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Old 16th February 2017, 06:22 AM   #2521
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Originally Posted by TofuFighter View Post
Thanks. I'm still doubtful, which is why I'd like to look somewhere other than Breitbart. I guess I could try facebook. ugh.
Maybe it is only the fringe elements who choose to comment on Breitbart articles. Maybe the ordinary nose-holding Trump voters, or the issue-specific (tax/abortion) voters, aren't voicing their opinions at the moment while the focus is on other policies.
If you look at our resident Trump apologists, they are very active, spinning the various disasters that come out of the White House. I'd say that the common train of though amongst people who voted Trump - and aren't intellectually honest enough to admit that they made a mistake, even to themselves - is protecting their opinion bubble at any cost. I think that in many cases this is a subconcious process.
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Old 16th February 2017, 06:34 AM   #2522
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Poor Donald, over his head. I hope they let him tweet from jail. He'll spend 2 weeks for treason. President Ryan will then pardon him. Pence gets a deal for being a star witness against Trump. "No your honor, I was not at the pee pee party. Everything else is true. Yeltsin gave him two hotels. Putin put in the cameras."
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Old 16th February 2017, 08:13 AM   #2523
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I saw Carter Page interviewed last night on the PBS Newshour -- he's one of Trump's foreign policy advisers who is suspected of coordinating the Russian hacking last summer -- but he categorically denied having any meetings with Russian officials last summer.
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I think continuing these fake news, fake intel reports is only going to continue driving us into the gutter.... I had no meetings, no meetings. I might have said hello to a few people as they were walking by me at my graduation — the graduation speech that I gave in July, but no meetings.

He also seemed unaware or unconcerned by some of the allegations surrounding the Putin regime, accusations of stealing hundreds of millions of dollars, orchestrating false charges to imprison people Putin considers "enemies," accusations dozens of dissidents and journalists have been murdered by the Russian government.

The interviewer, Woodruff, asked Page about Russia "having the kind of an agenda that the U.S. could never share, that they’re undermining democracies across Eastern Europe." Page laughed and said we, the U.S., just need to be a bit more understanding.
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And so one question to ask your other senators you speak to is, have they ever actually stepped foot in Russia or talked to Russian people? And I think, you know, that’s very strong correlation with the ignorance that you see today…what I talked about in my speech in Moscow in July, and what President Trump and President Putin talked about in their initial call, was the concept of mutual respect.

I think, if both sides are acting respectfully and really thinking through and understanding the other side’s perspectives, that takes care of a lot of it. Link
In reality, Page is heavily involved in the Russian oil and gas industries and this is an area where Putin and his cronies realized huge personal profits during the privatization period. In 2016 Page formed an investment firm with a Russian partner, Sergei Yatsenko, a former Gazprom executive.
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Old 16th February 2017, 08:33 AM   #2524
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Working-class whites are the biggest beneficiaries of federal poverty-reduction programs, even though blacks and Hispanics have substantially higher rates of poverty, according to a new study to be released Thursday by the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

Government assistance and tax credits lifted 6.2 million working-class whites out of poverty in 2014, more than any other racial or ethnic demographic. Half of all working-age adults without college degrees lifted out of poverty by safety-net programs are white; nearly a quarter are black and a fifth are Hispanic.

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“There is a perception out there that the safety net is only for minorities. While it’s very important to minorities because they have higher poverty rates and face barriers that lead to lower earnings, it’s also quite important to whites, particularly the white working class,” said Isaac Shapiro, a senior fellow at the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities and one of the report’s authors.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-class-whites/

