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Old 6th January 2019, 10:41 AM   #1
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Divorce by Text

Saudi women to be notified of divorce by text message

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/06/middl...ntl/index.html
As first I thought, "How low can they go?" But then after reading the article I see that this is an improvement of sorts. When the bar is that low, even this is an improvement.

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Women in Saudi Arabia divorced by their husbands will now be sent a text message to inform them of their new status.
The move is designed to stop the practice of men ending marriages without telling their wives.
I didn't know this was a thing in Saudi Arabia.

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The Saudi courts started to send such notifications Sunday in "a step aimed at protecting the rights of female clients, and enhancing digital transformation with more services," the country's Ministry of Justice said in a statement.
The message will include the divorce certificate number and the name of the relevant court where the women can pick up the documentation.
Women can also inquire about their marital status through a website and view details of any probate certificates.
But what is an inch when they have miles to go?

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Old 6th January 2019, 11:16 AM   #2
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Beneath the thin veneer of modernity, financed for by the West due to an accident of geography, the Saudis still have the mentality of 7th century goat herders and fishermen.
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Old 6th January 2019, 01:18 PM   #3
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Way too little and really late. It seems they will never catch up.
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Old 6th January 2019, 01:25 PM   #4
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Saudi Arabia just needs to go away. Forever.
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Old 6th January 2019, 02:08 PM   #5
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Women can also inquire about their marital status through a website and view details of any probate certificates.
@amIstillmarried.gov.sa
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Old 6th January 2019, 02:14 PM   #6
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Way too little and really late. It seems they will never catch up.
Catch up with what? It's a progressive myth that the calendar marks social progress. It doesn't. People in different times and places do what works for them in that time and place.

Saudi Arabia, fully present in this time and place, is doing what works for them. Changing Saudi policy isn't a question of changing the calendar date. It's a question of changing Saudi Arabia's circumstances.

But changing Saudi Arabia's circumstances is likely to be a costly endeavor for whoever tries it. And it's certain to change a lot of circumstances in the region, which brings additional risks and costs.

At some point, the pearl clutchers are going to have to move beyond "Saudi Arabia needs to go away", and come up with some sort of rational alternative.
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Old 6th January 2019, 02:31 PM   #7
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Catch up with what? It's a progressive myth that the calendar marks social progress. It doesn't. People in different times and places do what works for them in that time and place.

Saudi Arabia, fully present in this time and place, is doing what works for them. Changing Saudi policy isn't a question of changing the calendar date. It's a question of changing Saudi Arabia's circumstances.

But changing Saudi Arabia's circumstances is likely to be a costly endeavor for whoever tries it. And it's certain to change a lot of circumstances in the region, which brings additional risks and costs.

At some point, the pearl clutchers are going to have to move beyond "Saudi Arabia needs to go away", and come up with some sort of rational alternative.
The trouble is they have no motivation to change. Their wealth comes through doing nothing. They have achieved nothing and they don't need to achieve anything because the money keeps on coming regardless. They'll change when the oil runs out, because they'll have to.
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Old 6th January 2019, 02:36 PM   #8
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Outrage is based on applying feelings about OUR culture of marriage on THEIR culture. What do you think they think of Western marriage culture, given the Kardashians and Trump as the most visible examples?
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Old 6th January 2019, 02:36 PM   #9
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I divorce you
I divorce you
I divorce you

I have no idea if this is a real thing, but keep stumbling across references to it.
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Old 6th January 2019, 02:39 PM   #10
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Turns out it is simpler, and more complex than I had heard:

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/2632...ou-are-divorce
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Old 6th January 2019, 03:03 PM   #11
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Outrage is based on applying feelings about OUR culture of marriage on THEIR culture. What do you think they think of Western marriage culture, given the Kardashians and Trump as the most visible examples?
They probably despise us for it. After all, not only are these women wealthy, independent and powerful, they also have the gall to expose their naked skin.
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My favorite line from the article:

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Not all men agree with the new technology. Abdulaziz al-Omari, 39, said, "I prefer to ghost them. Even the blind camel can find water."
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Old 6th January 2019, 06:00 PM   #13
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Originally Posted by novaphile View Post
I divorce you
I divorce you
I divorce you

I have no idea if this is a real thing, but keep stumbling across references to it.
There's a legend that Mustafa Kemal divorced his wife this way just before making the practice illegal in Turkey. Whether he actually did is probably unknowable.
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Catch up with what? It's a progressive myth that the calendar marks social progress. It doesn't. People in different times and places do what works for them in that time and place.

