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View Poll Results: Will you be watching tonight's SOTU
Yes, and applauding Trump. 3 3.95%
Yes, and shouting "You Lie!" 4 5.26%
Yes, and keeping an open mind. 2 2.63%
Not just no, but "Hell, No!" 56 73.68%
International member, it won't be on my TV 8 10.53%
On Planet X, it's Hillary giving the speech. 3 3.95%
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Old 6th February 2019, 07:37 AM   #161
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Originally Posted by Squeegee Beckenheim View Post
I'm glad you say "a" low point, rather than "the" low point, because that was definitely the self-congratulatory "USA! USA" chants for reaching a slightly less high level of inequality than previously, while remaining behind every other first world country and nearly 100 other countries on that metric. Even leaving aside the question of whether a government should actually be chanting at itself like it's a football match, that's still just plain embarrassing.
That chant sure didn't help promote the decorum of the venue.
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Old 6th February 2019, 07:37 AM   #162
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Pelosi's childish antics, including shuffling pages, juvenile clapping and constantly swishing her poor fitting dentures around her maw were a low point for the State of the Union address.

Case in point
From a Donald Gob leshh the You-nighted Shayshhhh Trump fanboi? ROFLMAO!
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Old 6th February 2019, 07:38 AM   #163
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Originally Posted by angrysoba View Post
From a Donald Gob leshh the You-nighted Shayshhhh Trump fanboi? ROFLMAO!
You must be mistaken. TBD is a Bernie supporter.
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Old 6th February 2019, 07:44 AM   #164
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
You must be mistaken. TBD is a Bernie supporter.
Oh, yes, I keep forgetting that what with his constant impersonations of Trump's colostomy bag. ROFLMAO!
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Old 6th February 2019, 07:57 AM   #165
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
That chant sure didn't help promote the decorum of the venue.
The president is a clown built out of orange turds. Decorum has long since left the realm of the possible for American government.
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Old 6th February 2019, 08:01 AM   #166
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
*Sighs* Libs... Dems... you're doing it again.

"OH MAN did YOU SEE how PELOSI totes just StRAIGHT OWNED Trump by... sarcastically clapping at him behind his back?" is all over my Facebook feed and a goddamn front page article on CNN.

Please stop creaming yourself as if you've impeached the jackass every time Pelosi holds the door for him but lets it shut at the last minute.

Trump's running the country further and further into the ground and you guys just keep trying to craft a "Lookit us winning" narrative out of meaningless symbolic nothing.

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As a child sleeps and another is possibly dying of brain cancer.

The point of the image being?
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Originally Posted by TragicMonkey View Post
The president is a clown built out of orange turds. Decorum has long since left the realm of the possible for American government.
Funny you should bring this up. Perhaps a poll is in order because I was independently entertaining the notion that he's an orange made out of clown turds.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
As a child sleeps and another is possibly dying of brain cancer.

The point of the image being?
Wow! If she's dying of brain cancer she is probably thinking, "I don't have many hours left and I'm sitting here listening to this crap?"
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As a child sleeps and another is possibly dying of brain cancer.

The point of the image being?
I read it as an editorial comment on Joe's act wearing thin.
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
Funny you should bring this up. Perhaps a poll is in order because I was independently entertaining the notion that he's an orange made out of clown turds.
I thought he was a turd made out of orange clowns?
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At a certain point Dems the lower you bring down Trump the more questions arise as to why you have so much trouble beating him at literally anything that's not purely symbolic.

The "orange turd" has gotten his way pretty much 100% of the time for about two and a half years now and all the Dem's victories over him have been gonna happen "any day now, seriously we mean it this time" for almost as long.

Yeah it's because of shady underhanded politics but here's the thing... you're in politics. Dealing with the other sides' shady underhandedness comes with the job. At a certain point arguing the "The other side only keeps winning because of the politics" when you're in politics is like arguing the other team only won the race because they have a better car, driver, and pit crew.
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Originally Posted by Foolmewunz View Post
I read it as an editorial comment on Joe's act wearing thin.
Well, Joe's not wrong. And I doubt it's an act.

