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Old 8th February 2019, 05:54 PM   #681
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Originally Posted by acbytesla View Post
It's all Big Daddy's fault. What is this? Cat on a Hot Tin Roof?
Well, you sure as hell can sniff the smell of mendacity coming from the White House.
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Old 8th February 2019, 06:34 PM   #682
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Amazing how fast right-wingers suddenly care about offending minorities when the offending party is not their own.
Oh, you were offended?
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Old 8th February 2019, 06:36 PM   #683
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Well, you sure as hell can sniff the smell of mendacity coming from the White House.
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Old 8th February 2019, 06:39 PM   #684
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
We now have a second accuser against the Lt. Governor.
IMHO Fairfax might well be the first to go. What is accused of is a lot worse then the blackface scandals.
Not just a second accuser but one that claims to have contemporaneous evidence. He's toast or RBG's replacement; it's hard to tell in these times.
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Old 8th February 2019, 06:49 PM   #685
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
Oh, you were offended?
Hmm, that was a very weak rejoinder. It's not even a reply to what I said; just cobbling the words together. You can do better than that.
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Old 8th February 2019, 11:45 PM   #686
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
And that's fine that you don't care about this. The problem is that you're extending that to everyone else and saying they shouldn't care, either. The Democrats did that in 2016, telling everyone to overlook their problems with Clinton. How'd that work out? If the goal is to draw people toward your party ordering them not to feel a certain way about something is not going to work. 'You think X is bad? Well, don't think that way, and vote for X! Because I know better!' You have to at least pretend to listen to the people you're conning into supporting you, even the Republicans know that much.
It worked out three million votes more, so pretty good I'd say.
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Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey View Post
It worked out three million votes more, so pretty good I'd say.
Yes, she barely lost the election. I suppose that's close enough to a victory to keep the status quo. More of the same! If they keep doing the same thing forever they're bound to get different results eventually.
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Old 9th February 2019, 12:17 AM   #688
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Dems tell Fairfax to step down

Despite the fact that Justin Fairfax insists that these sexual assault allegations are not only false, but are part of an orchestrated smear campaign against him, ALL of the Democrat members in the Virginia Senate and House have issued a statement demanding Fairfax step down.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/08/p...ign/index.html

Fairfax probably should step down here because its all about his state, not about him. If he truly cares about the State of Virginia, he should be doing what is right for that state. However, there is another issue here.

What if he does step down, and after an investigation, it turns out that he was right? What if it turns out that the whole thing is an orchestrated smear campaign, and that there is no truth to any of the allegations against him? Well, it would be too late wouldn't it. .... he's gone, lost his appointment without due process, and those who orchestrated the smear campaign have succeeded.

IMO there needs to be some mechanism, protocol or procedure which allows a person in an office like this to temporarily suspend himself from his position while deals with the allegation. Then if he is exonerated, he resumes his office. It seems to me to be manifestly unfair for someone in this position to have been removed from office with, as it turned out later, no good cause.

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NOTE: I would like to point out the stark contrast between what the Virginia House and Senate Democrats have done here and what US Senate Republicans did during Drunky McRapeface's SCOTUS confirmation hearings. It would have been the easiest thing in the world for Republican Senators to say "OK, these are serious allegations that must be subjected to a full and proper FBI investigation". We all know why they didn't do that, and we saw the shameful way they attacked the victim.
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Old 9th February 2019, 07:14 AM   #689
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Despite the fact that Justin Fairfax insists that these sexual assault allegations are not only false, but are part of an orchestrated smear campaign against him, ALL of the Democrat members in the Virginia Senate and House have issued a statement demanding Fairfax step down.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/08/p...ign/index.html

Fairfax probably should step down here because its all about his state, not about him. If he truly cares about the State of Virginia, he should be doing what is right for that state. However, there is another issue here.

What if he does step down, and after an investigation, it turns out that he was right? What if it turns out that the whole thing is an orchestrated smear campaign, and that there is no truth to any of the allegations against him? Well, it would be too late wouldn't it. .... he's gone, lost his appointment without due process, and those who orchestrated the smear campaign have succeeded.

