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Old 12th February 2019, 08:25 AM   #761
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Interesting round-up of private transfer laws:
https://consumer.findlaw.com/consume...-by-state.html
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Old 12th February 2019, 11:07 AM   #762
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Originally Posted by a_unique_person View Post
Five dead in Texas shooting. No suspects so a family mass shooting and suicide probably.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/5-found-d...g-sheriff-says
No-one will comment. It's just too common in the USA.
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Old 15th February 2019, 01:25 PM   #763
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Active shooter situation right now in Aurora, Illinois. Breaking now, so no reports on numbers (if any) of injuries. Massive police and emergency service response to a valve production company. Breaking on CNN.
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Old 15th February 2019, 02:21 PM   #764
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Originally Posted by chrispy View Post
Active shooter situation right now in Aurora, Illinois. Breaking now, so no reports on numbers (if any) of injuries. Massive police and emergency service response to a valve production company. Breaking on CNN.
4 LE officers multiple civilians struck.
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Old 15th February 2019, 02:26 PM   #765
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Reports say the shooter is in custody.
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Old 15th February 2019, 03:55 PM   #766
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While I hope that none of the people hit are seriously injured, you have to note the irony that this happens just a day after Nancy Pelosi and others warned that should Trump declare a State of Emergency over the Border it would give a precedent for a future President to do so over mess shootings and instigate Federal Gun Control Laws under that.
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Old 15th February 2019, 04:09 PM   #767
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Shooter is dead. He is possibly the only death so far. I don't know if anything is confirmed.
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Old 15th February 2019, 04:36 PM   #768
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NYT: More than one killed.

Don't know if that includes the shooter.
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Old 15th February 2019, 04:43 PM   #769
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Originally Posted by chrispy View Post
Gov- 5 dead
I saw that too but don't know if that includes the shooter.
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Old 15th February 2019, 05:32 PM   #771
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Daily Mail says a laid-off employee killed 5 of his coworkers. He had worked there for 20 years.
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Old 15th February 2019, 06:12 PM   #772
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So-called "skeptics" are just as guilty of only looking at the hits and failing to contemplate the misses. If we didn't have the genius of the Constitution, then who knows how many MORE Americans would be dead due to lack of firearms and European-style universal health-care.
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Old 16th February 2019, 03:15 AM   #773
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This one made into the BBC news;

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47261314

"A man who was being fired from his job shot dead five people and injured several others at his workplace in the US state of Illinois, police say.

The gunman was also killed during an exchange of fire with police officers. Five officers were shot and wounded.

The shooting took place at a manufacturing company in Aurora, a suburb about 40 miles west of Chicago."

It may be because of the Aurora cinema shooting it has made the news. It may also be because it stands out as being a work place shooting. Will we now see copycat workplace shootings and the term "going postal" will become more familiar?
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USA: The country where when someone mentions the "Aurora mass shooting" we now have to ask, "Which state, Colorado or Illinois"?
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Old 16th February 2019, 07:06 AM   #775
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Originally Posted by Cain View Post
So-called "skeptics" are just as guilty of only looking at the hits and failing to contemplate the misses. If we didn't have the genius of the Constitution, then who knows how many MORE Americans would be dead due to lack of firearms and European-style universal health-care.
I know you're just Cain but this is actually the most important point that never gets brought up.

If people think that enacting gun laws similar to most of the western world would result in more gun deaths when were already leading the pack of developed nations by a hefty margin, then there must be some factor about us aside from our gun laws which makes us so uniquely massively prone to shooting each other. And yet these 2A enthusiasts don't seem to have any interest in finding it or addressing it. Their viewpoint relies on this massive factor existing but they never talk about it.
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Laser sights will now be the new item that makes a firearm more deadly, and they will now need to be banned.
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Old 16th February 2019, 07:48 AM   #777
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Daily Mail says a laid-off employee killed 5 of his coworkers. He had worked there for 20 years.
Not legally able to possess a firearm, apparently.

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Court records show that Martin was convicted of stabbing a woman in Mississippi in 1994.
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Old 16th February 2019, 08:56 AM   #778
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USA: The country where when someone mentions the "Aurora mass shooting" we now have to ask, "Which state, Colorado or Illinois"?
This shooting was in Aurora, Illinois. The town made famous by the movie Wayne’s World.

On a similar note there have been two Columbine massacres.
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After receiving FOID card, shooter applied for concealed carry permit in 2014. That's when his 1995 conviction was discovered & FOID card revoked.
RED FLAG: It does not appear his Smith and Wesson handgun was confiscated. "He was not supposed to be in possession of that firearm"
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Police say Aurora shooter had 6 prior arrests for traffic & domestic violence issues. He also had a 1995 conviction in Mississippi for aggravated assault. Despite that he was issued an Illinois FOID card in 2014 and bought a gun. 1/2
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Old 16th February 2019, 03:41 PM   #780
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Confiscated ? I'm not aware there is such option in US.
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Red Flag laws are getting popular here where you can confiscate firearms from people deemed ineligible to have them after the fact.

