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Old 29th January 2019, 03:42 PM   #441
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Trump wants to be dictator, but he is a long way from achieving that goal.
Maduro IS a dictator.
Huge difference.
Your ablity to absolve the CHavez/Maduro regime from any responsibility for the sad plight of the Venezuelan people is truly amazing.
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Old 29th January 2019, 04:12 PM   #442
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
Could you tell to your dictator Trump that the election of a new leader in Venezuela shall not be done when the people are famished by the leaders who want to replace the guy elected but when people have a lot of food.

Clarification please. Google translate is failing you badly.

What people, which leaders and the leader with a huge Russian vote or the one that stuffed the ballot boxes?
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Old 29th January 2019, 09:44 PM   #443
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A local news program has shown that 41℅ of crude Venezuela gets is sold to the US. Pending any kneejerk reaction policy changes by the orangutan.

The UK has decided to not permit Maduro to access the gold they hold for Venezuela. Account frozen type of thing.

It appears some decisions are being made based on humanitarian concerns.
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Old 30th January 2019, 04:20 AM   #444
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Good read: The Making of Juan Guaidů: How the US Regime Change Laboratory Created Venezuela’s Coup Leader
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Old 30th January 2019, 04:24 AM   #445
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Good, socialism was just killing too many people
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Old 30th January 2019, 08:34 AM   #446
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An interesting pro-Guaidů article on NPR


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Typically, foreign governments create conditions inside a country for a rupture with the status quo, by providing moral, financial or even military support. But in Venezuela, since 2015, it's been the foreign policies of Venezuelans themselves that have triggered an international response, not the other way around.

https://www.npr.org/2019/01/30/68928...-venezuela-did
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Old 30th January 2019, 10:50 AM   #447
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Originally Posted by applecorped View Post
Good, socialism was just killing too many people
A few rich own 50% of all the population poorer, capitalism kills people, not governments who want to share wealth as socialism governments.
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Old 30th January 2019, 11:10 AM   #448
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Trump wants to be dictator, but he is a long way from achieving that goal.
I'd say that Trump is so far from achieving that goal, that it's reasonable to conclude it's not actually something he wants.
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Old 30th January 2019, 11:44 AM   #449
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
A few rich own 50% of all the population poorer, capitalism kills people, not governments who want to share wealth as socialism governments.
Oh Gaetan, you poor, poor, poor, poor dear.
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Old 30th January 2019, 11:57 AM   #450
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There's apparently a Russian Boeing 777 that has been parked at Caracas airport for a couple of days, and nobody knows what it is doing there. A former Venezuelan central bank economist claims, without supporting evidence, that it's there to ship away 20 tons of gold from the bank.

I suspect it's there for something of great value, because they are using a Boeing instead of a Tupolev or Ilyushin.
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Old 30th January 2019, 12:04 PM   #451
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Originally Posted by timhau View Post
There's apparently a Russian Boeing 777 that has been parked at Caracas airport for a couple of days, and nobody knows what it is doing there. A former Venezuelan central bank economist claims, without supporting evidence, that it's there to ship away 20 tons of gold from the bank.

I suspect it's there for something of great value, because they are using a Boeing instead of a Tupolev or Ilyushin.
Gee, Maduro should have put money in a Swiss Bank Account for his "retirement fund". That's one of the first things you learn when playing "Tropico".
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Old 30th January 2019, 12:07 PM   #452
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Gee, Maduro should have put money in a Swiss Bank Account for his "retirement fund". That's one of the first things you learn when playing "Tropico".
Maybe he always had rebels switched off.
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Old 30th January 2019, 12:07 PM   #453
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Originally Posted by Gaetan View Post
A few rich own 50% of all the population poorer, capitalism kills people, not governments who want to share wealth as socialism governments.
Never heard of Stalin or Mao, I see. They are both neck in neck with Hitler in the "Greatest Mass Murderer Of All Time" competition.
And Pol Pot was pretty good, on a smaller scale at Mass Murder as well.
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Old 30th January 2019, 12:55 PM   #454
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Originally Posted by dudalb View Post
Never heard of Stalin or Mao, I see. They are both neck in neck with Hitler in the "Greatest Mass Murderer Of All Time" competition.
And Pol Pot was pretty good, on a smaller scale at Mass Murder as well.
Your dictator Trump has not be elected by the population of US but by rich who manipulated the population with their medias, beside that when few rich own 50% of the poorer this mean that a lot of people will be killed and 50% of the people on this planet will be very hungry.

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Old 30th January 2019, 02:31 PM   #455
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Your dictator Trump has not be elected by the population of US but by rich who manipulated the population with their medias, beside that when few rich own 50% of the poorer this mean that a lot of people will be killed and 50% of the people on this planet will be very hungry.
So when does all this killing start? And how are we going to starve our poor when they're disproportionately obese?

Capitalism is such a failure it can't even get a good genocide going.
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Old 30th January 2019, 03:59 PM   #456
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I hate Maduro, but also think military intervention is a terrible idea.
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Old 30th January 2019, 05:22 PM   #457
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So when does all this killing start? And how are we going to starve our poor when they're disproportionately obese?
Are you saying that itinerants and poor in US and in the world are obese? Statistic please.
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Old 30th January 2019, 05:23 PM   #458
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I hate Maduro, but also think military intervention is a terrible idea.
You hate him because you are a brain washed and they told you to hate him.
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Old 30th January 2019, 06:30 PM   #459
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Are you saying that itinerants and poor in US and in the world are obese? Statistic please.
Iím not talking about the world in total, Iím talking about the US (although the relationship holds for many other developed countries). And itís a well-known fact that the poor in the US are disproportionately obese. If you didnít know that, then you donít know anything about poverty in the US.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3987582/
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Old 30th January 2019, 08:31 PM   #460
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Originally Posted by Ziggurat View Post
I’m not talking about the world in total, I’m talking about the US (although the relationship holds for many other developed countries). And it’s a well-known fact that the poor in the US are disproportionately obese. If you didn’t know that, then you don’t know anything about poverty in the US.
If some poor are obese in US it is because they eat cheap food that make them big and poor are not people that are worry about having a sain life they are more worry about getting money than anything else.

