identifies???
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But what's more likely in this case:

1)She was enraged the first time the cashier called her "sir", and the camera just coincidentally started right after the first time;

2) the cashier (and possibly the other customer) had repeatedly called her "sir", despite her increasingly angry objections, and the video starts after she's become outraged?

In my (admittedly limited) experience, trans people will, if you make a mistake, either go about their business, or if it's going to be a long interaction will correct gently, and as long as you accept it, they're fine.
I can't tell you, I only know what we all know from the video.

My issue is, the cashier isn't going to know what this person chooses to identify as, and he's serving many many people throughout the day, so he's not expecting to have to think on the spot about whether or not this person identifies as being a man or a woman. Some people dress in all manner of ways, I know men who wear make-up but aren't gay and are male through and through, so it's not always easy to tell. I also know women who dress quite boyish, but aren't gay, though some are.

The cashier, no doubt, is just wanting to ring up yet another customer and get on with the day, and isn't focusing on what gender a person feels they identify with.

I understand the frustration from the person identifying as being a woman, but at the end of the day, you don't fly off the handle. People get my name wrong all the time in work, I just smile and get on with it cos there's more to life and my job is hectic enough as it is.

Mistakes are easy to make, I think that's obvious. We all make them. IMHO, I don't think the cashier was going out of their way to annoy this transgender person, because he's more likely just watching the clock and praying for the end of his shift, lol.
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I still have some difficulty with the "transgendered" label. Why even claim it? I don't really care what you were -- I only care what you are (or prefer to be identified as). The "T" goes both ways and doesn't help at all.
I don't know either. Some of them seem to be rabid about berating people who refer to their previous gender, then demand they use a pronoun that encompasses that very information. My position is simple; the options are he or she, I don't much care which you choose but if you think I'm going to make a cock of myself with zees and sees and wees and geegees then you've another think coming.
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Ask.
Tbf, I certainly wouldn't be asking every potential trans person I saw whether they wanted to be called sir or miss. I'd rather just avoid calling them either of the two, I'd rather call the person by his or her name.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
This mythological world where everyone is walking around asking people how they want to be addressed before talking to them for even the simplest and quickest of basic social interactions is an insane pipe dream.

We need defaults we can... default to in society. That concept isn't evil.
but apparently biology is.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
This mythological world where everyone is walking around asking people how they want to be addressed before talking to them for even the simplest and quickest of basic social interactions is an insane pipe dream.

We need defaults we can... default to in society. That concept isn't evil.
I tend to agree, and IMHO, asking someone whether they'd like to be called sir or miss could be another potential minefield of social awkwardness if the person is just a bloke who likes to dress a bit effeminately or vice versa.

Imagine meeting Eddie Izzard and not knowing who he was, "sir or miss?" At least he'd laugh about it.
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Just say "Greetings, fellow citizen". Wait, I guess not.
Is "How are you today?" acceptable?
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Just say "Greetings, fellow citizen".
Then again, they could be awaiting citizenship and think you're rubbing your citizenship in by referring to them as a citizen.

I still think "mate" and "love" work wonders. Anyone can be your mate, regardless of gender.
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It never became as big of a thing, but I'm reminded of this weird period we went through (might have just been in my region I don't know) when I was growing up where the whole Miss/Ms/Missus thing came back for a little bit and there was this backlash against. Even with a "neutral" choice in there you couldn't win. Sure 99% of women didn't give two craps (hell probably didn't even notice to give a crap and wouldn't if they did), but enough married/unmarried women still got angry at the non-marriage specific greeting or vice versa to make it risk.

And besides everyone damn well knows that if we introduced a "neutral" salutation it's going to be the "Happy Holidays" fight all over again times 10. Neutrality doesn't work when one party is angry at the neutrality.

And listen I want to do what I can to help people. But at a certain point sometimes I just have to do what's going to cause me the least amount of goddamn drama in my daily life. You want to be the first person to call a MAGA hated Trumper "Xe" or whatever and get his reaction, knock yourself out. I don't have it in me anymore.
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
Ask.

Not a viable answer given the wording of the question.

It's really very difficult to ask "Excuse me, are you a man or a woman?". I would also suspect that some would take offense even at the question.
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Then again, they could be awaiting citizenship and think you're rubbing your citizenship in by referring to them as a citizen.

I still think "mate" and "love" work wonders. Anyone can be your mate, regardless of gender.

'Mate' is okay, for interactions that aren't acrimonious.

'Love', or, more likely, 'Luv' can be a bit dangerous, some will view it as condescending. As a general rule, the further south you are, the more likely 'Luv' will cause offense.
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"Do you prefer ma'am or sir?"

"I prefer to complete this transaction and be on my way. Call me whatever makes that happen soonest."

"Here's your change. Enjoy your game. Have a nice day."

"Thanks, you too."