This is the reason why Republicans have such an incredibly hard time repelling stuff like ACA and other "entitlement programs" that they might ideologically oppose or even campaigned against. Doing so would certainly end up hurting many of the people who voted for them and Trump.
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Old 16th February 2017, 08:38 AM   #2525
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In what I'm sure is a complete coincidence, China finally awarded him a trademark for his brand. He had been unsuccessfully pursuing that since at least '06.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/20...new-trademark/
I get the sense that they know it's going to be worthless in short order.
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Old 16th February 2017, 08:41 AM   #2526
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
In reality, Page is heavily involved in the Russian oil and gas industries and this is an area where Putin and his cronies realized huge personal profits during the privatization period. In 2016 Page formed an investment firm with a Russian partner, Sergei Yatsenko, a former Gazprom executive.
Don't you see? We have to stop being so judgmental and accept that Russia is a corrupt kleptocracy where public officials and politicians are chiefly concerned with enriching themselves as much as possible. In their way of life it's okay for secret police goons to steal business that are worth billions of dollars or murder nosy journalists trying to investigate the wealth stashed away in their kitsch mansion. It's a part of their culture and heritage so would should be more respectful and understanding.
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Old 16th February 2017, 09:06 AM   #2527
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Originally Posted by Arcade22 View Post
Don't you see? We have to stop being so judgmental and accept that Russia is a corrupt kleptocracy where public officials and politicians are chiefly concerned with enriching themselves as much as possible...
That's exactly what it sounded like. Page came across as that guy back in high school who wanted you to help him to break in to the teacher's desk and steal the test answers. When you hesitated he laughed: "What are you scared? Come on dude, everyone does it. What's the big deal? I don't know about you, but I got better things to do with my time then study."

When I hear or read these interviews with people like Page I hear echoes of Watergate.

I remember a documentary about some of the figures involved, people who later were indicted, convicted and sent to prison. They showed early interviews with some of these people. They categorically denied any knowledge of the Watergate break-in, insisted it was preposterous to think the president had tried to cover it up. The real problem, they said, was the media, they were attacking the president for political reasons and it was close to treasonous. They were very angry about it, and confrontational towards the media people trying to interview them. A few of them actually became almost physically confrontational. They were outraged over this 'fake news.'

Then they showed footage of the same people when they were being sentenced, admitting 'what they had known and when they had known it.' (Some of them, knowing they were headed for prison, were crying as they spoke.) It was astounding to me to realize how, in the earlier interviews, they had been lying through their teeth. That was a eyeopener; these had been administration officials.

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Old 16th February 2017, 09:12 AM   #2528
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One of the amusing things I noticed was someone comparing Trump's current behavior to Captain Queeg and the Strawberries. I saw exactly that comparison, rather skillfully cartooned, in the Nixon debacle. The more things change, etc. etc.

Trump is Nixon lite, for Republicans who liked old Dick but thought he was too intellectual and burdened with conscience.

e.t.a. it was an eye opener indeed, but not just for liberals. I recall the genuine shock of old-fashioned conservatives like Lowell Weicker.
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Old 16th February 2017, 09:35 AM   #2529
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e.t.a. it was an eye opener indeed, but not just for liberals. I recall the genuine shock of old-fashioned conservatives like Lowell Weicker.
Lowell Weiker was the one who once called Trump a "dirtbag." This was following Trump's attempt at a Congressional hearing in the early 1990s to have the Foxwoods casinos in Connecticut denied a license because of what Trump called pervasive criminal activity by the Native Americans who were organizing the project. When law enforcement people testified that they were not aware of this criminal activity, Trump insisted he knew more than the law enforcement people.

One of the congressman in the hearing called Trump's testimony one of the worst appearances he'd ever seen. (The casino was granted a license and later, Trump solicited their business, hoping to have his management corporation run the casinos. He didn't get the job.)
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Old 16th February 2017, 09:45 AM   #2530
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
Lowell Weiker was the one who once called Trump a "dirtbag." This was following Trump's attempt at a Congressional hearing in the early 1990s to have the Foxwoods casinos in Connecticut denied a license because of what Trump called pervasive criminal activity by the Native Americans who were organizing the project. When law enforcement people testified that they were not aware of this criminal activity, Trump insisted he knew more than the law enforcement people.