Saudi Arabia, fully present in this time and place, is doing what works for them. Changing Saudi policy isn't a question of changing the calendar date. It's a question of changing Saudi Arabia's circumstances.

But changing Saudi Arabia's circumstances is likely to be a costly endeavor for whoever tries it. And it's certain to change a lot of circumstances in the region, which brings additional risks and costs.

At some point, the pearl clutchers are going to have to move beyond "Saudi Arabia needs to go away", and come up with some sort of rational alternative.
It seems to me that this actually is evidence of change in, what I anyway would consider is, the right direction. And while you are certainly right that "Saudi Arabia, fully present in this time and place, is doing what works for them", and what works for them is dependent upon the circumstances in which they live, there are forces that are acting pretty much everywhere in the world in the same direction. Urbanisation, for instance. Advancement of communications technology and access to information. Access to birth control.

These things are happening at different rates in different parts of the world, but almost universally in one direction.
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Old 6th January 2019, 07:13 PM   #15
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They probably despise us for it. After all, not only are these women wealthy, independent and powerful, they also have the gall to expose their naked skin.
The Kardashians aren't powerful at all. Momma is a sleaze-bag and sells her daughters for money (there's a word for that...). Her daughters are famous for simply making themselves known, not for any great achievements at all. It wasn't the naked skin that is an issue, it's the appallingly weak attitudes to fidelity and compassion, art and plain good manners. Their lives are publicly all about them, all the time, and they want to get paid for being shallow mindless twats. I'd say their detractors have a point...
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But what is an inch when they have miles to go?
It's an inch further ahead than they were previously. If you're waiting for them to leap miles in a single jump, you'll be waiting a long time. Incremental improvement is good, as long as it isn't countered in the other direction by, oh I don't know, state-sponsored murder of journalists or something.
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+1 for "miniscule step in the right direction"

I'm surprised people could be unwed and could go about uninformed of this.
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It probably happens to men in the western world all the time...

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The Kardashians aren't powerful at all. Momma is a sleaze-bag and sells her daughters for money (there's a word for that...). Her daughters are famous for simply making themselves known, not for any great achievements at all. It wasn't the naked skin that is an issue, it's the appallingly weak attitudes to fidelity and compassion, art and plain good manners. Their lives are publicly all about them, all the time, and they want to get paid for being shallow mindless twats. I'd say their detractors have a point...
They're not powerful in the way presidents or kings are powerful; for example, Kim Kardashian would have a hard time ordering the murder of a journalist inside an embassy in a foreign country, but regardless of what you think of them (and I don't think much) they are confident achievers in their field and they have a lot of clout in the media and entertainment industry. This kind of thing does not sit well with Islamist men, for whom a woman is property and should never exhibit signs of independent action or ambition. Doing so will get a woman killed by her husband, father, brothers or uncles (or more likely, all at once) quicker than you can say haram.
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Sounds like a good thing. I wonder what the objection is here... would it be better to be informed by post as they do here?
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
Sounds like a good thing. I wonder what the objection is here... would it be better to be informed by post as they do here?
Is that usually how it happens? Or is it not a legal process in which women and men both participate as opposed to a woman being told by text that she is being selected for removal to make space for wife number 4?
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Is that usually how it happens? Or is it not a legal process in which women and men both participate as opposed to a woman being told by text that she is being selected for removal to make space for wife number 4?
That's not usually a good reason in Saudi, where the man is free to enslave marry multiple women. More likely is that the woman in question was not sufficiently submissive, or didn't 'accept his advances' with good grace, or was reluctant to cover herself with a black bag and walk ten paces behind her chaperone, and therefore needed to be rejected in favour of a more compliant item.

