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26th July 2017, 01:19 PM | #2321 |
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It's nice to see someone other than us pointing out the lack of transparency and results.
I'm sure dtg86 will be soon branded as a shill.............. |
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9th August 2017, 07:23 PM | #2322 |
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Okay...it is August, where is the report?
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10th August 2017, 04:20 AM | #2323 |
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24th August 2017, 08:12 PM | #2324 |
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annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd it looks like the study is delayed until 2018:
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How long is Hulsey planning on keeping these grad students hostage? The public comment period is also going to be interesting. I think some folks around here can help the UAF team out by making sure top flight structural engineers who have actually published on these topics have a chance to provide their comments... |
25th August 2017, 08:09 AM | #2325 |
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What??
"A draft report ... will be open for public comment for a six-week period, allowing for input from the public and the engineering community. A final report will then be published in early 2018." They are doing it exactly like NIST did, don't they? Instead of making the entire 2-year process transparent so the public stays informed on progress throughout. By releasing it to the "community" for review and announcing a publication date, they are in fact saying that they have abandoned the promise of submitting to a good peer-reviewed journal. 9/11 Truth - 16 years of breaking promises and achieving nothing. |
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25th August 2017, 08:13 AM | #2326 |
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25th August 2017, 08:31 AM | #2327 |
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25th August 2017, 08:32 AM | #2328 |
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25th August 2017, 08:32 AM | #2329 |
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And, naturally, they will make public all the comments and criticism they receive during the comment period.
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25th August 2017, 08:34 AM | #2330 |
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25th August 2017, 05:17 PM | #2331 |
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Strange how none of the supporters are voicing complaints. Almost exactly like another study they paid for..............
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25th August 2017, 05:56 PM | #2332 |
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26th August 2017, 12:31 PM | #2333 |
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If a tree collapses in a forest, and hardly anyone around cares anymore, does it even matter?
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27th August 2017, 09:25 AM | #2334 |
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Always stretch things out…keep the donations flowing as long as possible.
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27th August 2017, 10:48 AM | #2335 |
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At some point unless Gage turns it over to someone else... he'll have to par down all the expenses and put the site on auto pilot and look for some real work to supplement the trickle of $$.
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6th September 2017, 06:26 PM | #2336 |
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I saw twoofies comment about this "study" a month ago saying "oh it's coming out in August it will prove controlled demolition."
Except twoofies still can't explain away the inconsistencies and impossibilities of it. |
6th September 2017, 10:25 PM | #2337 |
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There was supposed to be a live event at UAF today (Sept. 6th, 2017) at 4PM.
But, hours after the event, there is no video:
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7th September 2017, 03:08 AM | #2338 |
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7th September 2017, 05:28 AM | #2339 |
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Whether live or prerecorded it eventually was online. Essentially, as far as I could understand... Hulsey used NIST heat inputs, and did some modelling including the stiffeners when were shown on shop drawings at the flr 13 col 19 girder connection and concludes.... no surprise... that the girder could not be moved off the seat and ergo the column could not fail from this as a cause. This is essentially the GerryCan and Tony Sz et al arguments.
At the end of the presentation he did mention he would next be looking at the belt truss and the area of the sub station and vibration effects of the collapsing twins. One wonders what heat/fire inputs he will use to do his future modeling. This essentially was another refutation of the NIST model. He did not discuss or link visuals to what was taking place inside the tower. Underwhelming (predictable) report |
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7th September 2017, 07:50 AM | #2340 |
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Here are two video uploads of the presentation - the first, I hear, has better quality, but I am not sure how long it will remain online:
https://cdnapisec.kaltura.com/index..../embed/dynamic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vMV8E_83NiI And here is the 911Blogger community already deeming the study "superb" (gerrycan's literal exclamation): http://911blogger.com/news/2017-09-0...lding-collapse Very revealing how, for example, poster "Satyakaama" cheers: "Not only do I want to see the incrimination of the guilty. I want to see the vindication of people such as Gage, Jones, Ryan, etc. They stayed true." - but does not want to see the data first, and for the study to first pass actual, independent peer review and become an actual refereed journal paper, as promised. |
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7th September 2017, 03:51 PM | #2343 |
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They submit their tax form for year X no sooner than November X+1, i.e. almost a year later. It's now September X+2 of the last 501c3 account that you have seen - that for 2015.
There is, apparently, at least one large "mystery donor" - at least Gage claimed as recently as May that someone in the background would match any sustaining donations that came in during a certain frame of time. |
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7th September 2017, 04:55 PM | #2344 |
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Why is Coast to Coast still on the air. CTs will make money for all time.
