If Elected, Would Warren Be the First Native American President?

theprestige · 7th February 2019, 09:16 AM

The twist is that Planet X is post-apocalyptic Earth.

Norman Alexander · 7th February 2019, 12:03 PM

According to Donny, she would be the first Disney Princess elected president.

dudalb · 7th February 2019, 12:38 PM

To the Orignal Poster:
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Way too obvious dude.way too obvious.
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theprestige · 7th February 2019, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

To the Orignal Poster:
'
Way too obvious dude.way too obvious.
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Sometimes it's fun to ask a simple question, if only to see how complicated some people try to make their answer.

smartcooky · 7th February 2019, 12:41 PM

No.

/thread

Distracted1 · 7th February 2019, 12:44 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Sometimes it's fun to ask a simple question, if only to see how complicated some people try to make their answer.

There's a term for that, isn't there?
Gargoyling....
No, that's not it.

Orcing......
Not that either.

Gremlining....
Closer, but still not quite.

Jungle Jim · 7th February 2019, 12:55 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Sometimes it's fun to ask a simple question, if only to see how complicated some people try to make their answer.

This is not one of those times.

theprestige · 7th February 2019, 12:57 PM

Originally Posted by Jungle Jim

This is not one of those times.

If you're not having fun, you don't have to respond.

Porpoise of Life · 7th February 2019, 01:02 PM

You know what? Master Blaster is running Bartertown. People thought auntie Entity was a bit too standoffish and shady.

Also: no. Not even in a Rachel Dolezal kind of way.

Venom · 7th February 2019, 06:56 PM

No.

I don't believe in claiming some tiny portion of your ancestry as your ethnic identity.

Also Obama isn't the first black president. He's (maybe) the first mixed black (Kenyan) and white American president.

theprestige · 7th February 2019, 07:22 PM

Originally Posted by Venom

No.

I don't believe in claiming some tiny portion of your ancestry as your ethnic identity.

Also Obama isn't the first black president. He's (maybe) the first mixed black (Kenyan) and white American president.

I keep thinking this joke will get old for me, but it just doesn't:

Billy Clinton was the first black president. Barack Obama was the first woman president. Hillary Clinton would have been the first gay president. Elizabeth Warren will be the first Native American president.

And Donald Trump, of course, is the first human president.

Norman Alexander · 7th February 2019, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

I keep thinking this joke will get old for me, but it just doesn't:

Billy Clinton was the first black president. Barack Obama was the first woman president. Hillary Clinton would have been the first gay president. Elizabeth Warren will be the first Native American president.

And Donald Trump, of course, is the first human president.

theprestige · 7th February 2019, 08:02 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/..._908223010.jpg

I wouldn't expect an Australian to understand a joke premised on a uniquely American situation, but this might help:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1...5/comment-6543

eeyore1954 · 7th February 2019, 08:19 PM

I suspect others have had as much Indian blood.

We have had a president with an adopted Indian child.

Venom · 7th February 2019, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by eeyore1954

I suspect others have had as much Indian blood.

We have had a president with an adopted Indian child.

I cringe when I see that.

Silly Green Monkey · 7th February 2019, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by Venom

No.

I don't believe in claiming some tiny portion of your ancestry as your ethnic identity.

Also Obama isn't the first black president. He's (maybe) the first mixed black (Kenyan) and white American president.

Am I not the product of all of my ancestors?

Originally Posted by Venom

I cringe when I see that.

The times they are a changin'------ but they change slowly.

Venom · 7th February 2019, 08:44 PM

Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey

Am I not the product of all of my ancestors?

Sure, but I know people invariably get pigeonholed into one of a few select "racial groups" when push comes to shove.

It just makes me wince.

Roger Ramjets · 8th February 2019, 11:14 PM

Originally Posted by Venom

I don't believe in claiming some tiny portion of your ancestry as your ethnic identity.

One-drop rule

Quote:

The one-drop rule is a social and legal principle of racial classification that was historically prominent in the United States in the 20th century. It asserted that any person with even one ancestor of sub-Saharan African ancestry ("one drop" of black blood) is considered black (Negro in historical terms).

This concept became codified into the law of some states in the early 20th century.

You may not 'believe' in it, but for part of US history it was a fact. And not by choice for those being labeled.

Quote:

Also Obama isn't the first black president. He's (maybe) the first mixed black (Kenyan) and white American president.

Obama was born in Hawaii and is a US citizen. His father was a black Kenyan - and Kenya is in Africa, so...

