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Old 20th November 2018, 09:08 PM   #2081
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Originally Posted by Doubt View Post
We do not have consensus. First, We might agree on them being totalitarian but unfortunately we are going to have to discuss what could pass for religion in China. But before we get there we are going to have to figure out why you think it is important to call them Marxist right up to the point where we want to look at why and then suddenly it is not important to you once we examine the nature of your claim.

What we seem to have here is sort of a Schrodinger's Marxist where it is and is not important at the same time. Of course if you want to consider what is true about the government in China we must figure out where we can agree. To get there we need to know why calling them Marxists is/was important to you so we can define our mutual terms.

So I ask you again, is the regime in China honest when they call themselves Marxist?

This is an honest question and I do expect an honest answer. Once we get you past that point we can then move on to the hard stuff. This is the easy question and it is not going away.
China's Leader Xi Jinping Reminds Party Members to Be 'Unyielding Marxist Atheists'

http://time.com/4306179/china-religi...uddhist-tibet/

Curious that you missed this article.
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Old 20th November 2018, 09:12 PM   #2082
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Weird, you totally cut out this part of my post:

“Yeah, atheists are the victims here. Maybe the USA religious right got together with Xi to destroy churches, crack down on religious and put a million plus religious people in concentration camps as part of the, whomp whomp:”

It is almost as if you don’t want to talk about the million human beings in concentration camps, but want to continue convincing people that atheists are the victims of the anti atheist agenda.

Poor atheists.

Oh man.
The sheer amount and obvious intentionality of your bias in what you ignore out of what people say would be jaw dropping, if anyone thought that you were interested in honest discussion.
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Old 20th November 2018, 09:24 PM   #2083
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Yes, indeed. The sheer amount and obvious intentionally of your bias in what you ignore out of what people say would be jaw dropping, if anyone thought that you were interested in honest discussion.
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The sheer amount and obvious intentionality of your bias in what you ignore out of what people say would be jaw dropping, if anyone thought that you were interested in honest discussion.
Oh dear....

I guess then that you are not going to talk about the million people in concentration camps?
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Old 20th November 2018, 09:27 PM   #2084
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
China's Leader Xi Jinping Reminds Party Members to Be 'Unyielding Marxist Atheists'

http://time.com/4306179/china-religi...uddhist-tibet/

Curious that you missed this article.
I missed nothing. In fact I have addressed that with my question that you are not answering. Is he honest when he says they are Marxist? Why don't you answer that? All you have done here is re-assert the same claim. If you believe China is an actually Marxist just because he says so then you should also believe Manson when he claimed to be Jesus.

We know their economy is capitalist and that is not compatible with what Marx wrote.
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Old 20th November 2018, 09:31 PM   #2085
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I missed nothing. In fact I have addressed that with my question that you are not answering. Is he honest when he says they are Marxist? Why don't you answer that? All you have done here is re-assert the same claim. If you believe China is an actually Marxist just because he says so then you should also believe Manson when he claimed to be Jesus.

We know their economy is capitalist and that is not compatible with what Marx wrote.
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Old 20th November 2018, 09:34 PM   #2086
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‘K.

Good. Then we have established that you believe that the Chinese government is Marxist and that Charles Mason is Jesus. How soon can we expect you to go along with the whole Helter Skelter plan?
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Old 20th November 2018, 09:46 PM   #2087
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Oh dear....

I guess then that you are not going to talk about the million people in concentration camps?
I've said what needs said already on that topic, based on what's actually been presented, repeatedly. That you feel like ignoring that isn't a surprise, of course.
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Old 20th November 2018, 10:02 PM   #2088
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I am very impressed with the lengths people will go to actively ignore the fact that the Unyielding Marxist atheists in China have put in excess of a million human beings in concentration camps in order to crackdown on the exercise of their religious faith.

Oh wait, pointing that out makes the real victims of atheists and Marxists.

Gaze upon it folks, because one is unlikely to see that level of denial ever again.

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Old 21st November 2018, 12:16 AM   #2089
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Take it up with your fellow travelers who appears to believe in the dual nature of tyrants like Xi, the mean authoritarian side, and the pure atheist side.

Religious Authoritarianism? You better believe that is about the religion, boo religion!
Atheist Authoritarianism? All about the authoritarianism, shock horror at suggesting that pogroms like those going on today by Unyielding marxist Atheists have anything to do with atheism!