One of the congressman in the hearing called Trump's testimony one of the worst appearances he'd ever seen. (The casino was granted a license and later, Trump solicited their business, hoping to have his management corporation run the casinos. He didn't get the job.)
On a sidebar, Trump used his political connections in New York City to to prevent the Mashantucket Pequot's from having their high speed ferry from docking in New York City to bring high rollers up to Foxwoods. I think the ferry brought them up from Stamford. There is no love lost between Trump and native peoples because of his antagonism towards tribal casinos. (In full disclosure, I worked for the Pequots at the time.)
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Old 16th February 2017, 10:03 AM   #2531
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I wonder if Trump thought this was all going to be the Apprentice? That he would simply keep firing people till the rest all agreed with him. "Are you wih me or against me?"
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President Trump is facing multiple potential investigations, dealing with an administration that leaks like a sieve and still wrestling with heavy policy decisions on the Affordable Care Act, taxes and other issues.

So naturally, four weeks into his presidency and 1,356 days until the 2020 election, he's hitting the campaign trail.

Trump will hold a rally Saturday at an airplane hangar in Orlando — the reasons for which aren't entirely clear. Actually, scratch that. The reason is clear: Trump needs to return to friendlier territory. He needs to return to doing something he likes, and he needs a way to get his message out without taking questions from journalists.

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“I mean, this guy's campaigning; that's all he likes to do is campaign,” Trump said on Oct. 27 in Geneva, Ohio.

He said on Sept. 14 in Canton, Ohio: “Why isn't he working? Why isn't he working instead of campaigning for crooked Hillary? Why? Why? Unbelievable. Who's paying for that big plane that comes in? I just wonder.”

A quick review of Trump's comments revealed at least 15 examples of him attacking Obama for shirking his duties as president by hitting the campaign trail.
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Old 16th February 2017, 10:12 AM   #2533
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Originally Posted by newyorkguy View Post
Lowell Weiker was the one who once called Trump a "dirtbag." This was following Trump's attempt at a Congressional hearing in the early 1990s to have the Foxwoods casinos in Connecticut denied a license because of what Trump called pervasive criminal activity by the Native Americans who were organizing the project. When law enforcement people testified that they were not aware of this criminal activity, Trump insisted he knew more than the law enforcement people.

One of the congressman in the hearing called Trump's testimony one of the worst appearances he'd ever seen. (The casino was granted a license and later, Trump solicited their business, hoping to have his management corporation run the casinos. He didn't get the job.)
In the years following Watergate Weicker became less and less of a Republican, and ended up independent. He's the sort of old time main-streeter the party has pretty much abandoned anyway, similar to Jim Jeffords here in Vermont.
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I saw Carter Page interviewed last night on the PBS Newshour -- he's one of Trump's foreign policy advisers who is suspected of coordinating the Russian hacking last summer -- but he categorically denied having any meetings with Russian officials last summer.



He also seemed unaware or unconcerned by some of the allegations surrounding the Putin regime, accusations of stealing hundreds of millions of dollars, orchestrating false charges to imprison people Putin considers "enemies," accusations dozens of dissidents and journalists have been murdered by the Russian government.

The interviewer, Woodruff, asked Page about Russia "having the kind of an agenda that the U.S. could never share, that they’re undermining democracies across Eastern Europe." Page laughed and said we, the U.S., just need to be a bit more understanding.


In reality, Page is heavily involved in the Russian oil and gas industries and this is an area where Putin and his cronies realized huge personal profits during the privatization period. In 2016 Page formed an investment firm with a Russian partner, Sergei Yatsenko, a former Gazprom executive.
I saw that interview and I agree with your assessment entirely.
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Old 16th February 2017, 10:52 AM   #2535
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Where could leaks possibly come from. Trump has the the best, the very best security in-house.
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Days before taking office, President-elect Donald Trump made two surprise calls to the Air Force general managing the Pentagon’s largest weapons program, the Lockheed Martin Corp. F-35 jet.
Listening in on one of those calls was Dennis Muilenburg -- the CEO of Lockheed’s chief rival, Boeing Co.