I thought it was easy to return a product to Amazon - not as easy as returning your wife if you live in a Muslim country.
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That's not usually a good reason in Saudi, where the man is free to enslave marry multiple women....
As far as I know the husband is not enslaving the woman, he is buying her from the previous owner; the father.
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Can the text be done as emoji-only?
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Is that usually how it happens? Or is it not a legal process in which women and men both participate as opposed to a woman being told by text that she is being selected for removal to make space for wife number 4?
Divorce?

You apply for a divorce, give your reasons and the court sends out paperwork to tell the people involved.

It's a 'legal process' but the participation is minimal.
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As far as I know the husband is not enslaving the woman, he is buying her from the previous owner; the father.
The father doesn't accept returns, however. He would rather dispose of the item than accept it back into his house and be dishonoured.
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Divorce?

You apply for a divorce, give your reasons and the court sends out paperwork to tell the people involved.
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That's not usually a good reason in Saudi, where the man is free to enslave marry multiple women. More likely is that the woman in question was not sufficiently submissive, or didn't 'accept his advances' with good grace, or was reluctant to cover herself with a black bag and walk ten paces behind her chaperone, and therefore needed to be rejected in favour of a more compliant item.

I thought it was easy to return a product to Amazon - not as easy as returning your wife if you live in a Muslim country.
Saudi Arabia allows a man to marry up to four wives so, according to what I have read before, some men will just divorce one when they have filled the quota and want another.
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Originally Posted by Archie Gemmill Goal View Post
Divorce?

You apply for a divorce, give your reasons and the court sends out paperwork to tell the people involved.

It's a 'legal process' but the participation is minimal.
Indeed. But the two parties are involved - regardless of gender - and can argue whether the grounds given are fair. In Saudi, the issue is that men are guardians of women and that they legally have no say in the matter of whether they can be married or divorced. The issue is also that until now they didnít even have to be informed of matters as if their own opinions on their marital status was entirely irrelevant.
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Beneath the thin veneer of modernity, financed for by the West due to an accident of geography, the Saudis still have the mentality of 7th century goat herders and fishermen.
Why the hate? Don't you value diversity?
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Saudi Arabia allows a man to marry up to four wives so, according to what I have read before, some men will just divorce one when they have filled the quota and want another.
Only four? Poor show. No wonder these guys need to streamline the process, the last thing you want is a stagnant harem.

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Why the hate? Don't you value diversity?
I know, I should be saying things like, "Our culture is different but no better."
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I'm not entirely certain, but I think that Australian courts have started serving notices via text and email...

... Ooops, Facebook too!

https://www.smh.com.au/technology/au...13-gdt6di.html
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I'm not entirely certain, but I think that Australian courts have started serving notices via text and email...
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Australian court services of this kind are not "designed to stop the practice of men ending marriages without telling their wives". Unless the spouse is in a coma, surely they will know about divorce proceedings.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but the Australian court services of this kind are not "designed to stop the practice of men ending marriages without telling their wives". Unless the spouse is in a coma, surely they will know about divorce proceedings.
What if my wife's name isn't Shirley?
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I divorce you
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I divorce you

I have no idea if this is a real thing, but keep stumbling across references to it.
Tell me about it. A note stuck on the fridge, written in the dirt on the car, carved into the soap and sewn onto my best work shirt.
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Why the hate? Don't you value diversity?
Diversity is one thing. You can be diverse while still being culturally progressive. We don't have to tolerate abuse and medieval thinking simply because it's diverse.
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Beneath the thin veneer of modernity, financed for by the West due to an accident of geography, the Saudis still have the mentality of 7th century goat herders and fishermen.
Lets not kid ourselves that much of America is not on par.
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Originally Posted by baron View Post
Beneath the thin veneer of modernity, financed for by the West due to an accident of geography, the Saudis still have the mentality of 7th century goat herders and fishermen.
Ah, but they've got the oil.
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Originally Posted by baron View Post
The father doesn't accept returns, however. He would rather dispose of the item than accept it back into his house and be dishonoured.
Should have got it from John Lewis.
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