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All these families were not fleeing violence in their countries in these numbers until a decade ago, the problem is getting worse, and the US has contributed to the problem.
NatGeo 2014: American-Born Gangs Helping Drive Immigrant Crisis at U.S. Border
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But the Trump et al response is worse, denying anyone refuge, keeping them from getting here, and using brown people as the fear mongering mantra to lead the alt-white masses. They have no sense of the US complicity in the mess. But just as important, you can't simply wall it off and pretend it doesn't involve the US.
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Didn't Bill Clinton start this.
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Democrats are going about this all wrong.
If they want Republicans to stand up and start screaming about the inhumane treatment of children, then all they need to do is rename "cage" to "uterus". You'll suddenly see millions of Republicans jumping up on their soapboxes bursting veins in their foreheads about saving all the beautiful babies. |
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In the House hearing today on the Horowitz IG report, one of the Congresswomen gave a spiel on how awful the splitting of families was rather than ask questions about the Clinton email investigation. The Republican Congressman who followed said abortion was a real tragedy, not the immigrant family separation.
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Wolf Blitzer is trying to get through to Tom Homan, acting director of ICE.
A tale of two realities: Homan: 80% don't come back to the hearing Blitzer: It's less than 25% Homan: It's the parents that are the abusers He also thinks they're all faking it, they've been taught what to say in the hearings They should go to ports of entry Blitzer: Apparently doesn't know they can't get in in the ports of entry. Also he did a poor job of describing why these waves of immigrants are coming here. The alt-white believe the immigrants are all coming because they think they get a free ride here. |
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Yep, that's part of the problem too. We've been an atrocious country for a very long time.
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Is this the point where we can stop pretending that conservatives have any shred of humanity in them? Is creating child concentration camps intended only for cruelty the line they cross when we write them off as human beings worth sharing a nation with?
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True. I only pointed out Eisenhower because of the tendency of some to want to shift blame for policies being implemented right now. If someone else implemented them, or opened the door for them, in the past, that doesn't in any way excuse the evil being perpetrated by the monsters in power today.
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If we're going to be honest, this catastrophe falls squarely on the shoulders of the first Democrat ever. And that Democrat's name was Jesus.
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Not the first time.
I'll bring up Native American kids being kidnapped and sent to boarding schools, since that's usually overlooked in these cases. |
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On a more serious note, for those who claim that the child detention policy is the result of human trafficking concerns: Do you really believe that for every single child being detained, there is a reasonable suspicion of human smuggling?
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I like to try it as a thought experiment, imaging exactly how people are supposed to get their kids. If they are put on the next transit to, say, Guatemala, what precise procedure is going to ensure family unity? Because unless it's spelled out, you know there are going to be ad hoc "solutions" that don't always work.
Maybe all family members are having their fingerprints scanned. That might help. |
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On Fox, Corey Lewandowski mocks America separating a 10-year old girl with Down Syndrome from her family: "Womp womp"
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I wonder if anyone here is interested in these facts. Maybe the Dems are in support of the smugglers.
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Well, you certainly seem to be discrediting the opinion of people who object to the policy of separating families by pointing out that some of them favor abortion. An intelligent person might question why such a connection is made and might, with some thought, be able to figure out what I was asking.
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Logger, maybe you can answer this question: Do you really believe that for every single child being detained, there is a reasonable suspicion of human smuggling?
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Have Trump's children had DNA tests? Have yours? Why not?
2-3% of US children are the product of infidelity. Are you going to tell these parents they are not "real" parents and enforce different custody arrangements? If not (and I hope not) why would you do this to immigrants? |
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That is absolutely the way law enforcement works in this country. Cops don't pull over random people because they might be in a stolen car. They don't get to confiscate people's guns because they might be murder weapons.
All I'm saying is that if a government agent is going to place a child in custody, they should have a reasonable suspicion that the child was the victim of or perpetrator of a crime. Feel free to disagree with that one if you want. |
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