African Americans Law and Legal Definition

Quote:

African Americans are citizens or residents of the United States who have origins in any of the black populations of Africa. In the United States, the terms are generally used for Americans with at least partial Sub-Saharan African ancestry.

Venom · 8th February 2019, 11:30 PM

^^the reason I don't like it when legal definitions are used to draw hard lines.

I think it stymies this sort of discussion.

Regarding the one-drop rule, I used to be a member of this majority African American Facebook group, and occasionally you would see Pan-Africanist Afrocentrists of various types, particularly the so-called hoteps, claiming damn near everyone with ostensibly black ancestry.

"He can say the n-word he's Dominican", even though he's light-skinned, even though nobody would ever mistake him for a black man, even though his ancestors were not subject to American racism, even though they never really assessed "how much" of West Africa he had in him, if any at all.

Roger Ramjets · 10th February 2019, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by Venom

^^the reason I don't like it when legal definitions are used to draw hard lines.

I think it stymies this sort of discussion.

Yep - there's nothing like citing a hard fact to stymie 'this sort of discussion'.

You claimed that Obama wasn't black. Let alone that a cursory glance would prove otherwise, he is African-American by both legal definition and popular usage. Your claim is based on a peculiar reasoning that is generally only employed by those who wish to deny the facts. The question is why do it?

I can think of two likely explanations,

1. Racism. "Obama isn't really black, so he can't speak for blacks. Their leader is a fraud. He's almost as white as we are!"

2. Partisanship. "Obama is a Democrat, therefore we must take every opportunity to denigrate him - no matter how ridiculous!"

And the base will lap it up because facts don't matter, and any ammunition is welcomed. After all, "Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!"

casebro · 10th February 2019, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by Venom

I cringe when I see that.

Me too. Their factual name is First Immigrants.

eeyore1954 · 10th February 2019, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by Venom

I cringe when I see that.

I guess it is a generational thing. When I posted that it wasn’t with malice. Every Native American acquaintance I had referred to themselves as Indian although they usually would also refer to their tribe.
I looked up and found the same thing the younger generations usually don’t use the term “Indians”, one did mention first immigrants.

Norman Alexander · 10th February 2019, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

I wouldn't expect an Australian to understand a joke premised on a uniquely American situation, but this might help:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1...5/comment-6543

Yes, I certainly understood your "joke". It got the response we Australians give such "jokes".

Try harder.

dudalb · 10th February 2019, 03:41 PM

What next Prestige,? Some knee slappeers about Sand Creek and Wounded Knee?

theprestige · 10th February 2019, 03:46 PM

Originally Posted by dudalb

What next Prestige,? Some knee slappeers about Sand Creek and Wounded Knee?

I wouldn't dream of putting a laughing matter like Elizabeth Warren's ancestry on par with a real tragedy and a black mark on America's history like Wounded Knee. What prompted you to make such a connection?

WilliamSeger · 10th February 2019, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

I wouldn't dream of putting a laughing matter like Elizabeth Warren's ancestry on par with a real tragedy and a black mark on America's history like Wounded Knee. What prompted you to make such a connection?

Trump tweet (last month): "If Elizabeth Warren, often referred to by me as Pocahontas, did this commercial from Bighorn or Wounded Knee instead of her kitchen, with her husband dressed in full Indian garb, it would have been a smash!"

Stacyhs · 10th February 2019, 05:49 PM

I can't believe anyone is still discussing Warren's ancestry.

Norman Alexander · 10th February 2019, 07:11 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I can't believe anyone is still discussing Warren's ancestry.

Wow. It's like you don't get to see ANY of Donny's tweets in the last few days.

Belz... · 10th February 2019, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I can't believe anyone is still discussing Warren's ancestry.

Well, we've got to distract from policy somehow.

Stacyhs · 10th February 2019, 07:47 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Wow. It's like you don't get to see ANY of Donny's tweets in the last few days.

I try not to.

Norman Alexander · 10th February 2019, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Stacyhs

I try not to [read any of Donny's tweets].

Then...

a) They are germane to the thread, and
b) Probably a good idea these days.

Stacyhs · 11th February 2019, 12:30 AM

I don't have to read Donny's latest tweets re Warren to know what his game is. That's been evident for a long, long time.

ponderingturtle · 11th February 2019, 09:33 AM

Originally Posted by Venom

No.

I don't believe in claiming some tiny portion of your ancestry as your ethnic identity.

Also Obama isn't the first black president. He's (maybe) the first mixed black (Kenyan) and white American president.

Of course this means that all those African Americans are wrong about being black due to the % white they are from masters raping their slaves.

