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24th January 2017, 02:10 PM | #641 |
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I agree that this is indeed quite an indication of strong bias.
However, eventually it was "admitted", wasn't it. Have you, after 8 pages, finally "admitted" that it really doesn't matter if the building has 14, 15 or 17 storeys, and that it really matters not if Sunder's cut-off hight for "unprecedented highrise collapse" was chosen as 14, 15 or 17 storeys? Have you "admitted" yet that the WTC collapses are still "unprecedented" as 15+ storey highrise collapses even if post-9/11 hundreds of 16+ storey highrises had collapsed solely due to fire? (Scare-quotes around "admitted" because it is such a loaded buzz-word in Truther-speak. I "admit" however that it is properly used in the current context) |
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Spot on.
We have patently obvious severe fire on multiple floors. We know from a century of fire science tgat heat damages steel and can cause structural failures. We have no evidence that explosives were in the building. Yet with these very same knowns, some people make up a fiction about explosive demolitions based solely on an agenda driven interpretation of what the collapse "looked like". |
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The OP is wrong. It states 17 storeys. After 8 pages people here eventually realised and admitted that. You can't even agree amongst yourselves how many storeys the building had. Skip back 2 or 3 pages, and look.
What chance do you people have of engaging in any kind of debate re this building when it takes 8 pages for you to admit that the building was not 17 storeys, and even at that you still cannot agree. Anyone here still agree with the CTBUH that this building had 17 storeys above ground ? |
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It has 15 storeys above ground, as best as I can count.
(Note that I never thought or said otherwise) So what? Why does it matter that the OP has copied a number that is slightly off? I agree it matters that some people here are difficult to convince that some innocent mistake has been copied when you want to continue discussing with these people. But still, that's a detail that doesn't matter - why spend days circling around this unimportant detail, if your intention is not to bog down discussion of Conspiracy Theories and nonsense claims of explosive demolition? |
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I actually came in here to discuss what may or may not have caused the building to collapse. Given that it took 8 pages to establish how many storeys it had, I took that debate elsewhere and it moved on at speed. I will follow this thread with interest though.
So far DGM has said that the height and storey count has no relevance whatsoever, and others have disagreed with him. This clearly is not a place for a constructive debate, but is nevertheless, highly entertaining when it takes you 8 pages to establish how many storeys the building has. ETA I should have added that the height and the storey count was something that i wanted to use the internal pictures of the vendors in the building (the material seller etc) to try to ascertain the thickness of the floor system. Do you think that is relevant or not ? |
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Maybe we can find a compromise?
https://xkcd.com/690/ I wish to propose for the reader’s favorable consideration a doctrine which may, I fear, appear wildly paradoxical and subversive. The doctrine is this: that it is undesirable to believe a proposition when there is no ground whatever for supposing it true.Bertrand Russell, On the Value of Scepticism (1928). "Fire did it" has quite some ground to be believed: there was fire; fire is known to weaken steel; fire is known to bring buildings down. What ground is there to suppose it was anything else? Be it midgets with saws, fairy dust, explosives, Mothra or alien beams? |
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Look guys, in all sincerity. As I said, I moved past this point by the time we were 2 pages in here, and I did it elsewhere. I will follow this thread, but myself and others see your forum for what it is. Or rather what it is not.
Just not a place for an open and constructive discussion, but more an invitation to wade through treacle and partake in a point scoring exercise. |
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It's relative. There's a half-floor that may count as one or not, we don't know. And the penthouse level may be counted as one or not. Depending on how you count, it may be 15, 16, or 17 above ground (and even up to 19 if you count the basement levels).
It's no surprise there's disagreement, as it's unclear what the sources' definition of a level/floor/storey is. |
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Is the floor thickness important ?
Remember you are the guy who said who the height and storey count was not relevant. ETA, I am not here for your attention. I initially came here because I thought that there was a chance that maybe some of you had managed to get details on this building that I was looking for. It is a shame that we couldn't have the discussion here. |
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Yes, I have had an initial response from the CTBUH on this and am awaiting their further clarification as to where they got their data from, which they no doubt should revise.
ETA, And to be fair, I think that you are the one person on here who assisted me in moving forward. Thank you for that. |
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Could it be this was a false flag incident?
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That was why i said I was willing to agree to anything, because i knew ultimately you would not say anything.
You buried this thread in ten pages of ******** and now are trying to blame us. there was no chance it was ever going to be different. truthers is as truthers does. |
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DGM, I came here with the intent of having a constructive discussion and learning something about the building and maybe imparting some of what I know, and would learn in the process. If you want to do that, feel free to engage me. Until then though, we're done, apart from confrontation, which you seem set on.
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Well, not according to how the CTBUH sets out it's criteria for reaching these values, which is what I have requested they clarify. By their own standard the building should be at least 17m or so taller, maybe more if it was indeed 17 storeys above ground as they say (which it clearly is not).
Given that this was lauded as Tehran's tallest building when completed, I am surprised that I have not been able to find a book or a publicly available record from back then which states this explicitly. Hence my request to them. |
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