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Old 7th January 2019, 12:33 AM   #1
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And we think we have problems with creationists! /Indian scientists dismiss Einstein

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An Indian scientist has said Einstein's theories were "misleading"

Indian scientists have hit out at speakers at a major science conference for making irrational claims.
Some academics at the annual Indian Science Congress, inaugurated by Prime Minister Narendra Modi, had dismissed the discoveries of Issac Newton and Albert Einstein.
They had also said ancient Hindus had invented stem cell research.
Hindu mythology and religion based theories have increasingly become part of the Indian Science Congress agenda.
But academics said remarks at this year's ongoing summit were even more astounding than usual.

The head of a southern Indian university cited an old Hindu text as proof that stem cell research was discovered in India thousands of years ago.

Cows to planes: Indian ministers who rewrote scientific history
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-41344136

G Nageshwar Rao, vice chancellor of Andhra University, also said a demon king from the Hindu religious epic, Ramayana, had 24 types of aircraft and a network of landing strips in modern-day Sri Lanka.

Another scientist from an university in the southern state of Tamil Nadu who was speaking at the conference said that Issac Newton and Albert Einstein were both wrong and that gravitational waves should be renamed as "Narendra Modi Waves".

Dr KJ Krishnan reportedly said Newton failed to "understand gravitational repulsive forces" and Einstein's theories were "misleading".

Critics said ancient texts are still to be read and enjoyed - but it was nonsense to suggest they were science.
The Indian Scientific Congress Association expressed "serious concern" at the remarks.
more - even worse

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Old 7th January 2019, 01:03 AM   #2
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Yes...the slugs have come out of the woodwork and been given a voice because the party in the current government is pur homegrown Hindu version of the ISI...
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Old 7th January 2019, 02:44 AM   #3
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Yes...the slugs have come out of the woodwork and been given a voice because the party in the current government is pur homegrown Hindu version of the ISI...
OMG not ISI!
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Old 7th January 2019, 03:36 AM   #4
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Old 7th January 2019, 03:41 AM   #5
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Religionists in talking nonsense shocker.
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Old 7th January 2019, 03:42 AM   #6
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But everything was invented in India.
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Old 7th January 2019, 06:41 AM   #7
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The better minds of India will quietly know to continue to apply the accepted laws of physics to research under any name when ancient religious texts and prayers cannot solve a problem.

A nuclear nation on the surface still has their own Western educated scientists doing stuff the right way when the official dogma shifts to traditional woo.
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Old 7th January 2019, 07:32 AM   #8
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Old 8th January 2019, 08:35 AM   #9
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Indian scientists dismiss Einstein in favour of theory based on Hindu mythology

Scientists in India have hit out at speakers at a major conference for making irrational claims, including that ancient Hindus invented stem cell research.

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Some academics at the annual Indian Science Congress dismissed the findings of Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein.

Hindu mythology and religion-based theories have increasingly become part of the Indian Science Congress agenda.

The head of a southern Indian university cited an old Hindu text as proof that stem cell research was discovered in India thousands of years ago.

G Nageshwar Rao, vice chancellor of Andhra University, also said a demon king from the Hindu religious epic, Ramayana, had 24 types of aircraft and a network of landing strips in modern day Sri Lanka.

Another scientist from a university in the southern state of Tamil Nadu told conference attendees that Isaac Newton and Albert Einstein were both wrong and that gravitational waves should be renamed "Narendra Modi Waves".

Dr KJ Krishnan reportedly said Newton failed to "understand gravitational repulsive forces" and Einstein's theories were "misleading".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-46778879
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Old 8th January 2019, 09:22 AM   #10
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Again?!! They did that yesterday as well
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Old 8th January 2019, 09:35 AM   #11
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Creating duplicate threads was also invented in India
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Old 8th January 2019, 09:38 AM   #12
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Creating duplicate threads was also invented in India
Twice, in fact.

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Old 8th January 2019, 09:43 AM   #13
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Goodness Gracious Me's "Everything is Indian" chap is now a scientist, I see.
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Old 8th January 2019, 10:19 AM   #14
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It kind of makes sense to me. Not the actual claims and arguments, but the emergence of this strand of thought at this point in time.