IMO there needs to be some mechanism, protocol or procedure which allows a person in an office like this to temporarily suspend himself from his position while deals with the allegation. Then if he is exonerated, he resumes his office. It seems to me to be manifestly unfair for someone in this position to have been removed from office with, as it turned out later, no good cause.

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NOTE: I would like to point out the stark contrast between what the Virginia House and Senate Democrats have done here and what US Senate Republicans did during Drunky McRapeface's SCOTUS confirmation hearings. It would have been the easiest thing in the world for Republican Senators to say "OK, these are serious allegations that must be subjected to a full and proper FBI investigation". We all know why they didn't do that, and we saw the shameful way they attacked the victim.
I do want to point out that his statements since being accused are making him look more guilty. His claim that the Washington Post found inconsistencies in Tyson's story is not true, for instance.
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Originally Posted by smartcooky View Post
Despite the fact that Justin Fairfax insists that these sexual assault allegations are not only false, but are part of an orchestrated smear campaign against him, ALL of the Democrat members in the Virginia Senate and House have issued a statement demanding Fairfax step down.

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/02/08/p...ign/index.html

Fairfax probably should step down here because its all about his state, not about him. If he truly cares about the State of Virginia, he should be doing what is right for that state. However, there is another issue here.

What if he does step down, and after an investigation, it turns out that he was right? What if it turns out that the whole thing is an orchestrated smear campaign, and that there is no truth to any of the allegations against him? Well, it would be too late wouldn't it. .... he's gone, lost his appointment without due process, and those who orchestrated the smear campaign have succeeded.

IMO there needs to be some mechanism, protocol or procedure which allows a person in an office like this to temporarily suspend himself from his position while deals with the allegation. Then if he is exonerated, he resumes his office. It seems to me to be manifestly unfair for someone in this position to have been removed from office with, as it turned out later, no good cause.

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NOTE: I would like to point out the stark contrast between what the Virginia House and Senate Democrats have done here and what US Senate Republicans did during Drunky McRapeface's SCOTUS confirmation hearings. It would have been the easiest thing in the world for Republican Senators to say "OK, these are serious allegations that must be subjected to a full and proper FBI investigation". We all know why they didn't do that, and we saw the shameful way they attacked the victim.

Brett Kavanaugh got his FBI investigation, of course Justin Fairfax should be treated equally and receive his as well.
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Old 9th February 2019, 01:52 PM   #691
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
Brett Kavanaugh got his FBI investigation, of course Justin Fairfax should be treated equally and receive his as well.
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Sure. Which four people should the FBI be allowed to talk to this weekend?
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Old 9th February 2019, 01:58 PM   #692
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
Brett Kavanaugh got his FBI investigation, of course Justin Fairfax should be treated equally and receive his as well.
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Sure. Which four people should the FBI be allowed to talk to this weekend?
Does his accuser need testify on TV and be ridiculed before deciding that it doesn't really matter?
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Old 9th February 2019, 02:05 PM   #693
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I do want to point out that his statements since being accused are making him look more guilty. His claim that the Washington Post found inconsistencies in Tyson's story is not true, for instance.
That may be so, but he is still entitled to due process (even Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer were entitled to due process), and if that due process clears him of any wrongdoing, he should at at the very least be reinstated to office.

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Brett Kavanaugh got his FBI investigation, of course Justin Fairfax should be treated equally and receive his as well.
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The FBI did not interview any one of the four women (Christine Blasey-Ford, Deborah Ramirez, Julie Swetnick and one other who, wisely as it has turned out, chose to remain anonymous) who claimed to be victims.

The FBI did not interview any of Drunky McRapeface's drinking buddies, and that includes Mark Judge, the guy who Christine Ford claimed assisted the attempted rape.

The FBI did not interview any of the several dozen people who rang their local FBI offices with information to offer.... they didn't even follow up in any way on these people.

This is not what an FBI investigation looks like, its what a Senate Republican whitewash looks like.. The scope was so severely limited that it was specifically set to NOT find any wrong doing.