ETA: Apparently it's a typically Californian trait, to make business transactions as terse and functional as possible. I don't know about that, but I do know that when I'm at the register, I'm laser-focused on completing the few steps necessary to be done, with ideally zero nonessential activity. Idle chitchat? Making conversation? Boop to that. Finding out my preferred pronoun seems like a complete waste of time. I don't care. You don't care. Just take my money and give me my receipt. Say whatever you want, as long as I don't have to pay attention to it and it doesn't slow you down.

Anyone who comes to the register looking to have their preferred pronouns respected is doing it wrong, in my opinion. Preferred pronouns are completely irrelevant to the intended outcome. Unless the intended outcome isn't actually exchanging money for goods and services. In which case, you shouldn't be at the register in the first place. See "doing it wrong" above.

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Not a viable answer given the wording of the question.

It's really very difficult to ask "Excuse me, are you a man or a woman?". I would also suspect that some would take offense even at the question.
Yes, which is why you don't ask using those difficult words. It may sound awkward at first but that's just training (and probably long exposure to lowest-common-denominator English through TV and popular media); something like, "how would you like me to address you?" would never fail.

However, unless you do that with literally everyone you meet (not very likely), the issue could arise during a "oh, you forgot your card" type scenario as being discussed.

It's kind of interesting to me because a few months back, I was going to go full out and put in gender neutral pronouns in my sig here at ISF and begin to use them regularly just to begin to acclimate myself to every day usage.

I think it's still a good idea and this thread is a good reminder that the neutral pronoun concept has been a struggle for hundreds of years now. Kinda like the US and metric; we need to just get on with it and not be afraid of change.
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Once again, the irony meter explodes when a guy who sounds like a guy, acts like a ******* Alpha Male ******* saying thins such as "************, lets go outside and settle this!!" (which is the kind of thing you never hear a girl say), expects to be treated like a lady. Reminds me of the famous Tv interview where a Transwoman got offended by Ben Shapiro and once again, made physical threats, telling him he's gonna go home in an ambulance, etc. Again, typical alpha male language you never hear from a woman.

This isn't even about being treated like a specific gender. This is an issue of demanding to be respected when you behave in the uttermost disrespectful way.

Girl, guy, it, whatever: That person is a ******* antisocial *******.
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Originally Posted by bytewizard View Post
Just say "Greetings, fellow citizen". Wait, I guess not.
Is "How are you today?" acceptable?
Maybe if you're in Orwell's 1984
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After having watched Breaking Bad, I really struggle to not just call everyone "bitch,"... ...uhm... ...erhm... ...bitches. It did seem to be used in a gender neutral way in the show, however. So, it does have that going for it, I suppose.
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It's interesting that the majority of furries are atheists or agnostics:
It makes sense if they ever read Leviticus.
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After having watched Breaking Bad, I really struggle to not just call everyone "bitch,"... ...uhm... ...erhm... ...bitches. It did seem to be used in a gender neutral way in the show, however. So, it does have that going for it, I suppose.
I was gonna link Fred Armisen's "Riley Sketch" but all I could find was this poorly filmed short clip. I wonder if they took it down because too many people were getting offended by that word

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How do you know how this person identifies???
I suppose I should have been more careful with that joke in this thread. My comment wasn't meant to be about how to identify transgendered people at all. I was merely making fun of the mistaken "your" vs "you're" vs "you are" in the post ahead of mine.
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On my last trip to Florida, I got called "Boss" a few times (not disrespectfully). I understand this may be second nature for former prisoners, but these varied people didn't appear to be fresh out of the clink.

I think it works.

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I suppose I should have been more careful with that joke in this thread. My comment wasn't meant to be about how to identify transgendered people at all. I was merely making fun of the mistaken "your" vs "you're" vs "you are" in the post ahead of mine.
I did get that... I guess mine didn't work as well as I thought, either.
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I did get that... I guess mine didn't work as well as I thought, either.
Don't worry. I realized you could be joking. But still, I realized my earlier post could easily be interpreted improperly. Especially since I didn't quote.
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The answer is a derail.
A discussion of default pronouns in a thread about an incident involving default pronouns is literally the opposite of a derail.
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Old 3rd January 2019, 12:47 PM   #116
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I think we'll find out that this is fake, or a set up.
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I think we'll find out that this is fake, or a set up.
Fake in what sense, though?

The complainer isn't actually trans at all, just a confrontation junkie portraying fake outrage?
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Old 3rd January 2019, 01:16 PM   #118
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Originally Posted by Drewbot View Post
I think we'll find out that this is fake, or a set up.
Not bad acting if fake. I mean, no academy award or anything but better than some professionals I've seen.

The overall look does seem to be that s/he is not exactly embracing a female persona. Looks more like a guy faking it.
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Old 3rd January 2019, 01:34 PM   #119
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Fake in what sense, though?

The complainer isn't actually trans at all, just a confrontation junkie portraying fake outrage?
I could go with roid rage.
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Old 3rd January 2019, 02:08 PM   #120
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
A discussion of default pronouns in a thread about an incident involving default pronouns is literally the opposite of a derail.
Why my criteria of evil differs from a more common view is a derail.
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