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22nd January 2017, 05:57 PM | #241 |
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It matters because NIST clearly stated (despite your denials) that they were not aware of a building over 15 storey collapsing primarily due to fire. If it didn't matter then why would you have tried to dispute that he said it?
If it didn't matter, then why did Shyam say it ? |
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I disputed he said that because I thought he didn't say that. I have no idea what that number of floors matters for. 15 is an arbitrary number. When it comes to the effects fires has on buildings, there is no magic that separates buildings higher than 15 floors sharply from buildings lower than 15 floors.
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Again, this mantra is the core and foundation of your the ongoing utter failure of you last eight years.
No. Not all details matter. Only the details that matter matter. All the others are a distraction and waste of time. You need to present reasons for why those details matter that you say matter. You don't. You just say so. Saying so doesn't make it so. When will you ever learn, Tony? |
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It's 17 above ground and that still makes no difference. Defining anything as high rise or not high rise is an arbitrary definition which makes no difference at all to anything useful.
If you think it does, what would you do if we decided to redefine "high-rise" as 5+ floors? What difference would that make? None. |
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NO. It is all about attention to detail, like when Sunder nearly says 17 storeys and corrects the detail to being 15 @ 32s in this video.
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What's the significance? If it's 14 it will collapse but add 3 floors and it won't.
Clutching at straws but still drowning. |
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Because this is what Shyam Sunder and NIST stated. If you want to ask NIST about why they stated this specific detail you can email them at
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This appears to be a perspective fail.
Take this picture attached... From the top, one can count 11 floors, but the lower floors are obscured. Continue your count with the 4 storey orange foreground building and you reach 15. This works for just as long as you can pretend perspective does not exist. |
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It matters to all the printed marketing collateral.
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"unprecedented" in the sense of what Shyam Sunder says applies to buildings that are "over 15 storeys". That is why he stated it. Whether this building falls into this category is not yet established. Certainly most Iranian media produce a result stating 15 storeys when searched in their native language.
This means that Shyam Sunder's statement of WTC7 being unprecedented still stands. |
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You know, I am really smelling the AE911T panic with this Plasco collapse. First they double down on the dumb by declaring it CD, then they start grasping for straws regarding the height of the buikding.
Face it, Tony. Steel frame buildings can collapse from a fire. I know this bursts your, any many others, bubble. But all that bubble is doing is keeping out reality. Embrace it as a shining light entering your life. |
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I am smelling a bunch of individuals on this forum jumping to conclusions on the Plasco building collapse because it fits a narrative they want to believe with WTC 7. It has nothing to do with reality.
I think I am going to see what investigatory details emerge on the Plasco collapse and do some analysis on my own before coming to a conclusion. There are violent and somewhat focused expulsions emanating from the Plasco building right before and during the collapse which do not immediately lends themselves to natural means. |
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No, Shyam Sunder is the one who thinks that it is significant, hence you can hear him say it in this video here around 32s.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IkiLxdn-5Q I gave you the email - if you are worried about the significance, ask NIST, they stated it |
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Speaking of details, which photo depicts the Plasco tower rubble? Photo 1 http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/evid.../docs/b7_2.jpg Photo 2 https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/...trip=all&w=800 . |
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Well, do you know which buildings Shyam was referring to when he corrected himself from saying 17 to 15 storeys?
Nobody is dodging anything, but you seem to be making comparisons between 2 buildings here because you want to make the comparison, not because the comparison is fair. |
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