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23rd January 2017, 06:39 PM | #601 |
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23rd January 2017, 06:54 PM | #602 |
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He still hasn't explained why any of it is relevant to what happened in Tehran. 10 pages of people chasing him down Rabbit holes and he is no closer to getting to the point.
Of course, when the objective is to keep the conversation spinning in circles instead of moving the project forward,... |
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23rd January 2017, 07:20 PM | #603 |
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I'd agree to settle on 15.5
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23rd January 2017, 07:35 PM | #604 |
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Wow, 16 pages?
Okay, if you're just tuning in: A&E911 Truth: "No steel framed building as ever collapsed due to fire. Plasco Building: "Hold my beer" A&E911 Truth: Inside job/CD/didn't happen the way it happened. Now you're caught up. Carry on. |
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23rd January 2017, 07:44 PM | #606 |
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It is about important as ae911t lies born in ignornace. The claims of CD by ae911t are not important, the number of floors is not important. WTC 7 unprecedented BS claim by NIST was about thermal expansion... not about number of floors. BTW, 9/11 truth can't do math, so the number of floors is not needed for ae911t to spread lies of CD and some insane inside job.
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23rd January 2017, 08:12 PM | #607 |
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You see, once a building becomes a "high-rise", a team of fairies flutter over it, wafting fairy dust which makes it invulnerable to collapse from fire. Since a building only becomes a high-rise when its over 15 storeys, buildings of 14 or 15 should be absolutely prohibited as a public safety measure. (Nobody would ever build a 13 storey; it's unlucky.) Can Truther discussion get even sillier than this? |
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23rd January 2017, 09:22 PM | #611 |
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Maybe you in return could explain how back-blast from demolition charges wouldn't blow out every window? (We can deal with the lack of sound later.)
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24th January 2017, 01:25 AM | #612 |
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Directional expulsions are generally due to directional blasts, not from something which would be generating equal pressure on all sides.
The likelihood that omnidirectional overpressures inside the building would emanate in a focused way from a single area, and not at least blow out numerous windows on a given floor, is extremely low. Another problem for your theory is the back of the building started coming down first, so it could not have been a simple pancaking event, like you are speculating, with dropping floor slabs generating an overpressure. The back coming down first also causes problems for your weakest window theory, as there were expulsions on the other faces after the back of the building had already started falling. |
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Therefore, CD.
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24th January 2017, 01:54 AM | #614 |
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Whether a floor dropped symmetrically or not doesn't seem to me to change the fact that the volume of air under it has to get out of its way quickly. This just looks like bluster to me.
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24th January 2017, 02:10 AM | #615 |
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The air would get out of the way quickly, in all directions, if it were due to a floor slab falling onto another.
The likelihood of this omin-directional overpressure then only blowing out one window on a floor with about 40 of them is extremely unlikely and points to something else generating a directional blast. |
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24th January 2017, 02:18 AM | #617 |
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Was it only one window? Was it (were they) already broken?
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24th January 2017, 02:54 AM | #618 |
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The air would be ejected down through stairwells, elevator shafts, windows, air vents, etc. Which side of the building did the collapse sequence begin? In the following video, beginning at timeline; 0:04, you can follow the internal collapse of the floors by observing the ejections of compressed air. At timeline 1:29, do you see the sky through the windows as the building tilts? The Collapse Video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov9Q9RME4PM . |
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24th January 2017, 03:24 AM | #620 |
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The first clip in that compilation (the one where the guy flings his arms up in despair) is the only one i've seen showing the East side of the tower and the mall. That's the side which Old Coarse Guy is currently excited about due to the damage (?) shown at the base of the tower in an aerial photo. Unfortunately there are tree branches partly obscuring it and the camera zooms in after a fraction of a second. If there was a little more preceding that footage, showing the building before the collapse started, that might be interesting to see.
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24th January 2017, 03:36 AM | #621 |
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Air is a compressible fluid and will follow the path of least resistance, to movement.
The air flows direction will be determined by the way the waves and Containment dirrect it, as well as any heating from combusting soot in the collapses. Why should carbon soot fuel air blasts even be the least relevant when it is known that combustible gasez, as well as highly combustible black carbons are being produced in the fire? When can we send you a ticket too Iran so you can take it up with the Iranian Supreme leader himself? Someone please quote this to make sure Tony sees it. |
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Get aboard the merry-go-round for *********** idiots.............
Tehran Plasco Building Collapse: Explosives Must Be Investigated https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_MgJTa7SDaY From ae911truth :-
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You're assuming, as always, a vastly over-simplified scenario. If a floor descends, perfectly level and undamaged, upon another floor, then equal pressure on all sides might be expected. Any departure from that impossible ideal - for example, any deformation or breakage of the floor as it falls, which is in effect inevitable, or even the existence of internal walls which will perturb the movement of air as they collapse - will lead to pressure differentials from place to place, and wherever the highest pressure finds a weak enough window there'll be a local failure.
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24th January 2017, 06:49 AM | #629 |
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Which in turn will relieve the pressure, making less likely for adjacent windows to blow.
By contrast, when an explosive blows windows, the shock wave usually blows several windows at a time. Therefore, the lack of other windows blown is actually an indication that no explosives were involved. |
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Sure it would
IF the slab came down horizontally and not tilted in any way
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24th January 2017, 11:54 AM | #635 |
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I have been offline for 2 weeks.
Has Tony yet explained why there are no awesomely, insanely loud BANG!! BANG!! BANG!! BANG!! BANG!! BANG!! sounds immediately prior to collapse onset, even in the videos taken danerously close to the collapsing building? |
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24th January 2017, 11:58 AM | #636 |
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You don't get it! The evil perps installed silent explosives suc hthat their blasts were directed at the open windows because ... uhm ... reasons so evil we couldn't fathom them!
Also, just to confuse you, they made the blasts blow steadily, for extra dramatic effect! |
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24th January 2017, 12:30 PM | #637 |
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Why am I picturing now AE911T staffers huddled in a basement with ears plugs and eyes closed now?
Mass psychosis, leading to feverish alternate fact fabrication. |
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24th January 2017, 01:51 PM | #638 |
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Tony,
you are certainly aware of AE911Truth's standard bulleted list of WTC collapse "features" that allegedly indicate explosive demolition. Do they get anything wrong there? You probably looked at their 2017 AIA resolution proposal - some 16 or so "WHEREAS" clauses. Are they all correct and relevant, or did you spot anything wrong in them? If you spotted anything wrong - doesn't it make you less confident that what else they are telling you is right? If you spotted nothing wrong - then perhaps you are game discussing the veracity of their claims in a 1-on-1 setting at this other forum? |
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24th January 2017, 01:53 PM | #639 |
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his entire thread is so typical of JREF. There is one side that will say it is controlled demolition and another side saying there was absolutely no controlled demolition. What is for sure is that nobody on this forum has the full set of facts yet that does prevent the posting of opinions as facts. This thread was started on the 19th of January and lines were already drawn.
The fact that Debunkers were ridiculing CD people or that CD people were slamming the Debunkers so quickly shows a complete lack of self discipline and the lack of desire to obtain facts. This demonstration illustrates the sophomoric reasoning within both camps and completely destroys credibility. |
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