Venom · 11th February 2019, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by ponderingturtle

Of course this means that all those African Americans are wrong about being black due to the % white they are from masters raping their slaves.

I don't think it's a fair comparison.

Obama is straight up mulatto, if we wanna use that word. I just think it's funny how people seem to want to only recognize his black side. Any deeper conversation about ethnic makeup ends after you place the subject in one checkbox.

Drewbot · 11th February 2019, 02:09 PM

By her criteria, i'll bet Obama wasn't the first African American President.

And I don't mean Bill's honorary title.

ponderingturtle · 11th February 2019, 02:20 PM

Originally Posted by Venom

I don't think it's a fair comparison.

Obama is straight up mulatto, if we wanna use that word. I just think it's funny how people seem to want to only recognize his black side. Any deeper conversation about ethnic makeup ends after you place the subject in one checkbox.

And when he walks in anywhere what do people see? A black man. He is not any less black than if say a black child was adopted by white parents, that wouldn't make said child not black now would it?

Silly Green Monkey · 11th February 2019, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by Venom

I don't think it's a fair comparison.

Obama is straight up mulatto, if we wanna use that word. I just think it's funny how people seem to want to only recognize his black side. Any deeper conversation about ethnic makeup ends after you place the subject in one checkbox.

If we treated people with varying levels of melanin differently, you might have a point. Black is black if you're brown enough, no matter how many paleface parents you have. We are not far off from a set of pale children (with black eyes) being abruptly relegated to Black status by their mother confessing that one of her parents was actually black. Suddenly they couldn't use the pool anymore and their friends wouldn't talk to them.

Norman Alexander · 11th February 2019, 10:53 PM

Here's a shaded box from white to dark brown. Please mark on it exactly once where you think "dark" skin is dark enough to make someone "black" and above which they are "white".

theprestige · 11th February 2019, 10:57 PM

Originally Posted by Norman Alexander

Here's a shaded box from white to dark brown. Please mark on it exactly once where you think "dark" skin is dark enough to make someone "black" and above which they are "white".

http://www.internationalskeptics.com...25efcc00c2.gif

Show us how it's done. What do you think the shade is, for a person of color to be Prime Minister of Australia?

Norman Alexander · 11th February 2019, 11:10 PM

Originally Posted by theprestige

Show us how it's done. What do you think the shade is, for a person of color to be Prime Minister of Australia?

There's no "right" answer to guess here.

I asked posters who are debating who is "black" and who is "white" to identify where they thought the dividing line between them was. So there's a graded bar - pick the dividing point.

Are you interested in making any attempt?

Yes	3	6.67%
No	31	68.89%
On Planet X, Master Blaster runs Bartertown	11	24.44%
Voters: 45. You may not vote on this poll

7th February 2019, 09:16 AM	#1
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 31,694	If Elected, Would Warren Be the First Native American President? The twist is that Planet X is post-apocalyptic Earth.

7th February 2019, 12:03 PM	#2
Norman Alexander Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 4,374	According to Donny, she would be the first Disney Princess elected president.
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7th February 2019, 12:38 PM	#3
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 42,539	To the Orignal Poster: ' Way too obvious dude.way too obvious. I
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7th February 2019, 12:41 PM	#5
smartcooky Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: Nelson, New Zealand Posts: 10,387	No. /thread
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7th February 2019, 12:39 PM	#4
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 31,694	Originally Posted by dudalb To the Orignal Poster: ' Way too obvious dude.way too obvious. I Sometimes it's fun to ask a simple question, if only to see how complicated some people try to make their answer.

7th February 2019, 12:44 PM	#6
Distracted1 Master Poster Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Philadelphia Posts: 2,786	Originally Posted by theprestige Sometimes it's fun to ask a simple question, if only to see how complicated some people try to make their answer. There's a term for that, isn't there? Gargoyling.... No, that's not it. Orcing...... Not that either. Gremlining.... Closer, but still not quite.
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7th February 2019, 12:55 PM	#7
Jungle Jim Graduate Poster Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 1,038	Originally Posted by theprestige Sometimes it's fun to ask a simple question, if only to see how complicated some people try to make their answer. This is not one of those times.

7th February 2019, 12:57 PM	#8
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 31,694	Originally Posted by Jungle Jim This is not one of those times. If you're not having fun, you don't have to respond.

7th February 2019, 01:02 PM	#9
Porpoise of Life Illuminator Join Date: Oct 2014 Posts: 4,740	You know what? Master Blaster is running Bartertown. People thought auntie Entity was a bit too standoffish and shady. Also: no. Not even in a Rachel Dolezal kind of way.