But yeah, I get why it can be grating to be told that one has to stop being so partisan and make things happen when one's goal is to continue to be partisan rather than make things happen.
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Old 6th February 2019, 08:23 AM   #175
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I thought it was a solid state of the union speech.

The INF treaty withdrawal is a step in the right direction.

It seemed no different than every other SOTU speech in that the President's party stands often, and the other party doesn't. I don't see why anyone would make a big deal about this.

He bragged about his accomplishments, he brought up things he wants to do next. Pretty standard.

I saw a couple segues that seemed a bit off, probably due to not pausing at a period.

He looked fit, not fat, much better than that one in the oval office a few weeks ago.

He made a few off prompter ad libs, not enough to get him in trouble though.

He seemed to be talking slower than most SOTU speeches, but I could be wrong on that.

I like it better when he brings people like Buzz Aldrin, WW2 Vets, Cancer Survivors in, instead of Bill Clinton's assault victims.

Didn't watch the end, I went to play Minecraft at the end, after the Venezuela comments.

I found some more diamonds.

Went into the nether.

How long did the speech go after the Venezuela comments?
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The left is literally in shambles, the key takeaway from the night for them is a mumblemouthed loser clapping at the President.

Great night for Trump, the GOP, America, and people who think Mean Girls is kewl I guess.

Nice going children
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The left is literally in shambles


Sure thing, Dog.
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Well, Joe's not wrong. And I doubt it's an act.
Yeah but they've got to tell themselves that everytime I try to take the discussion anywhere practical instead of an endless circle jerk of "ORANGE MAN BAD!"

Treating Trump like a joke is how we got Trump. I don't see how it's gonna defeat him.
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Old 6th February 2019, 08:36 AM   #179
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Yeah but they've got to tell themselves that everytime I try to take the discussion anywhere practical instead of an endless circle jerk of "ORANGE MAN BAD!"

Treating Trump like a joke is how we got Trump. I don't see how it's gonna defeat him.
Oh, I'm sorry. I thought this was an internet message board, not the HQ of your political action force that's going to bring down a president. Do let us know what we're allowed to talk about, it'll keep your campaign focused.
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It was funny when he briefly reverted to Reality TV, and said that something was going to happen (meeting w/Kim?) on a particular date "the 15th or 16th", in a speech where one expects grand visions.
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Since I'm the person who brought the clapping up and posted the gif, I feel I ought to once again reiterate - I'm not a Democrat. Neither am I part of "the left".

Mean Girls is cool, though.
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Oh, I'm sorry. I thought this was an internet message board, not the HQ of your political action force that's going to bring down a president. Do let us know what we're allowed to talk about, it'll keep your campaign focused.
I'm just saying it's kind of hard to weave the "Trump is the greatest threat to democracy we've ever seen, he's an unstoppable monster who wants to end women's rights, set up death camps, start nuclear wars with Russia, China, North Korea and the Ottoman Empire, and end this country and the world as we know it let's start mercy killing the young children to spare the horror" narrative with the tone of how everyone wants to discuss it.

We're supposedly discussing the new Hitler but we're doing it on the level of the Star Wars fans arguing about Laura Dern's Tumblrhair. There's some ludonarrative dissonance in there is all I'm saying. It's like saying "Kilroy was Here" stopped the Nazis. We're not going to meme Trump to death.

