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Old 5th January 2019, 10:53 AM   #161
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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
Z

This reminded me of an event many years ago

One time I was on a job (as an apprentice) and just meandering around waiting to get in the tool crib ...

The Foreman comes up to me and says "How are you today" .. so I said "Fine thank-you how are you" .. and he went into a tirade (I still remember his words)

"I didn't walk all the way across the ******* turbine floor to enquire about your ******* health ... do you have some kind of productive ******* work you can be doing!"

IDK why but I still think that's so funny
My God, you're right. That is so outrageous and ridiculous, it's just pure hilarity. Are you sure you weren't inside a Monty Python sketch?
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Old 5th January 2019, 11:16 AM   #162
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Originally Posted by Ron_Tomkins View Post
My God, you're right. That is so outrageous and ridiculous, it's just pure hilarity. Are you sure you weren't inside a Monty Python sketch?
I'm curious what you goal is in posting comment like this, the "smiley" tagged on the end is insincere, but I'm sure you meant it that way ... I feel your only intent is to bully me ... but why?

How does that benefit you or the other members on the forum?
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Old 5th January 2019, 11:21 AM   #163
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Originally Posted by Gilbert Syndrome View Post
Totally agree. My problem with this incident in the OP is that these days, people dress in all manners, and act in all manners, guessing how a person identifies on a whim isn't always easy.

In hindsight, I'm sure the clerk may have addressed him as a "she," I don't know. The clerk clearly didn't think anything of it.

Funnily enough, where I'm from, I call everyone either "mate" or "love," sometimes I've gotten them mixed up, lol, but it's not an insult, it's just a mistake. I've said "thanks, mate," to a few women, accidentally, but luckily they understood my mistake.

Plenty of men wear make-up and dress effeminately, but they still identify as men. So there's an obviously blurred line here.
This was my thought, I had a friend at university who would very occasionally decide to go out in a dress, he actually looked pretty similar actually. He never self identified as a guy.
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Old 5th January 2019, 11:23 AM   #164
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I absolutely think we should, as a society, develop and encourage the use of non-gendered language.

I also think it will make absolutely no difference to the overall issue because some; not all, not most, probably not even many, but enough so it isn't statistically meaningless, of transgender people would just go on to demand another distinction so they are still "special."
Go talk to the French first. They'll gender a table.
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Old 5th January 2019, 11:29 AM   #165
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
Go talk to the French first. They'll gender a table.
Hispanics, too. Although they occasionally admit that even they, as native speakers, forget if something is an 'el'or 'la'. They'll drag out an 'esteeeee' when they don't remember
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Old 5th January 2019, 11:49 AM   #166
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
This was my thought, I had a friend at university who would very occasionally decide to go out in a dress, he actually looked pretty similar actually. He never self identified as a guy.
Same here, I have a couple of gay friends who wear make-up and dress rather flamboyantly on occasion, but they're not trans and they don't identify as being female, they're just blokes who're into blokes and like wearing feminine things, I guess.

If I referred to my gay mate as a "she," he'd laugh at me and tell me to sod off.

Even if a person identifies with being the opposite sex, does it mean that they have an inability to accept anyone stating otherwise, however trivial and lacking in cruelty it may be?

Is it down to each and every person to be careful about what they say or is it down to each and every person to show some dignity and just get on with it?

If a person calls me by the wrong name, do I fly off the handle, or do I just laugh and politely correct them?

It's a minefield of nonsense, all of this business.
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Old 5th January 2019, 01:20 PM   #167
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Originally Posted by 3point14 View Post
I don't think so.





Is the unwritten statement following on from this "And everyone wants to be the same as everyone else?"





Some people don't find 'because that's the way everyone else does it' to be a convincing argument.
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Old 5th January 2019, 04:05 PM   #168
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Originally Posted by P.J. Denyer View Post
Go talk to the French first. They'll gender a table.
I actually want to return to this for a minute because it brings up an interesting point.

How the hell does this work, if at all, in other languages?

*And yes I'm aware of the distinction and difference between "Grammatical Gender" and the kind of gender language we're talking about.
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Old 5th January 2019, 08:58 PM   #169
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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
I'm curious what you goal is in posting comment like this, the "smiley" tagged on the end is insincere, but I'm sure you meant it that way ... I feel your only intent is to bully me ... but why?