FOUR WOMEN COMPLAINED THEY WERE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY THIS DRUNKEN BASTARD, and the GOP did NOTHING about it other than what they usually do... cover up for their friends (see Jeffrey Epstein)
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That may be so, but he is still entitled to due process (even Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer were entitled to due process), and if that due process clears him of any wrongdoing, he should at at the very least be reinstated to office.



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The FBI did not interview any one of the four women (Christine Blasey-Ford, Deborah Ramirez, Julie Swetnick and one other who, wisely as it has turned out, chose to remain anonymous) who claimed to be victims.

The FBI did not interview any of Drunky McRapeface's drinking buddies, and that includes Mark Judge, the guy who Christine Ford claimed assisted the attempted rape.

The FBI did not interview any of the several dozen people who rang their local FBI offices with information to offer.... they didn't even follow up in any way on these people.

This is not what an FBI investigation looks like, its what a Senate Republican whitewash looks like.. The scope was so severely limited that it was specifically set to NOT find any wrong doing.

FOUR WOMEN COMPLAINED THEY WERE SEXUALLY ASSAULTED BY THIS DRUNKEN BASTARD, and the GOP did NOTHING about it other than what they usually do... cover up for their friends (see Jeffrey Epstein)
I'm sure the FBI will do a good job investigating Fairfax. Perhaps Northram deserves one as well.

According to this article, you're stretching the truth about who did or did not get interviewed in Brett's investigation. The internet has a way of keeping people honest you know:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rd/1518867002/

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Virginia is for lovers.....of blackface
Actually saw this on a bumper sticker today. That was fast
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A Washington Post poll has found that Virginians are split on whether Northam should resign (47-47). However, a majority of African-Americans (58-37) think that he should NOT resign.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.b963f1c06c19
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The Dems have conditioned their voters well, that's the plantation mentality they have crafted, better the racists you know than the racists you don't know
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
I'm sure the FBI will do a good job investigating Fairfax. Perhaps Northram deserves one as well.

According to this article, you're stretching the truth about who did or did not get interviewed in Brett's investigation. The internet has a way of keeping people honest you know:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rd/1518867002/

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Yeah, it sure keeps those rapey racist Republicans honest, doesn't it?

Kavanaugh was accused by at least 4 women to have sexually assaulted them while drunk.
He remembers he DIDN'T do it, but cannot remember everything.

That ridiculous calendar should have been laughed out of court,
like the diary of that one teenager from Alabama the pedophile "dated".

"The internet keeps one honest" is pretty funny coming from the
"I got evidence of Bigfoot, but I'm saving it for reasons."

This is about crimes of assault, not some made up monkey man.

He lied about being old enough to drink in that state.
Why?

If he were a Democrat, they would want to hang him by sunset for
breaking the legal age drinking laws.

They got their Supreme Court justice by cheating and dirty tricks.
His screaming about the Clintons and a conspiracy against his drunk @ss
was shameful.
That alone should have disqualified him for temperament.

I was a drinker, and he acted as if he got hugely drunk the night before.
Still drunk and angry for feeling bad.




Never mind.
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Originally Posted by ChrisBFRPKY View Post
I'm sure the FBI will do a good job investigating Fairfax. Perhaps Northram deserves one as well.

According to this article, you're stretching the truth about who did or did not get interviewed in Brett's investigation. The internet has a way of keeping people honest you know:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...rd/1518867002/

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OK, I got a couple of facts wrong.... mea culpa, however

This does not explain why the primary complainant, Christine Ford was not interviewed by the FBI
This does not explain why another of the complainants, Julie Swetnick, was not interviewed by the FBI
This does not explain why dozens of others who offered to come forward with information to offer, were ignored by the FBI... these include

► Kenneth Appold, a suitmate of Kavanaugh, who says he is "one-hundred-per-cent certain" that he was told the culprit was Kavanaugh. Appold has tried to share this story with the FBI, but they ignored him.

► An unnamed classmate of Kavanaugh's at Georgetown Prep now strongly challenges Kavanaugh's assertions under oath.While he has not been named, the New Yorker has confirmed that he put his name on a statement to the FBI and the Judiciary Committee. The FBI have not spoken to him

► James Roche, one of Kavanaugh's roommates at Yale, has written a piece for Slate that claims Kavanaugh lied under oath about his use of slang and his drinking. He offered to give more details to the FBI. He never heard back from them.

