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Old 30th May 2016, 12:56 PM   #1
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French people's energy: 6/8 refineries, 16/19 nuclear plants affected by strikes

"A bit" underreported, in France a third of gas stations are in immediate danger of running out of fuel, electricity blackouts have already happened in medium size infrastructure, all over a neoliberal law about "reform" of working rights that wants to impose on the French people what most Europeans are used to at least a decade or two already, and most Americans might think is godgiven. Further escalation ahead, with public transportation about to join the strike and the European Futbol Championship which starts in ten days or so explicit target if the government, which just extended emergency laws imposed after the Paris terrorist attacks, doesn't drop the law. Support among the people around 60-70%.

http://www.heise.de/tp/artikel/48/48362/1.html (German)
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016.../stri-m23.html
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2016.../fren-m28.html

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Old 30th May 2016, 01:23 PM   #2
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I am aware of the situation and it does not matter if the American think it is OK or the same exists in other countries. The fact is that it is a huge step backward. If you want to get more competitive and race toward the bottom, good for you, although I have a bad new for you : the bottom is very deep. It seems quite clear that many don't like the idea.
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Old 31st May 2016, 11:38 PM   #3
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As the saying goes: "When it rains in Paris it drips in Brussels"

Two weeks ago the Belgian government introduced a similar bill to the Loi El Khomri (abolition of 35 hours workweek in France) dubbed the "Loi Peeters" which is the abolition of the 38 hours workweek in Belgium.

In Belgium there's an ongoing wildcat (general) strike from the railways for over a week now, including yours truly - I'm on the wrong side of the "language border" though, in this part of Belgium we're in a minority. It's been spreading like wildfire, with many more public services joining in over the past couple of days. This after the jailers have been on strike for 5 weeks now, and a couple of days ago the police who were replacing them have also gone on strike. The army is taking over the functions, but they also refused to do some thing outside of their legal capabilities, so now the police is being requisitioned(?) to guard the prisons.

Down with the French and Belgian governments!
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Old 2nd June 2016, 01:47 AM   #4
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The French government want the French people to work more?

Which jobs aren't getting done then?
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Originally Posted by Aepervius View Post
I am aware of the situation and it does not matter if the American think it is OK or the same exists in other countries. The fact is that it is a huge step backward. If you want to get more competitive and race toward the bottom, good for you, although I have a bad new for you : the bottom is very deep. It seems quite clear that many don't like the idea.

What, you mean you don't want to work yourself to death so that the top 1% can live like gods on Earth? Commie!
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It's so unfair of the government to expect people to work enough so that they pay enough taxes to support the government and all of its programs.

Why don't they adopt the Greek model and just borrow the shortfall from Germany and then renege when it comes time to pay it back?
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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
the European Futbol Championship which starts in ten days
A promotional video for the championship made by the protestors.

"Sabordons l'Euro 2016!"
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Originally Posted by caveman1917 View Post
A promotional video for the championship made by the protestors.

"Sabordons l'Euro 2016!"

They seem to be skilled at several sports.

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Originally Posted by Childlike Empress View Post
They seem to be skilled at several sports.

http://i.imgur.com/Yzi2VXz.jpg
Ah yes, tear gas tennis. It's a heck of a lot of a fun, you should try it

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Usual number of far lefties who don't understand basic economics.
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Usual number of far lefties who don't understand basic economics.
What do you mean don't understand basic economics? Have you tried Marxist Business Consulting?
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Usual number of far lefties who don't understand basic economics.

Baloney.

France will survive and do just fine.

Deal.
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Originally Posted by WildCat View Post
It's so unfair of the government to expect people to work enough so that they pay enough taxes to support the government and all of its programs.

Why don't they adopt the Greek model and just borrow the shortfall from Germany and then renege when it comes time to pay it back?
It was originally implemented under the now-disproven theory that if you restrict how many hours people work, perforce the economy must hire more people to get the same amount of work done.

Of course, people loved their shorter work weeks and don't wanna give that up, so it's taken over as the rationale.
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The government should nationalize it! Socialized, single-payer video game development and sales now! More, cheaper, better games, right? Right?
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Central demonstration on Tuesday in Paris saw one million people attend according to the organizers, 70-80.000 according to the police. Some interviews with people on the ground - introduction is in German so I made the video jump to start after that. As everywhere, it's clear that one of the most powerful enemies they face, despite the usual tear gas orgies by the French police, is the corrupt corporate media.

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A picture from the port of Le Havre which is also down now:


And another perspective on the demonstration.
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French government threatens ban on protests against labor law

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On Wednesday, following the broad mobilization of workers in Tuesday’s protest against the Socialist Party (PS) government’s regressive labor law, President François Hollande and Prime Minister Manuel Valls threatened to impose an outright ban on further protests against the law.
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A perennial favorite of mine:

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You just love to lick boots, don't you?
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You just love to lick boots, don't you?
Nonsense. I love having my boots licked.
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In fairness to Jules, sometimes it's tough to separate "I've got mine, **** off" from "Spank me harder, corporate master!"
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In fairness to Jules, sometimes it's tough to separate "I've got mine, **** off" from "Spank me harder, corporate master!"
I hear you, comrade.
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I still want to know which jobs aren't getting done such that this legislation has to happen.
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I think that if Ziggurat loves flames licking his boots that people may as well indulge him.
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I think that if Ziggurat loves flames licking his boots that people may as well indulge him.
Right behind you, comrade! You tell those kulaks!
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And some American wonder why they are so much "liked". As if french were not as hard working as them.