At a certain point "Oh we're just doing it for the catharsis" no longer rings true.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I'm just saying it's kind of hard to weave the "Trump is the greatest threat to democracy we've ever seen, he's an unstoppable monster who wants to end women's rights, set up death camps, start nuclear wars with Russia, China, North Korea and the Ottoman Empire, and end this country and the world as we know it let's start mercy killing the young children to spare the horror" narrative with the tone of how everyone wants to discuss it.
Oh, he's nowhere near competent enough for that kind of thing. The guy is an open book and a moron. If he ends the world it will probably just be an accident.
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Originally Posted by JoeMorgue View Post
I'm just saying it's kind of hard to weave the "Trump is the greatest threat to democracy we've ever seen, he's an unstoppable monster who wants to end women's rights, set up death camps, start nuclear wars with Russia, China, North Korea and the Ottoman Empire, and end this country and the world as we know it let's start mercy killing the young children to spare the horror" narrative with the tone of how everyone wants to discuss it.

We're supposedly discussing the new Hitler but we're doing it on the level of the Star Wars fans arguing about Laura Dern's Tumblrhair. There's some ludonarrative dissonance in there is all I'm saying. It's like saying "Kilroy was Here" stopped the Nazis. We're not going to meme Trump to death.

At a certain point "Oh we're just doing it for the catharsis" no longer rings true.
Perhaps some chillaxation is advisable. Things aren't that bad. Politics are not the whole of existence. And you can always derive cheer from remembering your own mortality and that one day the inexorable grip of the grave will claim you, rendering your every thought and deed totally pointless anyway.
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I think Mueller and the NY Attorney General's office are the biggest threats to Trump. I don't think anything anybody here says will have the slightest effect on him whatsoever.
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The left is literally in shambles, the key takeaway from the night for them is a mumblemouthed loser clapping at the President.

Great night for Trump, the GOP, America, and people who think Mean Girls is kewl I guess.

Nice going children
The President had the opportunity to stand and deliver. He chose to be a predictable snoozer. Can you really blame anyone for looking around for something else interesting?
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I'm just saying it's kind of hard to weave the "Trump is the greatest threat to democracy we've ever seen, he's an unstoppable monster who wants to end women's rights, set up death camps, start nuclear wars with Russia, China, North Korea and the Ottoman Empire, and end this country and the world as we know it let's start mercy killing the young children to spare the horror" narrative with the tone of how everyone wants to discuss it.

We're supposedly discussing the new Hitler but we're doing it on the level of the Star Wars fans arguing about Laura Dern's Tumblrhair. There's some ludonarrative dissonance in there is all I'm saying. It's like saying "Kilroy was Here" stopped the Nazis. We're not going to meme Trump to death.

At a certain point "Oh we're just doing it for the catharsis" no longer rings true.
But it's not the same people...
TM is not Travis, even though neither of them likes the current president all too much.
Seems like you're just lumping people into two 'sides' based on one thing they have in common and then complain about tribalism and how inconsistent the 'tribes' are when one supposed tribe member wants to murder children to spare them a life under Trump, and another cracks jokes.
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Perhaps some chillaxation is advisable. Things aren't that bad. Politics are not the whole of existence. And you can always derive cheer from remembering your own mortality and that one day the inexorable grip of the grave will claim you, rendering your every thought and deed totally pointless anyway.
*Shrugs* Fair cop. Maybe it's just a generational thing. I might just be a few too many years on the side of grey to click with the ability of the younger generation to discuss serious topics in what amounts to social media speak.
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Oh, he's nowhere near competent enough for that kind of thing. The guy is an open book and a moron. If he ends the world it will probably just be an accident.

On another forum, the initial reaction after the election was an anxious "Oh God, what's he going to do?!?" It quickly transformed into an exasperated "Oh God, what's he done now?" when the competency level of him and his administration became evident.
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On another forum, the initial reaction after the election was an anxious "Oh God, what's he going to do?!?" It quickly transformed into an exasperated "Oh God, what's he done now?" when the competency level of him and his administration became evident.
Yep.

Not so much trying to figure out Lex Luthor's next plot; more like worrying about leaving Goofy alone in the kitchen with a gas-stove, a gun-rack, and a cellar of TNT.
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The left is literally in shambles, the key takeaway from the night for them is a mumblemouthed loser clapping at the President.

Great night for Trump, the GOP, America, and people who think Mean Girls is kewl I guess.