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/by the way, remind me to tell the League of Militant Atheists, or Xi's cadre of Unyielding Marxist Atheists or the several Official Atheist States that they don't have an ideology. I read it on the iSkep!
What is it about Iskep (?) that you say you have read? Another of your fanatical religious sources who blame all the world's ills on atheism?

The problem with RFCSP (Religious Fanatics in Charge of Sect Propaganda) is that they are not used to thinking too much. Too many sermons and catechisms are numbing, brother. So they believe that everything a short person does is because he is short. And all an atheist does is because he's an atheist.

Of course, with that way of thinking they end up voting for a certain Trump, even if he starts shooting on Fifth Avenue. That's all that it is.

We are speaking of China, are we not?
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Old 21st November 2018, 01:56 AM   #2090
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I am very impressed with the lengths people will go to actively ignore the fact that the Unyielding Marxist atheists in China have put in excess of a million human beings in concentration camps in order to crackdown on the exercise of their religious faith.
What lengths are these?


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Oh wait, pointing that out makes the real victims of atheists and Marxists.
Who, apart from yourself, has portrayed atheists and Marxists as victims?

This is not something you are "pointing out", this is something you are inventing.

I note that Doubt is attempting to have a reasoned and reasonable conversation with you, something you claimed you wanted.
Is this
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your idea of reasoned debate? Is this kind of discourteous evasiveness something you would like the rest of us to emulate? Can you really not do any better?
WWJD, TBD?
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Old 21st November 2018, 05:52 AM   #2091
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
I am very impressed with the lengths people will go to actively ignore the fact that the Unyielding Marxist atheists in China have put in excess of a million human beings in concentration camps in order to crackdown on the exercise of their religious faith.

Oh wait, pointing that out makes the real victims of atheists and Marxists.

Gaze upon it folks, because one is unlikely to see that level of denial ever again.

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Do do you actually care anything about human rights?

You have consistently failed to answer that one simple question, therefore I (and many other people) are not swayed by your often alleged concerns which you have constantly stated and that you have constantly failed validate.
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Old 21st November 2018, 07:09 AM   #2092
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post
Who, apart from yourself, has portrayed atheists and Marxists as victims?

...

I note that Doubt is attempting to have a reasoned and reasonable conversation with you,
Oh golly, many people, most recently the person who claimed that talking about a MILLION PEOPLE IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS was to "push the anti-atheist agenda favored by many of the USA's religious right."

Doubt is attempting to turn this thread which involves a MILLION PEOPLE IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS and more anti-religious pogroms into an economic debate about whether or not China is an "according to Hoyle" "true Marxist-man" which as I have pointed out is fallacious and a true red herring.
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Old 21st November 2018, 08:14 AM   #2093
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That is not to say that the Chinese are all that strong at Marxism.

Their Marxism game is weak, their Leninist game, pretty good... but their Stalinist Game? ALL WORLD

And knowing that they are pretty weak on Marxism, they make it up on the Anti-religious pogrom and suppression Atheist part: lets call it weak on defense but really strong on hitting.
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Old 21st November 2018, 09:27 AM   #2094
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Thread ain’t about marxism bruh.
So, is it about atheism, then?

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Old 21st November 2018, 09:28 AM   #2095
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That is not to say that the Chinese are all that strong at Marxism.

Their Marxism game is weak, their Leninist game, pretty good... but their Stalinist Game? ALL WORLD

And knowing that they are pretty weak on Marxism, they make it up on the Anti-religious pogrom and suppression Atheist part: lets call it weak on defense but really strong on hitting.
Ah, the specialist on China. How long did you study?

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Old 21st November 2018, 09:34 AM   #2096
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Ah, the specialist on China. How long did you study?

Hans
Great question!

After all, he talked extensively about the Hillary Clinton and now he is extensively talking about China.
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Old 21st November 2018, 09:49 AM   #2097
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Following a two-day review of China’s record in August, the U.N. Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination has said that up to 1 million Uyghurs could be currently held against their will and without trial in extra-legal detention, on the pretext of countering terrorism and religious extremism.

Rubio and Sen. Bob Menendez (D-N.J.), the ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, introduced the Uyghur Human Rights Policy Act in the Senate on Nov. 14. U.S. Rep Chris Smith, (R-N.J.), introduced the House version of the bill with lead Democratic co-sponsor Rep. Thomas Suozzi (D-N.Y.)