Let me tell you a little dirty secret that my American colleague - all of them - admitted. You may work 10h per day, but from that you do a quantity of work, which is quasi identical to the one we do in 8h (not only French but also German etc...).

In other word , when you mathematically integrate the work quantity over time, you find out it is quasi identical no matter the number of hours for an average white collar person. Heck in my industry, you find out that the average American (*) actually do more error with longer crunch time day, so in the end those very long work day have a negative value impact.

So what is the difference ? Some American take pride into pretending they work longer means they realize more stuff than others, and especially take pride into pretending others are lazy bum. And make such wonderful picture like above to ensure stereotype about themselves being imbecile do not die out. And spread those pictures.

PS: working longer is not illegal. It just has to be justly compensated, which is why the perception is that it is forbidden. It isn't. Just as well as many of the other "perceived" forbidden stuff like firing somebody is allowed there is just a cadre of laws telling when it is or when it isn't.

(*) it is actually true for *anybody* working long crunch time hour or longer hour, but since American "work" longer per day in average longer than other countries....

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And some American wonder why they are so much "liked". As if french were not as hard working as them.
Is a sense of humor illegal in France?
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Right behind you, comrade!
You love your boots being licked, that's your decision, but don't come stand right behind me - I don't want to catch fire as well.
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You love your boots being licked
Leave my kinks out of this.
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And some American wonder why they are so much "liked". As if french were not as hard working as them.
As if working hard is something to aspire to.
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You love your boots being licked
Leave my kinks out of this.
You brought it up:

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I love having my boots licked.
Now I don't judge or anything, hence why I think that people may as well indulge you in it (the picture is from Greece but in France now people also assist with flames licking boots), all I'm saying is just don't come stand right behind me with those burning boots.
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Now I don't judge or anything, hence why I think that people may as well indulge you in it (the picture is from Greece but in France now people also assist with flames licking boots), all I'm saying is just don't come stand right behind me with those burning boots.
Pyromania isn't my kink, it's the leftist revolutionaries who get aroused by the sight of flames.
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Yeah,someone here is drinking the Marxist Koo Aid big time.
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It's on again. Over the weekend Paris saw "the worst riots since 1968":

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It's on again. Over the weekend Paris saw "the worst riots since 1968":

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I don't think that ("worst riots since 1968") is right or even close to right. The 2005 riots come to mind, for one, and there are many many others.
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I don't think that ("worst riots since 1968") is right or even close to right. The 2005 riots come to mind, for one, and there are many many others.

Well, maybe "worst" is not the right word. WSWS uses "most significant" since 1968.

The difference seems to be that this time these aren't marginalized youth with north african background setting random cars on fire in the banlieues, these are Jacques and Francois taking over places in the city centers, like the Arc de Triomphe for the third week-end in a row, in flash mob style but somewhat organized.
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[...] French police used violence and mass arrests in a failed attempt to intimidate the participants. Across France, there were 412 arrests, including 287 in Paris, where dozens were wounded. Since Saturday, 378 people have been placed in preventive detention, including 33 minors. In Marseille, where clashes with police lasted until the evening, 21 were arrested.

In Paris, riot police blocked traffic and shut down mass transit across much of the downtown area from 6 a.m., setting up identity checks and systematically searching protesters. At about 9 a.m., a few hours before the protests were scheduled to start, riot police began firing volleys of tear gas and assaulting protesters on the Place de l’Étoile, around the Arc de Triumph, at the western end of the Champs-Elysées avenue.

Protesters chanting “Macron resign” spread into streets adjacent to the Champs-Elysées, where they were assaulted by police. As they tried to build barricades, riot police responded by firing volleys of tear gas, as well as stun grenades, rubber bullets and water cannon.

Clashes rapidly erupted across the city. Cars, a LCL bank branch, the stock exchange and the Jeu de Paume art museum were burned, and the metal gates of the Tuileries gardens were smashed. Videos posted by protesters on social media showed some carrying out violent acts. These were most likely plainclothes policemen acting as provocateurs. They donned yellow vests and attacked luxury cars or shops, and then moved away to speak calmly and amiably to the police.

WSWS reporters in Paris spoke to “yellow vest” protesters, who came from the far Paris suburbs and from the provinces, to oppose Macron. Pierre said, [...]
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I think we can conclude that we are not going to save the environment with a small fuel tax then?

Man, I wonder what this means for all the other lifestyle changes we will have to make to not totally destroy the climate.
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The gov got scared enough to give in to the initial demand now: The fuel tax rise just got suspended for six months in which "proper debate" is supposed to take place.

Questionable if this will be enough at this stage, given the bizarre "riot police" violence and Micron's super-arrogant statements during the recent weeks. His approval rate is about half of Trump's.
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I think we can conclude that we are not going to save the environment with a small fuel tax then?

Man, I wonder what this means for all the other lifestyle changes we will have to make to not totally destroy the climate.
Stop cutting down all the pollution absorbing trees.
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