Trump, who has repeatedly criticized the $379 billion F-35 program as “out of control,” made the highly unusual calls to Lieutenant General Chris Bogdan on Jan. 9 and Jan. 17, according to two people familiar with the matter. Muilenburg, whose company makes a fighter jet Trump has suggested might be an alternative to the F-35, was in the president-elect’s New York office for a meeting during the second call. He appeared caught off-guard but was able to listen in on the call , according to the people, who asked to remain anonymous discussing sensitive information. One of the people said the call was on speakerphone.
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Trump's not wrong about the F-35, but that's just ridiculous.
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Pres Trump takes another win.For the small sacrifice of Flynn, He got the #deepstate to out itself. It's no longer a Conspiracy theory.
Gee.coming from one of this board's most enthusiastic supporters of Putin, this is no surprise.
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I think the press is wising up on how to portray him.

Just let the idiot keep talking.
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Agreed. The way to beat Trump is to show him as totally incompetent.
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Agreed. The way to beat Trump is to show him as totally incompetent.
Won't work. No matter how bad, the true believers will still believe.
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Trump, whose 6 month presidency is soon over, now nostalgic about November
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Won't work. No matter how bad, the true believers will still believe.
Depends what you mean by 'work' surely?

In terms of elect-ability, how many people didn't vote? How many would be motivated now to vote and what would be the split?
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Pres Trump takes another win.For the small sacrifice of Flynn, He got the #deepstate to out itself. It's no longer a Conspiracy theory.
Holy crap! I should have paid more attention to the 'deep state coup'. I made false assumptions it was the standard fear mongering about Trump declaring Martial Law or something and ignored it.

It would appear I've missed a lot. I don't know though, could be perfectly legit alarm on the part of the intelligence community, whoever that is.

Breitbart's take: Virgil: The Deep State Bumps Off General Flynn. Who’s the Next Target?
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The Deep State has done its dirty work, getting rid of Michael Flynn, the now-former national security adviser to President Trump. And so the MSM, having taken direction—even dictation—from the Deep State, is moving in for the kill. The ultimate target, of course, is Trump himself.
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Now talk of an obscure (and never enforced) federal law called the Logan Act is being bandied around by some as grounds for charges being raised against Flynn. The law prohibits U.S. citizens from conducting diplomacy with foreign nations without the consent of the government. Keith Olbermann even dramatically called for Flynn’s immediate arrest. Where were the Logan Act devotees a couple of weeks ago when Sen. John McCain called up the Australian ambassador of his own accord to smooth things over after Trump apparently hung up on the Aussie prime minister during a dispute over refugees?
Unless I'm mistaken, McCain was not acting as a private citizen.


Apparently this Salon opinion writer is indeed buying some of the Breitbart version:
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It’s been clear for months that the U.S. intelligence community opposes even the most benign improvement in relations with Russia. Furthermore, the level of hysteria over Russian influence doesn’t even remotely correspond with the amount or quality of evidence presented to prove the various theories of Russian involvement in the American political system.
Getting scarier.


What does the further left have to say?
Democracy Now: Greenwald: Empowering the "Deep State" to Undermine Trump is Prescription for Destroying Democracy
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Some supporters of Trump, including Breitbart News, have accused the intelligence agencies of attempting to wage a deep state coup against the president. Meanwhile, some critics of Trump are openly embracing such activity. Bill Kristol, the prominent Republican analyst who founded The Weekly Standard, wrote on Twitter, "Obviously strongly prefer normal democratic and constitutional politics. But if it comes to it, prefer the deep state to the Trump state." We talk about the deep state with Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist Glenn Greenwald, co-founder of The Intercept.
OK, now I'm confused. Just how many factions are vying to win the coup here?
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Oh, joy, rapture! What a self-destructive press conference that was just now. Trump was shoe-sizing his IQ for all to see, and proving it's been pure bravado (and cheating) his whole life. Ha, ha, GOP - you voted for that, when everyone else saw it coming!

In other news, he is doubling down on Russia way past the political advantage expiration date. Fuel for the fire.
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Oh my god!
US agencies tasked with guarding against foreign interference are doing their job?
The horror!
That's my POV as well in case my post didn't convey that. But I can see how people create different narratives out of the same evidence.
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I'm here today to update the American people on the incredible progress that has been made in the last four weeks since my inauguration. We have made incredible progress. I don't think there's ever been a president elected who in this short period of time has done what we've done.

