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31st January 2017, 04:59 PM | #2321 |
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I have to admit no, I really don't see what you're referring to. There are better quality views of the East wall in the video you recently posted:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50eOzUHZkP8 Can you see your two lines in that footage? If so can you tell us where to look and exactly what to look for? |
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Okay, fair enough. Like I said - my eyes aren't what they used to be.
I will maybe take a look at the opposite side instead. Do you remember when you guys attributed the corner damage and debris on the canopy area to stuff falling out the building? Someone pointed out that there was a distinct line of damage up the east face. I'm sure you remember that don't you ? |
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As best I recall without looking back, the claim was not exactly that there was a line of damage up the East face, rather it was that floors had collapsed on the North and one visible sign of it from the East was that the last three windows on the right hand side of several floors were dark because they had been smashed and there was just a void behind them.
I think that was just after I had speculated that the debris on the canopy might be stuff that had fallen from the wall of the building above. But debris bursting out of the wall from an internal collapse made more sense. |
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Fire did it. The video goal was? No goal, no clue? Do you have a theory...
BTW, the going theory is fire did it. You seem to be behind on the facts and evidence, as you gish gallop and quibble about BS. Will you be doing an FEA - after 544 posts, no convergence on a reason, no goal, nothingness continues. What is the purpose? |
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Beachnut has a very nice photograph of steel beams draped over charred wooden beams. It demonstrates perfectly how steel loses strength in fire.
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You're quite right, the canopy was pushed away, cut back as well in that photo that Gamolon found of the firemen about 35-40 feet North of where it looked like there was a big hole in the ground yes.
Can't find the pic now - but it was just up from here wasn't it - NB I am not saying that this was the hole obviously. Would have been noticeable that Untitled-1.jpg Even I would have noticed that one. ETA - Look - there's that core column again ! |
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As for how serious, again, 1/3 of the building from floor 10 down, according to the reports.
As for load bearing elements, depends on what you call major, but it seems clear that the northern girders were gone with the floors. That creates a very large span without lateral support, thus a big instability in the north side. |
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So there should be lots of video evidence for that then.
You seen any? Got a link for it ? I do remember hearing about it, damage and the building shaking before it came down, but the only evidence I saw for internal damage pre collapse was the fire fighters needing rescued from the mid level floors on the west side. What about you ? ETA And the bit about spans - that's highly speculative. |
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How unusual is it for a steel framed building to collapse, given that it has been ablaze for several hours?
By which I mean; among the set of steel framed buildings which have been ablaze for several hours, how small a proportion actually collapse? I think fire managed to do it because I know that heat weakens steel. We have established to my satisfaction that floors collapsed, but since I have absolutely no information regarding the construction of the floors nor how they were supported I'm going to have to leave it to the real investigators to say exactly how support failed. What we seem to have here is equivalent to a murder mystery, where everyone saw video of the victim being savagely beaten until eventually collapsing, and most people think there's no mystery at all. Yet some self-appointed detectives are adamant that the body should be tested for exotic poisons because the beating might just be a cover for the real cause of death. They say there are no previous cases of a man over six feet one and a half, wearing steel framed spectacles (with red hair, six fingers on his left hand and who owned a terrier called Rupert) dying from a prolonged beating. Except for the ones who did, but the detectives have always insisted those were actually killed with curare by a concealed ninja with a blowpipe, because reasons. |
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Very. NIST said unprecedented for a steel framed building over 15 storeys.
That was back in 2008 though. Any others since ? And re the column, just saying - it sticks out a lot and it's big. I wonder what that hole was for - you any idea ? ETA I just noticed that big hole in the mall at the 3rd from top level too. |
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Here's how the 'fire did it' theory works:
Fire did it. One major bonus of this theory: it entirely removes the need for comically ill-suited UHF explosive packs that neither you nor anyone else has yet to provide evidence for. Short refresher on how scientific method works: 1) Propose hypothesis 2) Test hypothesis Let's start with you proposing a hypothesis that we can then 'test' the evidence against. Rather than spending 20 pages at a time on details that may or may not be relevant to anything and with no frame of reference as to significance since they are not being considered for consistency with a proposed hypothesis. |
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Much seems to escape your attention in this thread. For example, did you not see earlier today this photo posted by Gamolon?
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/f...pszmocscab.jpg Oh, no, wait: you did see it, because you replied in post#2219 to tell us it was the West face of the building, as we already knew. The relevant detail is not the annotation but rather the windows at the lower left. Specifically you can see that you can look in through a West window of the 12th floor and see straight out through the North window of level 13. The floor on level 13 has gone. Likewise below, you can look in through 11 and out of 12. The floor on 12 has gone too. |
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Is that footing there with the rebar comin out of it a different one to what we were looking at earlier ? Looks very small in comparison. Can anyone help me place it ?
[quote=Jack by the hedge;11696493] Sorry. I keep asking you guys stuff eh. |
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Not from that video, no. But I think the correct video is the one you posted to Beachnut.
If so, then it seems to me that this would be the column you're referring to (assuming that the upper structure extends to the ground level). Can you please confirm? And then explain what about it? |
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http://www.ae911truth.org/images/PDF...01_20_2017.pdf
Wow, ae911t liars and nuts have got some "facts" wrong as they make up more fake news to go with their 10 Big Lies. |
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You're still defiantly missing the point: How unusual is it for steel framed buildings over 15 storeys to be ablaze for several hours?
Call that probability A. How unusual is it for a building in that situation to collapse? Call that probability B. So the point is that probability A is very low. Very tall buildings, ablaze for hours, are really rare. And probability A x B is lower still - NIST called it unprecedented. But that doesn't mean that probability B is low. So, given that we know 100% for a fact that condition A is met for the Plasco building, the chance of its collapsing is just probability B. But you keep talking about A x B. And that's why you are wasting time galloping around chasing imaginary imperceptible CD technologies. |
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