. if I was the IRS, I would check the big donors and make sure it is not a tax scam, where you donate 100,000, and get it all back but 10,000, thus making 15,000 dollars the IRS did not take, or is it more. Are Gage's rich friends making money the old fashion way. Can I sell you some Bigfoot detection devices |
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8th September 2017, 03:05 AM | #2345 |
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The latest tax exemption form I have seen from AE911 was from 2012, anywhere I can see the newer ones?
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8th September 2017, 07:20 AM | #2348 |
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Niels Harrit: "I do not actually understand why they fire insulates steel structures. It just slows the heating of the steel by one hour. There must be money in it." |
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12th September 2017, 09:51 AM | #2350 |
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Hulsey's September 2017 Project Report Presentation can be downloaded here as an 85-page PDF file:
http://ine.uaf.edu/media/92216/wtc7-...t_2017-9-7.pdf |
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12th September 2017, 02:49 PM | #2351 |
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I'm surprised by the lack of originality; poor innocent me thought there was going to be something new. The arguments are the same we've been discussing for years; I only miss the beam stubs one. The logical fallacy of "NIST is wrong therefore fire didn't do it" is just as we anticipated. The argument against the Weidlinger study is just incredulity. Same old, same old.
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12th September 2017, 04:24 PM | #2353 |
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There is a very active debate of the Hulsey presentation over at Metabunk. Mick West documented how Hulsey uses several slides, and identical arguments, as he did a year ago and two years ago, as if they haven't found much new in the last year.
gerrycan has already admited explicitly that Hulsey's conclusion, that fire did not bring down WTC7, is INVALID. Tony Szamboti and kawika, though very clearly and pointedly asked if they confirm, or disagree with, Hulsey's conclusion refused to defend it any way at all, which must be scored as: Tony Szamboti has expressed that Hulsey's conclusion is INVALID. kawika has expressed that Hulsey's conclusion is INVALID. That's three (3) AE911Truth apologists who are directly involved with AE911truth calling out Hulsey's conclusion as INVALID, and zero (0) AE911truthers defending Hulsey. A remarkable piece of debunking by these three truthers. |
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12th September 2017, 08:38 PM | #2354 |
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Oystein seems to say whatever he wants and doesn't feel the need to prove it. Below was my answer to him on Metabunk when I saw him make this claim and I am repeating it here.
I most certainly did not agree that Leroy Hulsey's conclusion is invalid. In fact, I stated the opposite and explained how he would have come to that conclusion in post #323. If the columns never got hot enough to fail then the only way fire could cause a problem is for dislodgement of horizontal members removing lateral support for a significant number of stories (at least five in most cases) to cause the column(s) to be slender enough to buckle and fail. Once you include the items they ignored and omitted the NIST analysis could not show it happened between columns 44 and 79, and every other situation in the building was even less likely to have it occur. It is clear that it is groping at straws trying to say the building collapsed due to fire once you understand these details. The temperatures Hulsey used on the structural members involved were also worst case for the NIST simulation, so it is nonsense trying to claim any other combination of temperatures may cause it. |
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Got evidence yet? No -
Fire caused the collapse, you don't have evidence for your silent explosives, or your magical thermite. Hulsey is a failed conspiracy theorist, or a grant hog who fooled you, and Richard Gage to gain money to buy computers, disk drives and fund a fantasy study based on making you and Gage happy campers in the fantasy world of CD.
CD is a sick fantasy mocking the murder of thousands by 19 nuts who were fooled by UBL, like you and Hulsey are fooled by 9/11 truth. Hulsey claims are BS, not much you can do about it. Got Evidence? No 16 years and the failed 9/11 truth movement has speculation based on dumbed down BS. 9/11 truth conspiracy engineers could have earned a PhD in structural engineering, but they doubled down on BS and got a PhD in woo. Hulsey - "fire did not make WTC7 collapse" Is the study done? This is the best 9/11 truth can do, failed claims, speculation, and fantasy CD. Hulsey claims it was not fire before he finished his study, claimed it was not fire based on his "calculation", on a study not done. What a joke, what an embarrassment for the school. |
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13th September 2017, 02:26 PM | #2359 |
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I watched the whole presentation live. What a waste of time. Hulsey didn’t offer anything new, just a different twist on the same old truther lies. It shameful that this group continues to make money off the dead souls of all the people who died on 9/11.
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13th September 2017, 03:30 PM | #2360 |
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Many of his presentation slides - including the conclusions! - are identical to what he presented a year ago, and a good number even identical to what he presented two years ago!
The project was originally announced as 2 years, $200K, 3 men (Hulsey and 2 assistants). Very quietly, one of the three men has left the team, and cost and time went up to 3 years, $300K - without explanation as far as I am aware. Some of the work, including some of the graphics and calculations, weren't done by Hulsey. For example, slides 44-48 are originally Tony Szamboti's work, he first showed me it in January 2016. |
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