► NBC News reports that the FBI has not contacted dozens of people who could potentially corroborate the allegations against Kavanaugh or testify to his behaviour at the time. This includes many people who knew either Ford or Ramirez at the time, and people who approached the FBI offering information.

► Kavanagh himself was not interviewed by the FBI at any time after the allegations came out. I find it incredible beyond belief that in any investigation of an alleged rape, neither the alleged rapist nor the alleged victim were ever interviewed. When does that ever happen.... has it ever happened before

You cant investigate a historical crime with a time limit of a week. There was no hurry to seat Drunky on SCOTUS. A full and proper investigation should have been carried out, not one that was designed to hide from the truth.

I expect Virginia Law Enforcement to fully investigate these rape and sexual assault allegations against Fairfax. I hope they do a better job than the crap job the FBI did (or were forced to do) in investigating Drunky McRapeface.
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A Washington Post poll has found that Virginians are split on whether Northam should resign (47-47). However, a majority of African-Americans (58-37) think that he should NOT resign.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.b963f1c06c19
Holy Cow!. He can probably claim a mandate from that.

Do they have any such a thing in the USA as"calling an early election"?

Can he call a new election for Governor, then step down and run as a candidate in that election.
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I expect Virginia Law Enforcement to fully investigate these rape and sexual assault allegations against Fairfax.
Going to be difficult for them since neither incident took place in Virginia; one was in Boston and the other at Duke University in North Carolina.
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Going to be difficult for them since neither incident took place in Virginia; one was in Boston and the other at Duke University in North Carolina.
So, that the Feds then. Or will MA and NC police have to have separate investigations.
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Holy Cow!. He can probably claim a mandate from that.

Do they have any such a thing in the USA as"calling an early election"?

Can he call a new election for Governor, then step down and run as a candidate in that election.
In the US, all elected offices are for a fixed time period and elections occur at regularly scheduled times. In Virginia, the governor can only serve one term.
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Originally Posted by TellyKNeasuss View Post
A Washington Post poll has found that Virginians are split on whether Northam should resign (47-47). However, a majority of African-Americans (58-37) think that he should NOT resign.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/local...=.b963f1c06c19
I think this just goes to show that people don't care all that much about this stuff. If it had been recent might be different. 35 years is a long time.
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Going to be difficult for them since neither incident took place in Virginia; one was in Boston and the other at Duke University in North Carolina.
A lot of forgeinters have some problem understsnding how our federal system works. They are used to states or provinces being just administrative conveinces for a extremelty strong centroal government. It does not work the way in the us.
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I think The Lt.Governor is toast if the charges hold up. What he is accused of is a lot more serous then what Northam is accused of;it's an actual crime for one thing.
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I think this just goes to show that people don't care all that much about this stuff. If it had been recent might be different. 35 years is a long time.

If it was a Republican, you would be singing a different tune, methinks.
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And Northam put his foot in his mouth with his Indentured Servents comment. Dammit, A governor of Virginia should know his state's history better then that.
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Old 10th February 2019, 04:11 PM   #709
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If it was a Republican, you would be singing a different tune, methinks.
They probably would to a degree. But that would partly because of the policies of the Republican party. Fairly or unfairly, it would confirm the stereotype. But virtually no one from the GOP would be demanding he resign.
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Old 10th February 2019, 04:46 PM   #710
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If it was a Republican, you would be singing a different tune, methinks.
Yes, because the top VA GOP Senator's similar offences sure do have the Democrats up in arms, don't they?


Wait, what? Not even a mention in this thread? Darn, perhaps your both-sides glasses might be out of whack?
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Old 10th February 2019, 05:33 PM   #711
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
And Northam put his foot in his mouth with his Indentured Servents comment. Dammit, A governor of Virginia should know his state's history better then that.
He seems to wake up every morning, load his Glock and say, "Hmmm? Which foot did I shoot myself in yesterday?" Is there a substance abuse problem? The fiasco of the reversal of his confession was horribly managed. This statement was beyond comprehension. It's like he read the polls that showed that blacks were less in favor of him stepping down and he said, "Oh, yeah? We'll see about that!"
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Old 10th February 2019, 05:49 PM   #712
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Yes, because the top VA GOP Senator's similar offences sure do have the Democrats up in arms, don't they?