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If some poor are obese in US it is because they eat cheap food that make them big and poor are not people that are worry about having a sain life they are more worry about getting money than anything else.
You said they would starve. Fat people aren't starving. And "sain" is not a word in the English language.
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You said they would starve. Fat people aren't starving. And "sain" is not a word in the English language.
Healthy life, i want to see the statistic, not news from Fox. Your president and others countries that starve Venezuelians are in a hurry to put their dictator to steal the ressources of this country. Same thing with Chili, we now know that the CIA was involve to kill the socialist president. After starving the population they think they will vote for their dictator.
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Originally Posted by timhau View Post
There's apparently a Russian Boeing 777 that has been parked at Caracas airport for a couple of days, and nobody knows what it is doing there. A former Venezuelan central bank economist claims, without supporting evidence, that it's there to ship away 20 tons of gold from the bank.

I suspect it's there for something of great value, because they are using a Boeing instead of a Tupolev or Ilyushin.
Venezuela still has gold reserves? That would be amazing.

Maybe the Russians have made an up-front payment the condition for further support? Maduro is looking pretty shaky and I don't think an IOU is going to cut it at this point.
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Healthy life, i want to see the statistic, not news from Fox.
I gave you statistics. You ignored them.
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I gave you statistics. You ignored them.
I never seen an itinerant fat, you can throw it in the garbage. Beside that the reason why US wants to replace the president elected of Venezuela is to steal the ressources of this country by putting a dictator. US citizen won't take advantage of it but just rich metal and oil companies who will steal Venezuelians.
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Itinerant does not equal poor.

Poor does not equal itinerant.

Fat has nothing to do with either.
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A few rich own 50% of all the population poorer, capitalism kills people, not governments who want to share wealth as socialism governments.
So how did the Killing Fields happen?
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Could you tell to your dictator Trump that the election of a new leader in Venezuela shall not be done when the people are famished by the leaders who want to replace the guy elected but when people have a lot of food.
How about you just say the tagline and be done with it? "Money is bad".
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Your dictator Trump has not be elected by the population of US but by rich who manipulated the population with their medias, beside that when few rich own 50% of the poorer this mean that a lot of people will be killed and 50% of the people on this planet will be very hungry.
Take that to the conspiracy theory section. This thread is about Venezuela.
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So how did the Killing Fields happen?
Poverty kills people by many diseases
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Take that to the conspiracy theory section. This thread is about Venezuela.
We talk about Venezuela, US want to kill the socialism in south America to steal their ressources for businessmen profit this is evident. We all know now that the CIA was involve in killing their socialist president in Chili to steal ressources that belong to the population. This is the same thing.
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We talk about Venezuela, US want to kill the socialism in south America to steal their ressources for businessmen profit this is evident.
Proof please.
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Proof please.
When you see that every thing look like a cat, this is a cat. We'll know the true in 50 years when all these criminal stealers will be in hell.

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When you see that every thing look like a cat, this is a cat.
Don't dodge the question. Either provide your evidence or admit that it's your personal interpretation and nothing else.
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Poverty kills people by many diseases
Communism being the most virulent, apparently.
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This is why I wish the US and our president would just shut about and stay out of any hint of involvement in Venezuela. Their situation is untenable but if the US gives any hint of interfering, it will just help Maduro and bolster the folks like Gaetan.

Lets face, he's not wrong about past US involvement in S. American affairs.
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Don't dodge the question. Either provide your evidence or admit that it's your personal interpretation and nothing else.
I am not the only person who thinks that all the government of US wants is to steal the ressources of Venezuelians many people think the same thing as me. This is not only my personal interpretation many people say the same thing, this is evident. Do you really thing that Trump is really worried about the democracy in Venezuela as he said, if he would be really worry about it he wouldn't make business with the Arabian dictator. All he want is to put his Pinochet there to steal the population for the benefit of American companies, same with Obama and Bush, these people are criminals. They want that Obama write a book for millions of dollars, what can he say in that book? all he did when he was at the government was crimes after crimes, he can't say that in a book.
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During all the back and forth political jostling of the leaders the US was buying Venezuelan crude in large quantities.

It actually propped up Chavez as somewhat economically stable for the most part. The US didn't need to buy any of it at all as they share your source under the Gulf of Mexico.
They don't need to give Maduro any money now for oil but buy 41℅ of his production.

Watch the news via internet that does not come from Maduro or the orange utan. Be it Columbia or any other nations you haven't decided to hate yet.

It shows a different image of events.
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I am not the only person who thinks that all the government of US wants is to steal the ressources of Venezuelians many people think the same thing as me. This is not only my personal interpretation many people say the same thing, this is evident.
Reality is not a popularity contest. That others also have this interpretation does not make it not your interpretation, in any case.

I gather that you in fact have no evidence, and are simply stating your opinion. So it's neither evident or obvious or any other word you want to use to try to give the impression that your opinion is objective reality. It isn't.
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Originally Posted by Belz... View Post
Reality is not a popularity contest. That others also have this interpretation does not make it not your interpretation, in any case.

I gather that you in fact have no evidence, and are simply stating your opinion. So it's neither evident or obvious or any other word you want to use to try to give the impression that your opinion is objective reality. It isn't.
When you see a cat, it is evident it is a cat, we don't need to study his genome.
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