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They both made a good job of highlighting that Trump is isolated, politically. This won't convince the Trumpsters that he is in the wrong, but then nothing ever could.
Most importantly, they were brief and sounded pragmatic - they made a good case of being the adults in the room. |
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Before you say something stupid about climate change, check this list. "If we extend unlimited tolerance even to those who are intolerant, if we are not prepared to defend a tolerant society against the onslaught of the intolerant, then the tolerant will be destroyed, and tolerance with them. " Karl Popper, The Open Society and Its Enemies Vol. 1 |
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I propose that the US either drop states altogether and function as a single entity, or drop the federal system and just let the states govern themselves in a more open union. Tell you what, the northern, eastern and western states can try the full federal option and the central and southern states can try a confederacy. Come back with your results.
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#366 |
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I have to at least partly concur with Prestige's line of argument here: knowing he would shutdown without funding for his ridiculous wall, do you think that the shutdown is a lesser evil or not?
You seem to disagree with the shutdown AND with funding the wall to avoid said shutdown. Trump's the president, so what's the third option? If it's "wait him out", then shutdown is your choice. |
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If you really believe so, then you should be sufficiently informed to know that the 'problem' with illigal immigration is that people who enter the country legally overstay their visas. They don't sneak in from behind bushes.
Sometimes it seems to me like they weren't quite as adept at crafting government as some people make them out to be. Indeed, though one should note that if everyone is prosperous, you might see the value of your income go down substantially. If that's an acceptable deal, then fine. |
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Belz, I don't know. I do disagree with both. I find it obscene that Trump has decided to play this game. It is reckless and dangerous. I'm also not sure what is the wisest course of action in dealing with the crazy man. I'm afraid, he'll do this again if he gets his way.
There simply isn't a good choice. |
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I think the fact that they were so certain to put specific methods (outside of the traiditonal lovely methods of coups and revolutions) into the highest law of the land for how to, within the system, change every part of the highest law of the land often gets missed.
Outside of putting a giant flashing neon sign over the Constitution that said "SUBJECT TO FUTURE REVISION" I don't know how the Founding Fathers could have made "Hey guys feel free to change anything we've put down that doesn't work in the future" any clearer. |
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Of course he proved it is a winning negotiating strategy. Makes using it when ever you want to win great.
And of course McConnell isn't even letting them vote on the bill Trump vetoed so that they could fund the government by overriding Trump. So there are plenty of workable ways that the government could be reopened with out the wall, that Trump couldn't even get his own party to support. Why blame the democrats for what is clearly the republicans doing? If McConnell just let the previous funding bill come to a vote in this congress it would be easy. |
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I really had to work hard not to laugh out loud at my workdesk, now.
McConnell is possibly most responsible for the current state of affairs in US politics out of anyone in the last 20 years. They do make for great entertainment. |
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Nor with me, but when you're dealing with the intransigent, what are your options? Which one do you take? You can complain about them all you want but at the end of the day you have to choose and stay the course.
The point isn't the zero sum game. It's that if the country's prosperous, wages will go up. A lot. And your 5$ shirt won't cost 5$ dollars anymore. Sure, jobs might come back into the country, but you'll have to accept that, because everything made everywhere costs more, you'll effectively be poorer. Would that be a better world? Probably. But the point is to understand the consequences of actions and accept them. |
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I think it's up to Congress and the Senate to just build a wall around Donald Trump.
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Government shutdown stops FDA food safety inspections
NBC: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/healt...ctions-n956716
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A post... errrr "grunt work" world (probably a better name for it) is one of those things that it's a lot easier to imagine living in then imaging living in the transitional period it takes to get to that world.
Everybody wants to live in a world where nobody has to do dangerous, boring, unpleasant, etc jobs. Nobody wants to in the world those jobs still exist but there's not enough of them to go around so some people have to do them and some don't and you wind up in the "have to" camp. |
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There is no crisis or emergency at the border.
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Are they trying to manufacture a crisis by not choosing a safe red district for their border show tomorrow? McAllen is not exactly a hotbed of Trump support. They have a Republican congressman but he's not in the Trump camp and has found other things to do rather than carry bags for Trump/Cruz/Cronyn. And the mayor is totally against the shutdown. I'm just wondering if Trump's "strategists"(for certain strange meanings of that word) are hoping for a bunch of crazed antifa thugs and baby-rapers and gangstas to help them by staging a riot.
His usual safe-zone instinct is to go to rural red districts (check out a map of his rallies in Florida). There are only a few left because just about the whole TX/MX border voted against him, but he could've found a safer one. |
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From a Vanity Fair article linked by Squeegee Beckenheim in another thread:
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The crisis is really that they can't find anything on the border to manufacturer a crisis about. Failing that, they are trying to conjure one up out of thin air by shutting down government, but everyone is seeing through that trick now. The only REAL crisis they are facing is coming slowly but surely from Bob Mueller's office. And that one they can't talk about.
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Looks like some GOP members are starting to consider trying make a deal with the Democrats without the President, floating the idea of offering the Democrats concessions on such long desired political goals as the "Dreamer" Program and H-2B Visas in exchange for funding Trump's wall.
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But of course the real conundrum is not that there may not be one better option, but the difficulty of knowing what that is.
One of my pet peeves is Monday morning quarterbacking. Second guessing those that Teddy Roosevelt said "that are in the Arena" For example, all those people that second guessed the pass at the end of the Seahawks Patriots Super Bowl that was intercepted. Sure it's easy to say they should have done the obvious and run Marshawn Lynch. But that is hindsight. No one would have said anything if that pass had gone for a touchdown or was incomplete. |
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Agreed.
He also needs to get off script. Beto tossing out data points and a few poll tested paeans isn't going to cut it. He's got to talk about his life experience. He has to be a face and a voice to a different perspective. ETA: for all the people in front of the cameras in media the Democrats know, they sure as **** don't seem like they know any of the people who know how to do multimedia production and marketing AT ALL. |
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Beto Is alos gong to have to show he can appeal to voters outside the Democratic Base.
And he has got to start showing us where he stands on issues other then those he has campaigned on. |
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Shutdown is about to get more real
Shutdown is about to get more real with almost a million workers about to miss a pay-check.
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