Wait, what? Not even a mention in this thread? Darn, perhaps your both-sides glasses might be out of whack?
It has been brought up here already a day or two ago. There are modest differences; the state senator was an editor of a yearbook which included photos of people in blackface but not himself or on his page.
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Yes, because the top VA GOP Senator's similar offences sure do have the Democrats up in arms, don't they?


Wait, what? Not even a mention in this thread? Darn, perhaps your both-sides glasses might be out of whack?
Oooh, so close but yet still so very very far
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So, how about this guy? Should he resign? Yeah, I know it's the other Virginia.

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Old 10th February 2019, 07:53 PM   #715
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
And Northam put his foot in his mouth with his Indentured Servents comment. Dammit, A governor of Virginia should know his state's history better then that.
Actually, the first Africans brought to Virginia were treated as indentured servants, as there were no laws concerning slavery then - Northram got this one right. You can read a bit more about this at PBS' website.
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So, how about this guy? Should he resign? Yeah, I know it's the other Virginia.

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It has been brought up here already a day or two ago. There are modest differences; the state senator was an editor of a yearbook which included photos of people in blackface but not himself or on his page.
My apologies, I must have missed it, but yeah the state senator clearly had more control of whether blackface pictures were included in a yearbook than Northam did.

Still, the fact that those not up in arms over Northam are also not up in arms over Norment kinda shoots holes in the "you're only not upset because partisan" claim dubalb made.
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Actually, the first Africans brought to Virginia were treated as indentured servants, as there were no laws concerning slavery then - Northram got this one right. You can read a bit more about this at PBS' website.
Well, technically, when speaking of the earliest settlers he got it correct, but having to be reminded by the interviewer that "slavery" was kinda a thing, also, does leave a mark.
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Old 11th February 2019, 06:27 AM   #719
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Yeah, it sure keeps those rapey racist Republicans honest, doesn't it?

Kavanaugh was accused by at least 4 women to have sexually assaulted them while drunk.
He remembers he DIDN'T do it, but cannot remember everything.

That ridiculous calendar should have been laughed out of court,
like the diary of that one teenager from Alabama the pedophile "dated".

"The internet keeps one honest" is pretty funny coming from the
"I got evidence of Bigfoot, but I'm saving it for reasons."

This is about crimes of assault, not some made up monkey man.

He lied about being old enough to drink in that state.
Why?

If he were a Democrat, they would want to hang him by sunset for
breaking the legal age drinking laws.

They got their Supreme Court justice by cheating and dirty tricks.
His screaming about the Clintons and a conspiracy against his drunk @ss
was shameful.
That alone should have disqualified him for temperament.

I was a drinker, and he acted as if he got hugely drunk the night before.
Still drunk and angry for feeling bad.




Never mind.
Wow. I thought we lived in a Country where when someone is accused of something illegal they're investigated to determine if a crime was committed then if evidence is found that supports the accusation, they're arrested and have a day in Court.

I realize the Left has degenerated into such a frenzy of Fake purity they're now feeding on their own and I can't help but laugh at the foolishness.

Kavanaugh was accused, investigated, and there was no evidence to support the accusations. We call that innocence. A presumption of guilt in spite of the facts, based on political bias, doesn't hold well with reality.

Fairfax has been accused so let's see what an investigation finds. I'm willing to give him a presumption of innocence until the facts are found in this case. According to your post, this is something you're unwilling to do even after the facts are found.........

If you want to talk about Bigfoot, there are threads for that here. I've never claimed to have undeniable evidence of Bigfoot. So if you wish to point out any inconsistencies in any of my posts about Bigfoot in those threads please feel free to do so there. You can't.

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Now some key staffers are bailing on Fairfax. Another sign he is not going to survive.
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