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12th December 2015, 11:43 AM | #681 |
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How could you think that the girder didn't have any studs?
You repeated this position loudly and clearly, and now you're trying to distance yourself from your claim because you are realising how wrong you were. You were told time and time again that there would have been studs on the girder. You're just running for cover yourself now that you realise your mistake. Understandable really. |
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Gamelon, you were told repeatedly that there would be studs on the girder, You disagreed and made no secret of it. If you'd kept up with the topic, you probably would be avoiding me.
I had the good grace not to come and seek you out to rub your face in it when I read the testimony, but now you're here........ |
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Prof Colin Bailey (FREng, BEng, PhD, CEng, FICE, FIStructE, MIFireE) says
"evidence discovered after June 15th 2009 revealed that, contrary to the information that I had reviewed prior to that date, some shear studs were ultimately installed ON EACH FLOOR on the girder running between columns 79 and 44." |
12th December 2015, 12:31 PM | #696 |
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And why are these shear studs so important?
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Are you seriously supposing that this guy walked into a court and CHANGED HIS STATEMENT to include a statement as specific as this, without being sure?
Wouldn't that be a really serious criminal offence? The guy is from over this way, maybe I could arrange for you to relate your concerns to him directly. |
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And folks like me who are willing to hear you out on this idea would like to move onto the next step of determining that if NIST was wrong about the one girder not moving enough then what is a valid alternative failure point? And does it or does it not disprove the fire initiated collapse?. Going from your own words on that blog some years ago and your insistance on spending hours tugging at a single girder connection for no reason than to tell people they are wrong is indicative that my earlier remark is an accurate depiction of the position you have.
That the column failed is without question. The pertinent discussion is, does disproving that one girder affect the entire conclusion that fire was the proximate cause of the collapse? Could no other mechanism related to the fires have resulted in the same sequence? Thats the discussion you and Tony et al NEVER explore and for that mTter some in the debunking community are guilty of same to an extent |
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My guess:
This will pretend to prove, by using a much more restricted simulation than that of NIST, that NIST's probable sequence was not so probable, which will be spun, as it has so far, as meaning that the whole NIST report is completely wrong and therefore we need a new investigation. Which will be as wrong then as it is now. |
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No problem. the pertinent bit is where he changes his statement to.... "evidence discovered after June 15th 2009 revealed that, contrary to the information that I had reviewed prior to that date, some shear studs were ultimately installed ON EACH FLOOR on the girder running between columns 79 and 44."
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A quick search does not find any reference to sheer studs in the court case. I looked "above" and I didn't see the persons name mentioned. I'd just like to see the context of the statement.
In the case itself there was no finding of negligence in construction and the case was dismissed. |
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You do accept the guys expertise though I presume?
Remember this is a CHANGE to his original statement. He thought it pertinent enough to change his original statement to reflect the information that he had received in the interim. Negligence has nothing to do with this unless you are talking about NIST. |
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He is not hard to get hold of if anyone feels like contacting him ?
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