7th February 2019, 06:56 PM	#10
Venom Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 1,885	No. I don't believe in claiming some tiny portion of your ancestry as your ethnic identity. Also Obama isn't the first black president. He's (maybe) the first mixed black (Kenyan) and white American president.

7th February 2019, 07:22 PM	#11
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 31,694	Originally Posted by Venom No. I don't believe in claiming some tiny portion of your ancestry as your ethnic identity. Also Obama isn't the first black president. He's (maybe) the first mixed black (Kenyan) and white American president. I keep thinking this joke will get old for me, but it just doesn't: Billy Clinton was the first black president. Barack Obama was the first woman president. Hillary Clinton would have been the first gay president. Elizabeth Warren will be the first Native American president. And Donald Trump, of course, is the first human president.

7th February 2019, 07:49 PM	#12
Norman Alexander Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 4,374	Originally Posted by theprestige I keep thinking this joke will get old for me, but it just doesn't: Billy Clinton was the first black president. Barack Obama was the first woman president. Hillary Clinton would have been the first gay president. Elizabeth Warren will be the first Native American president. And Donald Trump, of course, is the first human president.
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7th February 2019, 08:02 PM	#13
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 31,694	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/..._908223010.jpg I wouldn't expect an Australian to understand a joke premised on a uniquely American situation, but this might help: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1...5/comment-6543

7th February 2019, 08:19 PM	#14
eeyore1954 Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,361	I suspect others have had as much Indian blood. We have had a president with an adopted Indian child.
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7th February 2019, 08:21 PM	#15
Venom Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 1,885	Originally Posted by eeyore1954 I suspect others have had as much Indian blood. We have had a president with an adopted Indian child. I cringe when I see that.

7th February 2019, 08:30 PM	#16
Silly Green Monkey Cowardly Lurking in the Shadows of Greatness Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Arizona Posts: 4,555	Originally Posted by Venom No. I don't believe in claiming some tiny portion of your ancestry as your ethnic identity. Also Obama isn't the first black president. He's (maybe) the first mixed black (Kenyan) and white American president. Am I not the product of all of my ancestors? Originally Posted by Venom I cringe when I see that. The times they are a changin'------ but they change slowly.
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7th February 2019, 08:44 PM	#17
Venom Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 1,885	Originally Posted by Silly Green Monkey Am I not the product of all of my ancestors? Sure, but I know people invariably get pigeonholed into one of a few select "racial groups" when push comes to shove. It just makes me wince.

8th February 2019, 11:14 PM	#18
Roger Ramjets Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,848	Originally Posted by Venom I don't believe in claiming some tiny portion of your ancestry as your ethnic identity. One-drop rule Quote: The one-drop rule is a social and legal principle of racial classification that was historically prominent in the United States in the 20th century. It asserted that any person with even one ancestor of sub-Saharan African ancestry ("one drop" of black blood) is considered black (Negro in historical terms). This concept became codified into the law of some states in the early 20th century. You may not 'believe' in it, but for part of US history it was a fact. And not by choice for those being labeled. Quote: Also Obama isn't the first black president. He's (maybe) the first mixed black (Kenyan) and white American president. Obama was born in Hawaii and is a US citizen. His father was a black Kenyan - and Kenya is in Africa, so... African Americans Law and Legal Definition Quote: African Americans are citizens or residents of the United States who have origins in any of the black populations of Africa. In the United States, the terms are generally used for Americans with at least partial Sub-Saharan African ancestry.
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8th February 2019, 11:30 PM	#19
Venom Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 1,885	^^the reason I don't like it when legal definitions are used to draw hard lines. I think it stymies this sort of discussion. Regarding the one-drop rule, I used to be a member of this majority African American Facebook group, and occasionally you would see Pan-Africanist Afrocentrists of various types, particularly the so-called hoteps, claiming damn near everyone with ostensibly black ancestry. "He can say the n-word he's Dominican", even though he's light-skinned, even though nobody would ever mistake him for a black man, even though his ancestors were not subject to American racism, even though they never really assessed "how much" of West Africa he had in him, if any at all.