Nice going children
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I literally think that you don't fully comprehend the definition of the word "literal".
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Old 6th February 2019, 09:22 AM   #192
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Well, Joe's not wrong. And I doubt it's an act.

But yeah, I get why it can be grating to be told that one has to stop being so partisan and make things happen when one's goal is to continue to be partisan rather than make things happen.

Do you wanna guess which poster wrote the following about the Gillette advert?

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First of us, no we don't. Second, even if we do, we don't need the reminder every waking moment of our lives. And no, it's not just this one ad. There is a concerted effort to tell us a number of things that, while true and probably positive, become preachy by their nature, frequency and ubiquity. At some point, even a positive message becomes a bad one when people stop listening. No one likes being preached to.
Why is a preachy Gillette advert any more annoying than preachy posts by Belz and Joe Morgue? It would seem to be personal taste/preference. Unlike you, though, I won't insinuate that you're only annoyed by the Gillette advert because you're a do-nothing who only posts opinions on an obscure forum on the periphery of the internet.

I don't have to justify my political activism to anyone. The insinuation that this is all anyone does, post on the ISF, is based on what?
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Old 6th February 2019, 09:22 AM   #193
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The left is literally in shambles, the key takeaway from the night for them is a mumblemouthed loser clapping at the President.

Great night for Trump, the GOP, America, and people who think Mean Girls is kewl I guess.

Nice going children
The hilite seems strange coming from a self-declared Bernie Sanders supporter.

It also seems strange coming from an American. There is no "left" in mainstream US politics. There is the far right and the near right. In most of the rest of the world's democratic countries the US democrats would be the right wing party.
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Old 6th February 2019, 09:34 AM   #194
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Does this blue pill swallowing anti-American "leader" say "You're a disgrace" "It's a disgrace" or "watch your ass"?

Thoughts?
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Old 6th February 2019, 09:36 AM   #195
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POLL STUNNER - 70% of respondents to a Fox News poll think people earning over $10 million should pay a marginal tax rate of 70%. ( https://www.foxnews.com/politics/fox...estic-spending ). A bit more important than a few Trump supporters saying they like him in general.
Why is that stunning? People in favor of others paying more taxes doesn’t stun me.
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Old 6th February 2019, 09:37 AM   #196
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Does this blue pill swallowing anti-American "leader" say "You're a disgrace" "It's a disgrace" or "watch your ass"?

Thoughts?
Yup. Who cares?
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Old 6th February 2019, 09:39 AM   #197
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Yup. Who cares?
I do.

No thoughts about the disgraceful conduct of the "mean girls" last night?

If not, no need to bother to pollute the thread about how one does not care, n'est-ce pas??
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Old 6th February 2019, 09:49 AM   #198
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
I do.

No thoughts about the disgraceful conduct of the "mean girls" last night?

If not, no need to bother to pollute the thread about how one does not care, n'est-ce pas??
Mais non. It's fair game to call out a red herring.

I watched the SOTU. Boring and predictable, and I wish I could reclaim that wasted time. The only bigger waste would be commenting on silly sidebars as if they were serious issues. But that's your new low, so:

The leader you cite could just as easily have been saying 'wash your hands' as plausibly as 'watch your ass'. And with as much relevance. Neither makes much sense. Madame Speaker's smarmy clapping style is not particularly interesting, although more interesting than the predictable SOTU speech.

And should you choose to opine on polluting the thread, I would direct you to your body of work. But please, go on. The perspective of a self-proclaimed Sen Sanders supporter is valued input. It's not like every word is dishonest, or anything.
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Old 6th February 2019, 09:50 AM   #199
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Damn, our President killed it

Blow out poll numbers
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Old 6th February 2019, 09:51 AM   #200
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Mais non. It's fair game to call out a red herring.
Well, it would have been had you, ya know, done that, which you didn't.

Well we have a vote for "wash your hands."

Thanks, scintillating
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