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Old 1st May 2018, 03:54 AM   #1
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26-story building collapses in Brazil due to fire

This is all I have so far:

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2018-05-0...llapse/9716978

Edit: There are already videos of the collapse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5sfiUUHKikA

There are 6 deaths according to some sources, and 8 according to others.

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Old 1st May 2018, 04:17 AM   #2
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Truthers claiming CD in 3...2...1...
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Old 1st May 2018, 04:24 AM   #3
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Originally Posted by Pinch View Post
Truthers claiming CD in 3...2...1...
We'll know as soon as the construction details are clear.
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Originally Posted by pgimeno View Post
We'll know as soon as the construction details are clear.

One comment posted three minutes ago:

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DEMOLICION CONTROLADA. ESTO ES TERRORISMO TRANSNACIONAL. Brasil 9/11 demolicion controlada por la CIA de tal forma de impedir las investigaciones de la participacion de MOSSAD en el atentado en EEUU bajo proteccion del extremista TRUMP! Saludos desde Oslo

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CONTROLLED DEMOLITION. THIS IS TRANSNATIONAL TERRORISM. Brazil 9/11 demolition controlled by the CIA in such a way as to prevent investigations of the participation of MOSSAD in the attack in the US under the protection of the extremist TRUMP! Greetings from Oslo
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Old 1st May 2018, 05:52 AM   #5
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One comment posted three minutes ago:
Spanish, though, not Portuguese. A Spaniard living in Norway thinks a building fire in Brazil is a conspiracy. I'm not sure it's actually notable to find somebody somewhere saying something stupid.
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The real conspiracy is all of these random, ramshackle buildings in far flung locations that are conspiring to defy physics just to make AE911Truth look like a bunch of kooks that don't know what they are talking about! Won't someone please think of AE911Truth and tell these buildings to stop defying physics just to spite them!?!
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
One comment posted three minutes ago:
1. What is "transnational terrorism"?
2. What's with twoofers and their obsession with linking EVERYTHING with the CIA & The MOSSAD Agency? This is getting really boring after a while.

Normal question: Have the CIA and the MOSSAD ever worked together with anything?

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CONTROLLED DEMOLITION. THIS IS TRANSNATIONAL TERRORISM. Brazil 9/11 demolition controlled by the CIA in such a way as to prevent investigations of the participation of MOSSAD in the attack in the US under the protection of the extremist TRUMP! Greetings from Oslo
Blabber that makes no sense. Google really needs to do something about GT...

Oh, and "Greetings From Oslo"? That's like saying:

Dear Rupert,

Your father has terminal cancer and only has 4 months to live.

Love,
Mom.

P.S.: Are you coming over for Christmas? Auntie Christine is going to make her famous Cranberry Cake!
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Originally Posted by theprestige View Post
I'm not sure it's actually notable to find somebody somewhere saying something stupid.


So, do you want to take bets on whether or not there are any more CTers posting there?

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Was it a steel framed high rise building? If yes, it was a truly historic and very rare event.
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The building starts caving in at the bottom and the rest just implodes in on itself. That's usually a tell sign.
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No doubt about Trump's involvement. Trump is a goddamn traitor.
Now I have to apply for a job !!
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Now check for molten steel pools in the rubble
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It did appear to collapse into its own footprint at freefall speed and created pyroclastic flows of smoke and dust.

From the rubble it looks like steel framing with reinforced concrete floors. Only going by the available pictures though and I am no engineer. News reports say one fatality which is sad but also remarkable.
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Old 1st May 2018, 08:05 AM   #10
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So, do you want to take bets on whether or not there are any more CTers posting there?
I consider it a most banal and predictable fact that CTers can easily be found posting somewhere, if one bothers to look.
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Old 1st May 2018, 01:39 PM   #11
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Another angle, with collected images:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrrnFuoQDjA

Another:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sn5hSnLK1To

Images of aftermath:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohw808ylwB0

But is it virtual free fall?
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I'm reading it was abandoned some years ago and occupied by squatters. CIA squatters!

p.s. were there any squibs? Ya gotta have squibs.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EjFwkHUomY
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So, no nutter has stepped forward to say that Planet X is behind it (I personally wouldn't be surprised)?
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Originally Posted by Horatius View Post
So, do you want to take bets on whether or not there are any more CTers posting there?

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Was it a steel framed high rise building? If yes, it was a truly historic and very rare event.
I actually agree on that one. Counting this one, it has happened about 6 times in history, 5 if we don't count the Windsor which was a partial collapse, and 4 if we don't count the Plasco either which was 15 stories high above ground and it may not be considered a high rise by some standards.