“The internment of over a million Uighurs and other Muslims in China is a staggering evil and should be treated by the international community as a crime against humanity,” said Smith. “The Chinese government’s creation of a vast system of what can only be called concentration camps cannot be tolerated in the 21st century.”
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Bi-partisan support for the Bill linked here. I urge you all to contact your representatives to support this Bill.
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Old 21st November 2018, 10:42 AM   #2098
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Bi-partisan support for the Bill linked here. I urge you all to contact your representatives to support this Bill.
My mistake!

Sorry about that! There was a mistake in my earlier posting, my apologies.

There is only 12 more days of this congressional term when both the House and the Senate will be session.

https://www.usetinc.org/wp-content/u...endar-2018.pdf

Therefore, save your crocodile tears for the new US Congress which be start its session in January 2019.

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Old 21st November 2018, 10:52 AM   #2099
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Congressional calendar:

https://www.rollcall.com/news/policy...-mid-term-year

I guess anti-religious types don't care about human rights or the truth.

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Old 21st November 2018, 10:56 AM   #2100
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Congressional calendar:

https://www.rollcall.com/news/policy...-mid-term-year

I guess anti-religious types don't care about human rights or the truth.

Contact your Representatives
Indeed so.

You have always been such a great example of human rights and the truth.
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Old 21st November 2018, 04:59 PM   #2101
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I point out gross false equivalence in post.
Get called a liar.
Points out that the post says even more appalling
Post after post calls me a liar.
Highlights the fact that the post literally says "even more appalling"
Poster "officially" edits the post to make it just an outrageous false equivalence, calls TBD a liar anyway.

Oh well, progress of a sort, I guess
Yup. As I thought, my post made absolutely no impact whatsoever.

My "editing" the post to clear a misunderstanding does in no way absolve you of lying, nor should it be interpreted as an admission that you are correct in any way.
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Old 21st November 2018, 07:17 PM   #2102
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Yup. As I thought, my post made absolutely no impact whatsoever.

My "editing" the post to clear a misunderstanding does in no way absolve you of lying, nor should it be interpreted as an admission that you are correct in any way.
Of course it didn't, it was a total embarrassment.

Misunderstanding? what a spectacular fraud.

"But the idea that you think that this is characteristic of atheism rather than an activity of the totalitarian government of China is even more appalling. "

Oh that total fraud "edited" his post two months later!

What a fraud.
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As predicted, my granting a concession completely failed to engender any reciprocity from The Big Dog. In fact, all it did was prompt ridicule. Obviously, this will be the last concession of any kind I give to The Big Dog.
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Old 22nd November 2018, 09:39 AM   #2104
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As predicted, my granting a concession completely failed to engender any reciprocity from The Big Dog. In fact, all it did was prompt ridicule. Obviously, this will be the last concession of any kind I give to The Big Dog.
Hi! Abandoning a spectacularly offensive and frivolous position only to assume a slightly less although still completely offensive and frivolous position is not a concession.

My suggestion is that one takes a "deep dive" into the concept of "false equivalence" and realize that comparing a post on the internet to putting a million people in concentration camps is never not a losing proposition suitable only for ridicule.

/although the threat of continuing to be wrong because TBD hurt my feels is hilarious

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Hi! Abandoning a spectacularly offensive and frivolous position only to assume a slightly less although still completely offensive and frivolous position is not a concession.
Nope. I'm out.

This time I hope I can resist coming back. You disgust me.
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Nope. I'm out.

This time I hope I can resist coming back. You disgust me.
Not just you.
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Curious tho that actual human rights violations perpetrated by Unyielding Marxist Atheists do not appear to “disgust” our intrepid correspondents.
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Old 23rd November 2018, 02:13 AM   #2109
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Congressional calendar:

https://www.rollcall.com/news/policy...-mid-term-year

I guess anti-religious types don't care about human rights or the truth.

Contact your Representatives
Who are those representatives? Leave the vicious cycle of your ultra-conservative Catholicism and collaborate with independent human rights organizations such as Amnesty International. That's what I do. That way you will fight for the human rights of everyone and not just those who command you these "representatives".
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Who are those representatives? Leave the vicious cycle of your ultra-conservative Catholicism and collaborate with independent human rights organizations such as Amnesty International. That's what I do. That way you will fight for the human rights of everyone and not just those who command you these "representatives".
W. T. F.

Representatives in Congress obviously, for Christ sake I linked to Congress’s calendar. I mean c’mon...