How does that benefit you or the other members on the forum?
Wow.... paranoid much, fella?
I wasn't being ironic. I was sympathizing with you because I'm on your side in that issue. At least I thought I was. Now that you're behaving like a paranoid jerk, I'm not sure anymore.
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Old 5th January 2019, 11:28 PM   #170
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Originally Posted by Ron_Tomkins View Post
Wow.... paranoid much, fella?
I wasn't being ironic. I was sympathizing with you because I'm on your side in that issue. At least I thought I was. Now that you're behaving like a paranoid jerk, I'm not sure anymore.
I think you mis-spelled "you're right, sorry about being a dick".

Really weak denial, Ron!
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Part of manners is making everyone feel comfortable, so I eliminate confusion and anxiety on the part of others by insisting they refer to me as "Your Excellency" at all times. "Would Your Excellency care to supersize the chicken combo?" and "I trust Your Excellency will enjoy these fifteen-dollar sneakers" and "Excuse me, Your Excellency, but your fly is unzipped". Dignity. Gravitas. Deportment. These are the cornerstones of building our most Excellent selves.
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Old 6th January 2019, 01:58 AM   #172
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Originally Posted by Ron Swanson View Post
I'm curious what you goal is in posting comment like this, the "smiley" tagged on the end is insincere, but I'm sure you meant it that way ... I feel your only intent is to bully me ... but why?

How does that benefit you or the other members on the forum?
I wouldn't worry, he has a somewhat challenging view on what constitutes hilarity. Want proof of this? Watch one of his "hilarious" videos.

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Old 6th January 2019, 06:20 AM   #173
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Originally Posted by bluesjnr View Post
I wouldn't worry, he has a somewhat challenging view on what constitutes hilarity. Want proof of this? Watch one of his "hilarious" videos.



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Still a better love story than Harry Potter.
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Old 6th January 2019, 06:27 AM   #174
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
I think you mis-spelled "you're right, sorry about being a dick".



Really weak denial, Ron!
So what are you psychic or merely able to be empathic remotely.... empsyathic? I didn't get the sense that he was being mean. But thats the thing we all know about mesaage boards, it's hard to get context regarding the emotional intent of posts. So I'm inclined to take him at his word and my original impression that it was an expression of sympathy rather than sarcasam.
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Old 6th January 2019, 07:42 AM   #175
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
Then don't ask.

See how simple that is? You see or have to interact with a person who's blurred the lines amongst genders. You going to assume one or the other? Why not assume neither and just avoid using direct forms of address.

"Hi there, may I help you?"
"Will that be cash or charge, then?"
"You want fries with that?"
"Good morning, what can I do for you?"

I could go through several dozen such lines. No where do you need to throw in the superfluous and gratuitous Sir or Ma'am.
Thank god everyone thinks the same way as you do.
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Old 6th January 2019, 07:46 AM   #176
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I don't think so.





Is the unwritten statement following on from this "And everyone wants to be the same as everyone else?"





Some people don't find 'because that's the way everyone else does it' to be a convincing argument.
When driving, do you trust stop lights? By this I mean do you drive as if red lights will cause people to stop?

If so, you are not really following your line of logic.
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Old 6th January 2019, 08:39 AM   #177
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I still have some difficulty with the "transgendered" label. Why even claim it? I don't really care what you were -- I only care what you are (or prefer to be identified as). The "T" goes both ways and doesn't help at all.



How do you know how this person identifies???
What's not to get.

You must recognize and respect a trans persons struggle and give up all entitlements to opinions on it as you are not trans. In addition to this you must become good enough to recognize a trans person on sight and their preferred gender (asking is often seen as very rude) , but also not see a trans person as different from their preferred gender.

Pretty simple really, just learn the nuances of a tony subculture while denying there are any nuances making said subculture any different.
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Thank god everyone thinks the same way as you do.
Yep. It took a lot of work, but you're all falling in line. Thanks for your continued support.
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Originally Posted by bluesjnr View Post
I wouldn't worry, he has a somewhat challenging view on what constitutes hilarity. Want proof of this? Watch one of his "hilarious" videos.

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I would say the point of that show is to be challenging, so that makes sense
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Old 7th January 2019, 09:03 AM   #180
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Hispanics, too. Although they occasionally admit that even they, as native speakers, forget if something is an 'el'or 'la'. They'll drag out an 'esteeeee' when they don't remember
The morons at Splinter News and associated sites have started using "Latinx" to avoid gender-specificity when they refer to Latino/a folks. It's about as irritating as their frequent grammar / spelling errors.
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I'm still waiting for it to catch on in spoken English.

"As a proud La-Tinx -"

"I'm sorry, a what?"
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Just call people whatever they want or nothing at all.
Why?
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Why?
I don't know, perhaps he believes taxonomy is theft?
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