India has inherited several hundred years of successful scientific inquiry in the western tradition. Including, notably, the surge in theoretical and applied physics achievements in the first half of the previous century. But India did not participate much, or contribute much, to the western scientific tradition. Now, they are a developing nation eager to participate and contribute much more, and take their rightful place among the nations of the first rank (so to speak).

But due to an accident of history, India must take their place not at the forefront, but as a hanger-on, a follower, a recipient of western science rather than a producer. This must be a difficult experience for a lot of intelligent and ambitious Indians. I bet that for some of them, adopting Einstein's physics feels similar to how it must have felt for Native Americans in Catholic missions and government schools. They were forced to discard their own dress, their own customs, their own language. Their entire people and way of life was erased, and they were forced to participate in that erasure.

So there's probably a question that a lot of modern Indians must confront, in themselves: "How do I internalize western civilization, without feeling like I'm being complicit in the erasure of my own culture and national identity?"
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Old 8th January 2019, 11:19 AM   #15
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If Ravanna had all those aircraft it's difficult to see how he lost to an army of monkeys.
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Old 8th January 2019, 11:20 AM   #16
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If Ravanna had all those aircraft it's difficult to see how he lost to an army of monkeys.
The monkeys had better AA
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Old 8th January 2019, 01:04 PM   #17
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Doesn't surprise me much that this kind of tosh would strike a cord with you theprestige.
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Old 8th January 2019, 01:08 PM   #18
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Many of the better Indian scientists will likely be working overseas. In the U.S in particular. Also Britain.
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Well, I don't see him saying that it's RIGHT, or anything. But basically that's what happens: nationalist idiots are idiots. Film at 11. And especially when you have a state created purely along the lines of religion, well, don't be surprised if nationalist idiots and religious idiots have a lot of overlap.
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Old 8th January 2019, 01:24 PM   #20
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It kind of makes sense to me. Not the actual claims and arguments, but the emergence of this strand of thought at this point in time.

India has inherited several hundred years of successful scientific inquiry in the western tradition. Including, notably, the surge in theoretical and applied physics achievements in the first half of the previous century. But India did not participate much, or contribute much, to the western scientific tradition. Now, they are a developing nation eager to participate and contribute much more, and take their rightful place among the nations of the first rank (so to speak).

But due to an accident of history, India must take their place not at the forefront, but as a hanger-on, a follower, a recipient of western science rather than a producer. This must be a difficult experience for a lot of intelligent and ambitious Indians. I bet that for some of them, adopting Einstein's physics feels similar to how it must have felt for Native Americans in Catholic missions and government schools. They were forced to discard their own dress, their own customs, their own language. Their entire people and way of life was erased, and they were forced to participate in that erasure.

So there's probably a question that a lot of modern Indians must confront, in themselves: "How do I internalize western civilization, without feeling like I'm being complicit in the erasure of my own culture and national identity?"
Scientists should pursue science or go and do something else.
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Scientists should pursue science or go and do something else.
Scientists are human beings just like the rest of us. They have hopes and fears, blind spots and character flaws. I think you're oversimplifying what is actually a complex problem.
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Scientists are human beings just like the rest of us. They have hopes and fears, blind spots and character flaws. I think you're oversimplifying what is actually a complex problem.
No I'm not. You can have hopes and fears, blind spots and character flaws as much as you like, but don't put them into science papers.
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
Scientists are human beings just like the rest of us. They have hopes and fears, blind spots and character flaws. I think you're oversimplifying what is actually a complex problem.
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No I'm not. You can have hopes and fears, blind spots and character flaws as much as you like, but don't put them into science papers.

Here we go ..... can't bear to watch.
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I think the problem we're seeing isn't one of actual science, but that these guys are "scientists" in the same way as "christian scientists." So it's kind of irrelevant what failings an actual scientist has. It's just a case of some ANTI-science woowoo twits going some form of "me is a scientist too, then, so there." Again, just like "christian scientists". These guys just happen to be the hindu version.
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