A new Rasmussen poll, in fact -- because the people get it -- much of the media doesn't get it. They actually get it, but they don't write it. Let's put it that way. But a new Rasmussen poll just came out just a very short while ago, and it has our approval rating at 55 percent and going up. The stock market has hit record numbers, as you know. And there has been a tremendous surge of optimism in the business world, which is -- to me means something much different than it used to. It used to mean, "Oh, that's good." Now it means, "That's good for jobs." Very different.

Plants and factories are already starting to move back into the United States, and big league -- Ford, General Motors, so many of them. I'm making this presentation directly to the American people, with the media present, which is an honor to have you. This morning, because many of our nation's reporters and folks will not tell you the truth, and will not treat the wonderful people of our country with the respect that they deserve. And I hope going forward we can be a little bit -- a little bit different, and maybe get along a little bit better, if that's possible. Maybe it's not, and that's OK, too.

Unfortunately, much of the media in Washington, D.C., along with New York, Los Angeles in particular, speaks not for the people, but for the special interests and for those profiting off a very, very obviously broken system. The press has become so dishonest that if we don't talk about, we are doing a tremendous disservice to the American people. Tremendous disservice. We have to talk to find out what's going on, because the press honestly is out of control. The level of dishonesty is out of control.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...ence-annotated

Maybe Trump should force "the press" to say "the truth" at gun point since they are clearly out of control!
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Well, it took less than a month...
CNN website headline this morning


Good find.
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Holy crap! I should have paid more attention to the 'deep state coup'. I made false assumptions it was the standard fear mongering about Trump declaring Martial Law or something and ignored it.

It would appear I've missed a lot. I don't know though, could be perfectly legit alarm on the part of the intelligence community, whoever that is.

Breitbart's take: Virgil: The Deep State Bumps Off General Flynn. Who’s the Next Target?

Salon goes along????


Unless I'm mistaken, McCain was not acting as a private citizen.


Apparently this Salon opinion writer is indeed buying some of the Breitbart version:

Getting scarier.


What does the further left have to say?
Democracy Now: Greenwald: Empowering the "Deep State" to Undermine Trump is Prescription for Destroying Democracy

OK, now I'm confused. Just how many factions are vying to win the coup here?

This is why I despise conspiracy kooks, no matter what side of the political spectrum they inhabit.
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Spicer blamed democrats for the failure of getting Puzder confirmed for Sec of Labor. They didn't even have a hearing, for pete's sake! Oh the hypocrisy of the democrats.

It doesn't make any sense. If the democrats had any ability to prevent the confirmation of the cabinet appointees, why didn't they use it for, oh I don't know, Sessions or DeVos or any of the other ones they strongly opposed?

The republicans have control of the Senate, and so it is all in their court. And the problem was, too many republicans were going to oppose him.

Then again, he was supposed to be secretary of Labor for an administration that blusters on and on about illegal immigration and had an immigrant housekeeper paid in cash.

The bigger question is, how could any republicans honestly support him?
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Old 16th February 2017, 12:34 PM   #2550
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Trump apparently had a near meltdown in his news conference this morning:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...ference-235093
God, I am reminded of Captain Queeg again:This time when he melts down when on the stand during the Court Martial. Only thing missing is Trump clicking steel ball bearings in his fingers.....
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QUESTION: I just want to get you to clarify this very important point. Can you say definitively that nobody on your campaign had any contacts with the Russians during the campaign? And on the leaks, is it fake news or are these real leaks?

TRUMP: Well the leaks are real. You're the one that wrote about them and reported them, I mean the leaks are real. You know what they said, you saw it and the leaks are absolutely real. The news is fake because so much of the news is fake. So one thing that I felt it was very important to do -- and I hope we can correct it. Because there's nobody I have more respect for -- well, maybe a little bit but the reporters, good reporters.

It's very important to me and especially in this position. It's very important. I don't mind bad stories. I can handle a bad story better than anybody as long as it's true and, you know, over a course of time, I'll make mistakes and you'll write badly and I'm OK with that. But I'm not OK when it is fake. I mean, I watch CNN, it's so much anger and hatred and just the hatred.