Illinois just passed such a law.

But in this case back in 2014, the state actually revoked his permission to own a gun, and thus should have forced him to turn it over to police.
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Old 16th February 2019, 04:57 PM   #782
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
Red Flag laws are getting popular here where you can confiscate firearms from people deemed ineligible to have them after the fact.

Illinois just passed such a law.

But in this case back in 2014, the state actually revoked his permission to own a gun, and thus should have forced him to turn it over to police.
Well clearly it didn't force him enough. Seems like case where registration would help.
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Old 16th February 2019, 06:37 PM   #783
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From this story on CNN, here's the timeline of how he got and kept the gun:

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How Martin obtained and kept his gun will be part of the investigation. Ziman revealed this Saturday about the timeline:
• Martin was convicted in 1995 in Mississippi of felony aggravated assault.
• In January 2014, Martin, then living in Aurora, was issued a firearm owner's identification card, or FOID card.
• On March 6, 2014, he applied to buy a .40-caliber Smith & Wesson handgun from a gun dealer in Aurora.
• Five days later, he took possession of the gun, having passed a background check and a five-day waiting period.
• On March 16, 2014, he applied for a concealed-carry permit. During a background check process for this permit, his fingerprints flagged him for the 1995 conviction in Mississippi.
• After his felony conviction was discovered, his application for the concealed-carry permit was rejected and Illinois State Police revoked his FOID card.
State police sent him a letter telling him to voluntarily relinquish the weapon to police, Ziman said.

Am I naive to think that a felony conviction is exactly what a background check would be looking for? If not that, then what exactly are they checking? Or is a background check just a questionnaire based on the honor system? Seriously, how does it work?
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Originally Posted by Dr.Sid View Post
Well clearly it didn't force him enough. Seems like case where registration would help.
"thus", not "this".

Law enforcement could have made him turn in the firearm, but they did not do so.

With his card revoked, he was illegally in possession, plus he must have lied on the federal form.
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Laser sights will now be the new item that makes a firearm more deadly, and they will now need to be banned.

It looks like the laser sight worked really well.
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Old 18th February 2019, 02:15 PM   #786
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Only just looked into this Aurora shooting at all, saw a little news blurb with a picture of a 37 year old husband and father of 3 small children who had texted his wife "love you, I've been shot at work" before he died.

Another of those killed was a 22 year old young man who'd just started an internship there and was a college student.

Absolutely tragic.
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Old 19th February 2019, 05:59 AM   #787
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Not legally able to possess a firearm, apparently.
Wow that part is really shocking, usually these are law abiding respectable gun owners.
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After receiving FOID card, shooter applied for concealed carry permit in 2014. That's when his 1995 conviction was discovered & FOID card revoked.
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Police say Aurora shooter had 6 prior arrests for traffic & domestic violence issues. He also had a 1995 conviction in Mississippi for aggravated assault. Despite that he was issued an Illinois FOID card in 2014 and bought a gun. 1/2
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See the system works!
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Originally Posted by LTC8K6 View Post
Red Flag laws are getting popular here where you can confiscate firearms from people deemed ineligible to have them after the fact.

Illinois just passed such a law.

But in this case back in 2014, the state actually revoked his permission to own a gun, and thus should have forced him to turn it over to police.
Why turn it over instead of disposing of it in some other legal fashion like selling it?
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Why turn it over instead of disposing of it in some other legal fashion like selling it?
Or destroying it? Why keep it in circulation?
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Since this fired worker massacre of 5, there has been another killing of 5 and also a killing of 4. Both of those were domestic.
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Why turn it over instead of disposing of it in some other legal fashion like selling it?
I'm shocked that Illinois knew he was illegally in possession and basically did nothing about that.

If it had been marijuana, they'd have raided his home with a company of troops.
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The company I work for has a production facility in Aurora. The brother of one of our employees was one of the victims.
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Why turn it over instead of disposing of it in some other legal fashion like selling it?
Because the only way the police could actually know for a fact that the illegal carrier has been dispossessed of the weapon is by taking it into custody. Otherwise he could "sell it" to a friend who just signs a receipt but doesn't actually take the gun (or gives it back shortly thereafter), or to a family member or roommate or some other person who lives in the same residence who keeps it in a drawer, thereby never meaningfully losing possession of or access to it.
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Because the only way the police could actually know for a fact that the illegal carrier has been dispossessed of the weapon is by taking it into custody. Otherwise he could "sell it" to a friend who just signs a receipt but doesn't actually take the gun (or gives it back shortly thereafter), or to a family member or roommate or some other person who lives in the same residence who keeps it in a drawer, thereby never meaningfully losing possession of or access to it.
I don't know this sounds like that kind of gun registration that is always being fought against.
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