Unbelievable....
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W. T. F.

Representatives in Congress obviously, for Christ sake I linked to Congress’s calendar. I mean c’mon...

Unbelievable....
What representatives in congress?
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Curious tho that actual human rights violations perpetrated by Unyielding Marxist Atheists do not appear to “disgust” our intrepid correspondents.
They do, but this is obviously not the place to relate to them.

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W. T. F.

Representatives in Congress obviously, for Christ sake I linked to Congress’s calendar. I mean c’mon...

Unbelievable....
Has it occurred to you that those do not represent all of us?

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Beijing says it's 'very rude' for 14 countries and the EU to ask them about detaining 1 million Muslims

https://www.businessinsider.com/chin...cution-2018-11

Bit surprised that the anti religious zealots didn’t use the word disgusting, but I guess that is reserved for conduct worse than putting a million people in concentration camps.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Curious tho that actual human rights violations perpetrated by Unyielding Marxist Atheists do not appear to “disgust” our intrepid correspondents.
I don't know? I think homeopaths who make unsupported claims about the products they peddle should be thrown in jail so I don't see the problem with religious people being thrown in jail for making unsupported claims about the myths they are peddling to the people they are indoctrinating.
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Old 23rd November 2018, 07:07 PM   #2116
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Concentration camps will never lack for Unyielding Athiests to man the towers and the wire.

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Old 23rd November 2018, 08:20 PM   #2117
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Concentration camps will never lack for Unyielding Athiests to man the towers and the wire.
Where do I sign up?

How's the pay? I'd love to man a tower on the perimeter of a concentration camp for the sequestration of brain-rapists, but I won't do it pro bono.
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Old 24th November 2018, 01:28 AM   #2118
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Originally Posted by Cosmic Yak View Post

Who, apart from yourself, has portrayed atheists and Marxists as victims?

This is not something you are "pointing out", this is something you are inventing.
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Oh golly, many people, most recently the person who claimed that talking about a MILLION PEOPLE IN CONCENTRATION CAMPS was to "push the anti-atheist agenda favored by many of the USA's religious right."
No, and it's quite obvious what you've done.
This is the exchange, just to make it clear.

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But if he didn't, what would he be left with to troll the atheists with and push the anti-atheist agenda favored by many of the USA's religious right?
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Yeah, atheists are the victims here. Maybe the USA religious right got together with Xi to destroy churches, crack down on religious and put a million plus religious people in concentration camps as part of the, whomp whomp:

Anti-atheist agenda.

/ Oh man, just jaw dropping at this point.

The claim that atheists are victims, from Aridas, is that they are the victims of you and your incessant and false attempts to scapegoat all atheists for the wrongdoings of the Chinese government.
The only one conflating this with putting people in camps is you. No-one except you has claimed that your trolling and the oppression by the Chinese government are in any way equal.
If all you can do is argue against your own strawmen, you should perhaps rethink your premises.
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Originally Posted by arthwollipot View Post
As predicted, my granting a concession completely failed to engender any reciprocity from The Big Dog. In fact, all it did was prompt ridicule. Obviously, this will be the last concession of any kind I give to The Big Dog.
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Hi! Abandoning a spectacularly offensive and frivolous position only to assume a slightly less although still completely offensive and frivolous position is not a concession.

My suggestion is that one takes a "deep dive" into the concept of "false equivalence" and realize that comparing a post on the internet to putting a million people in concentration camps is never not a losing proposition suitable only for ridicule.

/although the threat of continuing to be wrong because TBD hurt my feels is hilarious
"Forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive those who trespass against us".

Who said that, TBD?

In which denomination of whatever religion you claim to be following is it taught that you should respond to slights with insults, not acknowledge concessions, and maintain an attitude of sneering and mockery?
Can I recommend Christianity to you? (Again). There are some pointers for behaviour you could benefit from.
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Originally Posted by The Big Dog View Post
Concentration camps will never lack for Unyielding Athiests to man the towers and the wire.
For those that care about facts, here's some historical background on concentration camps.
They were invented by the Spanish- Catholics.
Next used by the British- Protestant- and the US- Christians of various denominations.
The most infamous, in WW!!, were, of course, staffed by Protestant Germans and their Christian allies.
It is somewhat disingenious to claim that they are an atheist thing, or that atheists are somehoe queueing up to staff them.
But we knew that.
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