10th February 2019, 01:22 PM	#20
Roger Ramjets Illuminator Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 3,848	Originally Posted by Venom ^^the reason I don't like it when legal definitions are used to draw hard lines. I think it stymies this sort of discussion. Yep - there's nothing like citing a hard fact to stymie 'this sort of discussion'. You claimed that Obama wasn't black. Let alone that a cursory glance would prove otherwise, he is African-American by both legal definition and popular usage. Your claim is based on a peculiar reasoning that is generally only employed by those who wish to deny the facts. The question is why do it? I can think of two likely explanations, 1. Racism. "Obama isn't really black, so he can't speak for blacks. Their leader is a fraud. He's almost as white as we are!" 2. Partisanship. "Obama is a Democrat, therefore we must take every opportunity to denigrate him - no matter how ridiculous!" And the base will lap it up because facts don't matter, and any ammunition is welcomed. After all, "Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!"
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10th February 2019, 02:05 PM	#21
casebro Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 16,263	Originally Posted by Venom I cringe when I see that. Me too. Their factual name is First Immigrants.
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10th February 2019, 02:34 PM	#22
eeyore1954 Philosopher Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 6,361	Originally Posted by Venom I cringe when I see that. I guess it is a generational thing. When I posted that it wasn’t with malice. Every Native American acquaintance I had referred to themselves as Indian although they usually would also refer to their tribe. I looked up and found the same thing the younger generations usually don’t use the term “Indians”, one did mention first immigrants.
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10th February 2019, 03:30 PM	#23
Norman Alexander Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 4,374	Originally Posted by theprestige I wouldn't expect an Australian to understand a joke premised on a uniquely American situation, but this might help: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/1...5/comment-6543 Yes, I certainly understood your "joke". It got the response we Australians give such "jokes". Try harder.
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10th February 2019, 03:41 PM	#24
dudalb Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Sacramento Posts: 42,539	What next Prestige,? Some knee slappeers about Sand Creek and Wounded Knee?
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10th February 2019, 03:46 PM	#25
theprestige Penultimate Amazing Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 31,694	Originally Posted by dudalb What next Prestige,? Some knee slappeers about Sand Creek and Wounded Knee? I wouldn't dream of putting a laughing matter like Elizabeth Warren's ancestry on par with a real tragedy and a black mark on America's history like Wounded Knee. What prompted you to make such a connection?

10th February 2019, 05:28 PM	#26
WilliamSeger Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2006 Posts: 4,218	Originally Posted by theprestige I wouldn't dream of putting a laughing matter like Elizabeth Warren's ancestry on par with a real tragedy and a black mark on America's history like Wounded Knee. What prompted you to make such a connection? Trump tweet (last month): "If Elizabeth Warren, often referred to by me as Pocahontas, did this commercial from Bighorn or Wounded Knee instead of her kitchen, with her husband dressed in full Indian garb, it would have been a smash!"
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10th February 2019, 05:49 PM	#27
Stacyhs Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 6,729	I can't believe anyone is still discussing Warren's ancestry.
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10th February 2019, 07:11 PM	#28
Norman Alexander Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 4,374	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I can't believe anyone is still discussing Warren's ancestry. Wow. It's like you don't get to see ANY of Donny's tweets in the last few days.
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10th February 2019, 07:43 PM	#29
Belz... Fiend God Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: In the details Posts: 78,493	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I can't believe anyone is still discussing Warren's ancestry. Well, we've got to distract from policy somehow.
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10th February 2019, 07:47 PM	#30
Stacyhs Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 6,729	Originally Posted by Norman Alexander Wow. It's like you don't get to see ANY of Donny's tweets in the last few days. I try not to.
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10th February 2019, 08:55 PM	#31
Norman Alexander Illuminator Join Date: Nov 2014 Posts: 4,374	Originally Posted by Stacyhs I try not to [read any of Donny's tweets]. Then... a) They are germane to the thread, and b) Probably a good idea these days.
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11th February 2019, 12:30 AM	#32
Stacyhs Philosopher Join Date: Mar 2016 Posts: 6,729	I don't have to read Donny's latest tweets re Warren to know what his game is. That's been evident for a long, long time.
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11th February 2019, 09:33 AM	#33
ponderingturtle Orthogonal Vector Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 45,162	Originally Posted by Venom No. I don't believe in claiming some tiny portion of your ancestry as your ethnic identity. Also Obama isn't the first black president. He's (maybe) the first mixed black (Kenyan) and white American president. Of course this means that all those African Americans are wrong about being black due to the % white they are from masters raping their slaves.
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11th February 2019, 01:35 PM	#34
Venom Graduate Poster Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: United States Posts: 1,885	Originally Posted by ponderingturtle Of course this means that all those African Americans are wrong about being black due to the % white they are from masters raping their slaves. I don't think it's a fair comparison. Obama is straight up mulatto, if we wanna use that word. I just think it's funny how people seem to want to only recognize his black side. Any deeper conversation about ethnic makeup ends after you place the subject in one checkbox.