A different matter is why that bit of trivia is significant.

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A different matter is why that bit of trivia is significant.
Because everyone knows that fire effects steel diferant depending on height........
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Oh no ... thermite strikes again

That’s WTC7, Plasco and São Paulo. Can’t wait for the the Ae911truth report !!
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
Great one, thanks!

The perimeter columns were clearly steel, and some bowed:



Also, don't the pieces at the top (and possibly at the bottom) look like structural steel?


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They are already saying it's a conspiracy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kctKq1qlI2I

(so that developers can profit from reselling the land)
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So, no nutter has stepped forward to say that Planet X is behind it (I personally wouldn't be surprised)?
Presumably this is because, as the building has collapsed, we'd now be able to see Planet X.
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Originally Posted by pgimeno View Post
Great one, thanks!

The perimeter columns were clearly steel, and some bowed:

http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgim...-Perimeter.jpg

Also, don't the pieces at the top (and possibly at the bottom) look like structural steel?

http://www.formauri.es/personal/pgim...-Aftermath.jpg
I don't think the perimeter "columns" were structural.
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I don't think the perimeter "columns" were structural.
How else do you suggest the corners were held? That's too long a cantilever I'd say. There are no visible beams.
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They are already saying it's a conspiracy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kctKq1qlI2I

(so that developers can profit from reselling the land)
It wouldn't be the first time an abandoned building was set on fire to get it out of the way and/or collect insurance. Nor the first time one was accidentally set on fire by squatters, either.
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How else do you suggest the corners were held? That's too long a cantilever I'd say. There are no visible beams.
Invisible beams?
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Invisible beams?
I thought that was what they used to "dustify" the building.
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
Invisible beams?


Anyway, you have a point in that the column behind, the one that seems to be supporting the bulk of the load, doesn't look like a steel one.

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How else do you suggest the corners were held? That's too long a cantilever I'd say. There are no visible beams.
It looks like there was a large structural column about 10 from the corner, that's not too long for a cantilever.
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As usual these days, the best research on new technical issues related to 9/11 Truthism is again being done on Mick West's forum:
https://www.metabunk.org/s%C3%A3o-pa...uilding.t9684/
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Originally Posted by Oystein View Post
As usual these days, the best research on new technical issues related to 9/11 Truthism is again being done on Mick West's forum:
https://www.metabunk.org/s%C3%A3o-pa...uilding.t9684/
I would probably read it and perhaps even participate if it weren't for the privacy-unfriendly CloudFlare barrier.
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As usual these days, the best research on new technical issues related to 9/11 Truthism is again being done on Mick West's forum:
https://www.metabunk.org/s%C3%A3o-pa...uilding.t9684/
If only 9/11 Truth had such an intrepid research team
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Neighboring building across the street "may collapse any time now" - even though it was never hit by a plane...

https://noticias.uol.com.br/cotidian...-bombeiros.htm
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It wouldn't be the first time an abandoned building was set on fire to get it out of the way and/or collect insurance. Nor the first time one was accidentally set on fire by squatters, either.
The only problem is that the building was owned by the Federal Government, not a private person. It was abandoned several years ago probably due to structural problems. Sao Paulo's homeless-exploiting mafia of left wing movements proceeded then to promote the invasion of the building, charging each person some 100-200 dollars a month for basically nothing in return. But thats another story.
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Originally Posted by mopc View Post
Neighboring building across the street "may collapse any time now" - even though it was never hit by a plane...

https://noticias.uol.com.br/cotidian...-bombeiros.htm
Oh! Just in case it does, who was the engineer who predicted it?

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Aerial picture of collapsed highrise and second building across the street, partly destroyed Lutheran Church







I feel the reek of nanothermite in that melted steel in there!!!

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Aerial picture of collapsed highrise and second building across the street, partly destroyed Lutheran Church

https://i.imgur.com/BIF0LYD.png

https://i.imgur.com/vqPwfRU.png

https://i.imgur.com/gcwiEE9.png

I feel the reek of nanothermite in that melted steel in there!!!
Look at that smoke coming from the pile...........It's only a matter of time till they're pulling up molten steel............


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Look at that smoke coming from the pile...........It's only a matter of time till they're pulling up molten steel............



I was going to riff on all the guys who said there "wasn't enough debris".
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I don't think the perimeter "columns" were structural.
Yes, that building is concrete and steel, not steel and glass. You can tell by the large, round concrete column in between the two arrows. Those space-eating columns were the whole reason for the WTC's tube-in-tube design.
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To me, the exterior columns look too sturdy for not being structural, and too weak for being carrying a significant load.
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