I don't watch it any more because it's very good -- he's saying no. It's OK, Jim (ph). It's OK, Jim (ph), you'll have your chance. But I watch others too. You're not the only one so don't feel badly. But I think it should be straight. I think it should be -- I think it would be frankly more interesting. I know how good everybody's ratings are right now but I think that actually -- I think that'd actually be better.

People -- I mean, you have a lower approval rate than Congress. I think that's right. I don't know, Peter (ph), is that one right? Because you know I think they have lower -- I heard lower than Congress. But honestly, the public would appreciate it, I'd appreciate it -- again, I don't mind bad stories when it's true but we have an administration where the Democrats are making it very difficult.
I think Trump forgot to take his pills this morning.
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I think Trump forgot to take his pills this morning.
"The new is fake because so much of the news is fake."

That there is some real old-style gibberish. Rare to find a fluent speaker in the wild.
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Trump apparently had a near meltdown in his news conference this morning:

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/0...ference-235093
God, I am reminded of Captain Queeg again:This time when he melts down when on the stand during the Court Martial. Only thing missing is Trump clicking steel ball bearings in his fingers.....
I'd like to see it your way, but as long as Trump keeps appealing to his base by demonizing the lying fake media, he's good, considering his considerable ****-ups thus far.
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I'm planning to attend the March for Science on Apr. 22, but at this rate I'm starting to doubt his presidency will last that long.

We're literally not even a month in and the cracks are already starting to show.

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Trump on Twitter: "Leaking, and even illegal classified leaking, has been a big problem in Washington for years. Failing @nytimes (and others) must apologize!"

Isn't this an admission that the NYT story about contacts between his campaign and the Russians is correct?
In today's ramble labeled a press conference Trump said Flynn did nothing wrong, the leaks were wrong. He then went on to say the issue was Flynn lying to Trump.

Wonder how long it will take the press to ask the obvious? Did Trump think Pence was lying to the press then?

Trump also said he would have directed Flynn to talk to the Russians, "I didn't but I would have." Talk about insulating oneself from wrongdoing while pretending nothing wrong was done.
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Originally Posted by alfaniner View Post
I think the press is wising up on how to portray him.

Just let the idiot keep talking.
If we are talking about the press conference that was just on, I must agree. That was damn tough to watch. I could have done a better job - almost anyone here could have.

I don't mind some of the quips and the less than formal way he speaks. But gawdamn get to the point and use complete sentences.

I only saw the last 15 minutes maybe. When the topic of Russia buzzing our ships with their planes came up, he could have said "That's nothing new, they've been doing this for several years, as have the Iranians. Obama has weakened our presence on the world stage and now they are testing me. And the vessel off the coast is business as usual as well, look it up"

Obama trash talked the media as well. Many times he mentioned specific personalities by name, Hannity and others. So I don't have a problem with it, to a degree.

If only Trump had some public speaking skills. He can't even defend himself when (I think) he's right about something.

I am more concerned with policies than I am his behavior and speaking ability though, and I like some of what he's trying to do. But as I said, anyone on this forum could handle these question better than he did today. Hopefully he can learn to represent this country and himself better in this area.

All of this would be okay for a fish-out-of-water President, just less of it please.
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I'd like to see it your way, but as long as Trump keeps appealing to his base by demonizing the lying fake media, he's good, considering his considerable ****-ups thus far.
I agree. His don't trust the media message is well received. This is all in preparation for when the media does dig up something YUGE, it won't be believed.
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I'd like to see it your way, but as long as Trump keeps appealing to his base by demonizing the lying fake media, he's good, considering his considerable ****-ups thus far.
Question is how many of those who voted for him are part of his hardcore base. I think it is smaller then you think.
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All of this would be okay for a fish-out-of-water President, just less of it please.
Yeah lower the bar for success enough and even an incompetent fool like Trump could even become a mediocre president and not an abysmal failure.

It's really jarring to go from an above-average president like Obama and a comical failure such as Trump.
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The worst for me was when he bragged that his Electoral College win was the biggest since Reagan and had to be fact-checked on the spot.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b045cd34bfa8e9
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